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Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby FreeSpeech » Jan 26th, '11, 09:00

I'm halfway through Liar & a Thief right now. I'm enjoying it, but every song's flow is pretty much the same. He has the same couple multi patterns over and over. I'm just wondering if he switches it up on any of his other stuff, I'm not too aquainted with his catalog.

Riot's chorus is so sick though :y:
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby Satire » Jan 26th, '11, 09:40

When you have sentences that rhyme fully with other sentences you don't have much choices of flow to switch up to.

Multi rhyme-schemes tend to sound familiar alot, atleast to me.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby FreeSpeech » Jan 26th, '11, 09:46

Satire wrote:When you have sentences that rhyme fully with other sentences you don't have much choices of flow to switch up to.

Multi rhyme-schemes tend to sound familiar alot, atleast to me.

No...you can completely switch up flows, it has nothing to do with your multis.
Just look at all of Em's songs, he is the master of switching up his flows.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby Satire » Jan 26th, '11, 09:47

FreeSpeech wrote:
Satire wrote:When you have sentences that rhyme fully with other sentences you don't have much choices of flow to switch up to.

Multi rhyme-schemes tend to sound familiar alot, atleast to me.

No...you can completely switch up flows, it has nothing to do with your multis.
Just look at all of Em's songs, he is the master of switching up his flows.


It has ALOT to do with your multis. Where you put your in/end-rhymes is essentially your rhythm. Em isn't the same as Diabolic because Em knows when to drop & switch around the rhyme scheme to switch his flow, but Diabolic goes for using the same multis in same spots (Uhh, everywhere) in every sentence, so yes, he tends to sound the same.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby FreeSpeech » Jan 26th, '11, 09:50

Ummmm not sure what you think you're trying to say. Of course you can change a flow even if whole sentences rhyme, it's all about inflection, speed variation, etc.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby mdemaz » Jan 26th, '11, 10:01

I dunno..It's hard to tell really.

It would depend on what you mean by "change."
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby Satire » Jan 26th, '11, 10:05

FreeSpeech wrote:Ummmm not sure what you think you're trying to say. Of course you can change a flow even if whole sentences rhyme, it's all about inflection, speed variation, etc.


It has ALOT to do with your multis. Where you put your in/end-rhymes is essentially your rhythm. Em isn't the same as Diabolic because Em knows when to drop & switch around the rhyme scheme to switch his flow, but Diabolic goes for using the same multis in same spots (Uhh, everywhere) in every sentence, so yes, he tends to sound the same.


It's the same reason RA The Rugged Man sounds robotic every time he overdoses on in-rhymes. Yes, it can vary with speed, but what do you want him to do? Double time?

People describe flow as "It's how you say it" but it's not as simple as that. If you've actually written and stayed on beat, you'd know that what you write builds your flow.

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Deliver that any way you want, that shit is going to generally sound the same way it does.
Why? Because he always goes for the exact same type of end-rhymes in the exact same spots in every line.

To change the flow you have to subtract/add syllables and "inflict" the bar differently. He's putting emphasis on every multi-rhyme, so he doesn't have the time to add syllables unless he wants to go off beat. If he were to subtract syllables, he wouldn't have the same amount of multis. Get it? If he didn't have this style, his flow would be alot more versatile.

But on the real, does it really matter? He's mastered the flow that he has, it works for him, and his most appealing feature is his rhyming.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby VenomBlackViper » Jan 26th, '11, 12:45

His flow is dope, like Satire said he's mastered it & it works for him, he switches it here and there on a couple songs but for the most part it's that same dope ass flow & i'd rather he keep something that works for him rather than try different shit and have it suck. Eminems flow switches cuz he has different styles (Slim Shady, Angry, Deep & depressed, Battle rhymer) and how he flows to the beat.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby Sekou » Jan 26th, '11, 15:24

Does Diabolic change his flow much?
No.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Jan 26th, '11, 18:44

Diabolics flow is dope,but yes like every other underground rapper with major emphasis on multies it may sound robotic and repetitve.

hence why Em is amazing at cramming every aspect toghether.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby classthe_king » Jan 26th, '11, 20:37

Does it really matter? That album is a classic.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby FreeSpeech » Jan 26th, '11, 20:47

classthe_king wrote:Does it really matter? That album is a classic.

It's a very dope album, but "classic" gets thrown around way too much IMO. But anyways, I really enjoy his flow, I can just see it getting repetitive. Kinda hurts his replayability. I was just curious if he has any songs where he switches it up.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby classthe_king » Jan 26th, '11, 20:53

Classic does not get thrown around by me, I've called maybe 5 albums a classic, Liar & A Thief is one of them.
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby FreeSpeech » Jan 26th, '11, 20:56

classthe_king wrote:Classic does not get thrown around by me, I've called maybe 5 albums a classic, Liar & A Thief is one of them.

:y: True, it's all opinion anyway. I think MBDTF is a classic and tons of people whine about that. What are some good Diabolic songs that aren't on the album?
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Re: Does Diabolic change his flow much?

Postby classthe_king » Jan 26th, '11, 21:01

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