Except that's one part of being a lyricist so fail, and not everyone focuses on rhyme schemes. He's good at rhymes but fails at metaphorical/simile punchlines, and double entendres.
I think it's safe to say that for MOST people (dipshit rap fans not included), the term "lyricism" refers to the poignancy of how someone says something. It's about the ability to convey meaning in an articulate, vivid/detailed, and moving manner. Rhyme schemes have an affect on this. Stupid, forced punchlines are not. You don't see musicians in other genres writing "It's so serious every time I write my John Hancock/Like, you could damn near see Detroit." Why not? Because it's fucking stupid.
Punchlines make for nice filler. The problem is, you're heavily evaluating the quality of rappers based on their filler.
Already did Lupe Fiasco, Nas, Aesop Rock, even Jay z.
Except they don't. Not even fucking close. I can see all their rhymes upon one look and it's over. Generally speaking, it's all A-to-A, "here's the end of the bar and there's your rhyme, whether it's a multi or not" type shit. If there's a multi, great. Nas has some great multis, in particular. If there isn't, it's not there.
If you come across an 02-and-prior Eminem line and you don't see a multi, keep looking. There's something there you're not seeing. He thinks about every word. Jay-Z doesn't even write his shit down, so it's not surprising his rhymes are far less detailed. Aesop Rock hardly even uses multis...he just scatters mediocre rhymes in awkward spots. Lupe spends 99% of his time trying to "write around" what it is he's trying to say so that he can make it look more "complex."
Burden of proof is on you buddy to prove it.
I
am proving it.
I'm a racist, irony at it's finest.
How so? I'm not racist.
You, on the other hand, just revealed you think the same way as all the other racist imbeciles who make a point of downplaying Eminem's greatness because they subconsciously are afraid of saying a white guy is the greatest ever in a form of music that is predominantly black. What does that say about the intelligence and competence of blacks, they think. The white guy is out-numbered 10,000 to 1 yet he's better than all of them. They're afraid that if they acknowledge he's the best in this craft, the broader implications are that black people are therefore inferior.
What they don't even realize is the white guy who makes it to that level in a black art form HAD to be better. He's not better because his race is superior; he's better because he had to put in so much effort honing his craft in order to get noticed and not be booed off the stage.
You're the one bitching about people not accepting him because he's white, acusing other people as racist with no proof whatsoever so fail. And if you really think him being white had no part in being as big as he is today than you are fucking stupid.
You can't even stay on point.
"As big as he is today"...again with the obvious reference to "sales" and "popularity," as though that has anything to do with my argument as to why he's the greatest. You see, THIS is "straw man argumentation." It's funny. I had you pegged with my remark about racial self-consciousness being the driving force behind your, "there are black rappers who are better" remarks. You, on the other hand, assumed I was the type of opponent who would argue "record sales" when discussing Eminem. But I'm not. This isn't the match up you seem to think it is.
I know what it is but thanks for trying to poison the well.
If you know what one is you probably wouldn't have even brought it up. Like I said, metaphors are extremely rare in rap music...to the point of not even really deserving mention when discussing the best rappers.
Sort of like you choose to focus on Eminem being the best lyricist because of his rhyme scheme, and than accuse me of being selective. Fucking hypocrite.
When you can say something in a poignant manner with a sophisticated rhyme scheme, that's impressive.
When you're spewing a bunch of punchlines, not so much.
I think that's how most people feel, anyway. The whole, "who has the best punchlines?" question only comes up among rap fans. Some rappers don't even do punchlines...ever. They focus on what most people refer to as, "lyricism."
So again no argument but stupid assertions, and yes Eminem fails at punchlines be mad but don't try to discredit them cause they are every bit as valid as multies.
Except they're not. There are some lyricists in other genres who use multis. Multis have an effect on the song sonically. They have an effect on word choice. They affect the entire structure of what you write, but if you have mastered the craft, you can make what you are saying lyrically resonate more. Everything is more cohesive.
On the other hand, nobody outside of rap is using punchlines. People who aren't rap fans look at punchlines and roll their eyes...especially because the vast majority of those used in rap are just literal interpretations of idioms and see-spot-run breakdowns of double-entendres. They're like the equivalent to a comedian explaining his own joke. It's like undoing the work others put in in coming up with the expression in the first place.
And ultimately, once you've heard the punchline once and it has resonated with you, the impact is over. Now the song can be placed into the dreaded "no replay value" category.
Yes Nas is far more verstaile, telling a story from the perspective of a gun, a roach, backwards.
And yet he can't do that and rhyme the same way he does in other songs. Nas may be a slightly more creative CONCEPTUALIST, but the execution of his stories isn't better than Eminem's.
And Ghostface emphasizes more on the emotion which makes his stories seem like conversations. Gihad, Impossible.
Biggie all I really have to do is point to N.i.g.g.a.'s bleed.
Again, I'll just point to execution. You know why it's easy to make a video of "Kim" (and it's been done many times on Youtube)? Because Eminem painted a vivid picture.
Good luck making videos for these songs.
And what with you're fetish for rhyme schemes, if you're judging a rapper solely on rhyme schemes than Eminem is good at that yeah, but fails in other aspects.
He doesn't fail in any aspect of rap other than freestyling. Old Eminem could come up with adequate punchlines...not that I really care. Moreover, he had the benefit of his overall wit to craft entertaining filler, even if he wasn't making you go, "Oh, IIIII gettt ittt" with some double entendre/simile.
Because you were insinuating Eminem has deep thought provoking lyrics which is obviously false. Yeah he has substance but in terms of going over your head than no, Eminem's songs are all pretty easy to understand the first time around. So keep failing buddy.
No, I was talking about how he crafts his lyrics.
But as far as going over people's heads...um...all the controversy he has caused for people who didn't understand his songs ring a bell? Obviously, he went over plenty of idiots' heads. "Criminal" made the exact opposite point of the one people extrapolated from it.
Concesion accepted, all you did this whole post was make blatant strawmans, and assertions without any proof. So good job. I'm still wating for an Eminem song as thought provoking as complex as dumb it down, btw.
Dumb It Down is an example of why Lupe is unlistenable. It's only "thought-provoking" because people are trying to break down his "references." That's not good lyricism, it's just pretentious, faux-intellectual blathering.
They said they need proof like a vestless chest
They need "proof"...short for "bulletproof," I guess. Horrible line.
Something really stinks, but I Spinks like Leon
The Sphinx is missing a nose, so he can't smell it. Course, why is he even mentioning that "something really stinks" in the first place? Oh, I'll tell you why--because he's forcing a spot for a punchline. And of course, he can't just do that...he has to say, "I Spinks, like Leon"...to refer to the boxer in the lame, generic punchline style we've all grown accustomed to.
Just a couple examples of "dud lines" in this supposedly "amazing" song.
Eminem has countless songs more thought-provoking than that.
