Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

[Iris]

Nowadays it's true to say Eminem isn't the best

Yea but saying * > Eminem is.......

[BigBangBazinga]

Nowadays it's true to say Eminem isn't the best

So your opinion is "true"? lmao

[xxTrigger1989xx]

The spokesman speaks! He said it's the truth to say Eminem is not the best! Stop the fucking presses

[classthe_king]

Nowadays it's true to say Eminem isn't the best

Yea but saying * > Eminem is.......

That was a joke

[MikeNUFC]

Let's end this once and for all...

1. Eminem in his prime was one of the best to ever do it. Pretty much undeniable. The best? Arguable, but I'd definitely say so myself. He pretty much had it all, I can't believe Zu said that you'd be stupid to say he's one of the best.

2. To say multies is only what he's great for is ridiculous as well. Imagery, word choice, storytelling, concepts, variety, wit, humour, satire - master of all. Add effortless multies to that and you have someone who was ridiculously good.

3. Best right now? Not even close, Black Thought, Copy, Hopsin, Nas, Lowkey and a bunch of other underground rappers are all wayyy ahead of him. He's still good, just not that good.

4. What's the point of being on a discussion board if, when you're in a discussion, you go "it's just my opinion. It cant be wrong"? Back it up, keep debating. The whole 'it's my opinion' thing is so annoying, it's just a cop-out when you can't back up your point. People dont give a shit about others saying "my opinion" cus it just annoying and kills any debate.

And opinions can't be wrong? Okay, in my opinion, they can be wrong. What do you say to that? That's a bit of a mind-fuck, right?

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Let's end this once and for all...

1. Eminem in his prime was one of the best to ever do it. Pretty much undeniable. The best? Arguable, but I'd definitely say so myself. He pretty much had it all, I can't believe Zu said that you'd be stupid to say he's one of the best.

2. To say multies is only what he's great for is ridiculous as well. Imagery, word choice, storytelling, concepts, variety, wit, humour, satire - master of all. Add effortless multies to that and you have someone who was ridiculously good.

3. Best right now? Not even close, Black Thought, Copy, Hopsin, Nas, Lowkey and a bunch of other underground rappers are all wayyy ahead of him. He's still good, just not that good.

4. What's the point of being on a discussion board if, when you're in a discussion, you go "it's just my opinion. It cant be wrong"? Back it up, keep debating. The whole 'it's my opinion' thing is so annoying, it's just a cop-out when you can't back up your point. People dont give a shit about others saying "my opinion" cus it just annoying and kills any debate.

And opinions can't be wrong? Okay, in my opinion, they can be wrong. What do you say to that? That's a bit of a mind-fuck, right?

Opinions CAN be wrong, if you can't back them up. We've been arguing this whole time about "I'm right, you're wrong. It's right because I say it's right", and saying that "well, in YOUR opinion it's true, but you don't speak for everyone". This hasn't been anything about copping out of debating, there's a difference between debating and what has actually been going on in this thread. It's extremely arrogant to completely dismiss opinions because you don't agree with them

[classthe_king]

Let's end this once and for all...

1. Eminem in his prime was one of the best to ever do it. Pretty much undeniable. The best? Arguable, but I'd definitely say so myself. He pretty much had it all, I can't believe Zu said that you'd be stupid to say he's one of the best.

2. To say multies is only what he's great for is ridiculous as well. Imagery, word choice, storytelling, concepts, variety, wit, humour, satire - master of all. Add effortless multies to that and you have someone who was ridiculously good.

3. Best right now? Not even close, Black Thought, Copy, Hopsin, Nas, Lowkey and a bunch of other underground rappers are all wayyy ahead of him. He's still good, just not that good.

4. What's the point of being on a discussion board if, when you're in a discussion, you go "it's just my opinion. It cant be wrong"? Back it up, keep debating. The whole 'it's my opinion' thing is so annoying, it's just a cop-out when you can't back up your point. People dont give a shit about others saying "my opinion" cus it just annoying and kills any debate.

And opinions can't be wrong? Okay, in my opinion, they can be wrong. What do you say to that? That's a bit of a mind-fuck, right?

Opinions CAN be wrong, if you can't back them up. We've been arguing this whole time about "I'm right, you're wrong. It's right because I say it's right", and saying that "well, in YOUR opinion it's true, but you don't speak for everyone". This hasn't been anything about copping out of debating, there's a difference between debating and what has actually been going on in this thread. It's extremely arrogant to completely dismiss opinions because you don't agree with them

No one dismissed your opinion because we don't agree with you, we dismissed your opinion because you can't back it up and you're a fucking idiot.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Let's end this once and for all...

1. Eminem in his prime was one of the best to ever do it. Pretty much undeniable. The best? Arguable, but I'd definitely say so myself. He pretty much had it all, I can't believe Zu said that you'd be stupid to say he's one of the best.

2. To say multies is only what he's great for is ridiculous as well. Imagery, word choice, storytelling, concepts, variety, wit, humour, satire - master of all. Add effortless multies to that and you have someone who was ridiculously good.

3. Best right now? Not even close, Black Thought, Copy, Hopsin, Nas, Lowkey and a bunch of other underground rappers are all wayyy ahead of him. He's still good, just not that good.

4. What's the point of being on a discussion board if, when you're in a discussion, you go "it's just my opinion. It cant be wrong"? Back it up, keep debating. The whole 'it's my opinion' thing is so annoying, it's just a cop-out when you can't back up your point. People dont give a shit about others saying "my opinion" cus it just annoying and kills any debate.

And opinions can't be wrong? Okay, in my opinion, they can be wrong. What do you say to that? That's a bit of a mind-fuck, right?

Opinions CAN be wrong, if you can't back them up. We've been arguing this whole time about "I'm right, you're wrong. It's right because I say it's right", and saying that "well, in YOUR opinion it's true, but you don't speak for everyone". This hasn't been anything about copping out of debating, there's a difference between debating and what has actually been going on in this thread. It's extremely arrogant to completely dismiss opinions because you don't agree with them

No one dismissed your opinion because we don't agree with you, we dismissed your opinion because you can't back it up and you're a fucking idiot.

I did back it up, by saying an interview with Em says he genuinely likes Wayne and wanted to work with Rihanna. What else do you want me to say to back it up? You want me to call the guy up and ask him myself? GTFO, you're just an arrogant asshole who thinks he's right all the time. You'll grow up one day and find out that NO, you're not always right. By calling me a fucking idiot for having an opinion is really immature. How the fuck can YOU back up your claims? You haven't said anything except "because it's true". GTFO with that bullshit, troll

[BigBangBazinga]

I love when Trigger gets pulled

[classthe_king]

I've completely backed up my claims with many facts. The only thing you address is Collabing with people isn't selling out, that's all you talk about over and over again. That's not the only reason we're saying he sold out you dumb fuck. And if you truly believe that Eminem genuinely wanted to work with Rihanna then you're dumber than I thought. He genuinely wanted to work with her because he sold out. Rihanna is the exact person he used to diss and make fun of back in the day. "Oh he changed his mind and grew up." Yeah no shit, it's cause he sold out.

[Willy]

I've completely backed up my claims with many facts. The only thing you address is Collabing with people isn't selling out, that's all you talk about over and over again. That's not the only reason we're saying he sold out you dumb fuck. And if you truly believe that Eminem genuinely wanted to work with Rihanna then you're dumber than I thought. He genuinely wanted to work with her because he sold out. Rihanna is the exact person he used to diss and make fun of back in the day. "Oh he changed his mind and grew up." Yeah no shit, it's cause he sold out.

again, agree with everyword (no i'm not joking... seriously)

Because he wanted to create a paradox, just like he did with Elton John. How can you not see that?

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I've completely backed up my claims with many facts. The only thing you address is Collabing with people isn't selling out, that's all you talk about over and over again. That's not the only reason we're saying he sold out you dumb fuck. And if you truly believe that Eminem genuinely wanted to work with Rihanna then you're dumber than I thought. He genuinely wanted to work with her because he sold out. Rihanna is the exact person he used to diss and make fun of back in the day. "Oh he changed his mind and grew up." Yeah no shit, it's cause he sold out.

Here he goes again, just insulting people without any ACTUAL argument. You didn't back up anything you just said, all you did was just make claims. You haven't brought any REAL cold hard facts, just your opinion. The fact that you've been saying Eminem = Lil Wayne is laughable enough. Calling people stupid and retarded all the time makes you seem like a mad little kid more than it makes you seem like a reasonable, thoughtful person. I'm not arguing with someone who's opinion no one on this side of the forum even really values. There are only a small handful of Eminem fans in the Eminem section who actually agree with you, so why do you even bother? To argue with Eminem fans just for the sake of it? Grow up, please, or get new hobbies

Have a nice day, and please, get over yourself. You're not special, you're a tool. I'm done with you, kid

[rinnie1207]

Here he goes again, just insulting people without any ACTUAL argument. You didn't back up anything you just said, all you did was just make claims. You haven't brought any REAL cold hard facts, just your opinion. The fact that you've been saying Eminem = Lil Wayne is laughable enough. Calling people stupid and retarded all the time makes you seem like a mad little kid more than it makes you seem like a reasonable, thoughtful person. I'm not arguing with someone who's opinion no one on this side of the forum even really values. There are only a small handful of Eminem fans in the Eminem section who actually agree with you, so why do you even bother? To argue with Eminem fans just for the sake of it? Grow up, please, or get new hobbies

Have a nice day, and please, get over yourself. You're not special, you're a tool. I'm done with you, kid

I agree 100%

[classthe_king]

Eminem sold out because:

-He changed his beat style. Did you know on his first 5 albums he only did beats from 4 different producers. On Recovery he did beats with 11 different producers. Compared to all previous albums, these beats were much more mainstream

-He changed up his lyrical style completely. Instead of his normal funny, witty humor he went to doing those ridiculous Lil Wayne style punchlines that everyone else is doing. ie:
-So long, til then I drop the fucking bombs like I missed the pass when I went long,
-I'm bananas pussy, cut off the grapes and grow a pair,
-Brain dead rims, yeah stupid wheels,
-I'll cut my toes off and step on the receipt before I foot the bill,
-I gave Bruce Wayne a Valium and said "Settle ya fuckin ass down I'm ready for combat man!"
-I'm an uncooked slab of beef laying on your kitchen floor..In other words I'm off the meat rack

-His ONLY collabs on the album were Pink, Rihanna and Lil Wayne. You can say he genuinely wanted to work with them or whatever you want but everyone knows that's bullshit. Eminem could have done songs with Cashis or any other shady records rapper to try and promote them, he could have done songs with legends like Nas or Raekwon or he could have found dope new rappers like J Cole to do songs with. But no he chose Lil Wayne because "he thinks he's dope and really wants to work with him" Or is that what Interscope told him to say?

P.S Wilymo still doesn't know what a paradox is.

[rinnie1207]

And if you truly believe that Eminem genuinely wanted to work with Rihanna then you're dumber than I thought. He genuinely wanted to work with her because he sold out. Rihanna is the exact person he used to diss and make fun of back in the day. "Oh he changed his mind and grew up." Yeah no shit, it's cause he sold out.

Just because he made a song with Rihanna does not mean he sold out. He wanted to work with her because of what happened with Chris Brown. Em has said he genuinely wanted to work with her. I posted in the other thread an interview with him where he explained this. You know the other thread, where you were bitching about him selling out there too?

But really, I don't know why I just said all that because its useless. You will probably call me dumb or something because I have an opinion that is different than you.

If all you are going to do is say Em is a sellout, why are you on an Eminem fan forum?