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Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

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Re: Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

Postby stillmatic » Mar 9th, '11, 23:57

dead prez wrote:
stillmatic wrote:Chronic had great lyrics, what were you listening to?


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Chronic was D.O.C in his prime.


You mean Cube's prime?

And Dre is far from a 'shitty' MC.

I guess, but do you think he's better than Ye mc wise?


You get one line from the entire album and from one of the albums biggest hits (and a song that revolutionized hip hop ftw) and that's your argument for the album having poor lyrics?

No, Ice Cube had nothing to do with The Chronic either. At the time, Cube and Dre weren't even on good terms.

The majority of lyrics that were co-written with Dr. Dre at the time were The D.O.C, and he was in his prime.
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Re: Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

Postby ShadyNarkoticz » Mar 11th, '11, 02:01

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ShadyNarkoticz wrote:Which could someone tell me the story of the album? I understand bits and pieces, mostly the second half.

The whole album is a metaphor for Kanye's career up to this point

Dark Fantasy is his introduction into the rap game

Gorgeous is Kanye hitting back on everybody who doubted him and the beat switch for Raekwon's verse is to symbolise the fact that 'Ye is on the same track as one of his idols, futher proving that he's made it

POWER is a key track, this is Kanye at his most cocky, confident, but most vulnerable state of mind, as the song goes on you can see that the fame is starting to that it's tole, "this will be a beautiful death, jumping out the window, letting everything go". This really sets the tone for the rest of the album

All of The Lights is Kanye describing his personal problems, again that fame has brought on him, listen closely to the hook, "I want you to see everything, EVERYTHING, all of the Lights" - all of the lights = metaphor for problems, and you'll hear the phrase being used 2-3 more times on the album

Monster = 'Ye's response to the Taylor Swift incident, "gossip, gossip, ni**ga just stop it, everybody knows I'm a mothafuckin' monster"

So Appalled I'm not too sure about, I think it could be Kanye again hitting back at the criticism he got over the Taylor Swift incident, Jay also uses this track to hit back at his critics, and Pusha also drops one the "realest" verses of his career

Devil in New Dress is the start of Kanye's relationship issues (which is the theme for the next 2 songs as well). This is 'Ye reflecting on the times he spent with his girl, the guitar solo is used to add to the "reflective" theme of this song

Runaway is another key track possibly the biggest song of West's career, and maybe the biggest moment of clarity I’ve heard on a rap album. Like Devil in a New Dress, the first half of this song is also a reflective track. It starts off with how ‘Ye doesn’t care how he treats women, “I sent this girl a picture of my dick”, as the goes on though you can see that Kanye gradually starts to show remorse, and the final 3 minutes is basically Kanye crying/breaking down into a vocoder after he’s finally realised what he’s done. The first minute and a half of this is very distorted because ‘Ye’s mind is all over the place, but as things start to sink in, everything becomes clear (Kanye’s thoughts and what he was mumbling into the vocoder).

Hell of A Life is Kanye going on a drug fuelled rampage to try and forget what happened

Blame Game is his break up with Amber Rose. All the different voice effects on here are used to convey Kanye’s emotions. This is also another song where he uses the phrase “all of the lights” when talking about his problems. The Chris Rock skit at the end is the scene that Kanye talks about at the end of his part of the song. It’s a weird skit because the first time I heard it I laughed, then when I actually thought about how I’d react if I rang my girl and heard this kind of conversation going on, I felt sympathetic for ‘Ye.

Lost in The World is another key track, this is where Kanye is at at this moment and time. It starts off with Kanye being lost, broken, and just feeling totally fucked. But as it goes on ‘Ye becomes more optimistic, and in this song he drops a positive verse which describes Kanye getting back on his feet. “Run from the LIGHTS, run from the night” – Kanye is finally escaping the problems that plagued him throughout the album

That my thoughts on the albums concept, I could be totally wrong, but fuck it!

You fuckin' rock, sir. That's what I thought the concept was too but I just thought there was something I was missing. And aren't the lights in All of the Lights flashes from the paparazzi cameras? That's what I always thought.
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Re: Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

Postby NicoleEM » Mar 11th, '11, 05:53

No imo :coffee:
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Re: Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

Postby westsidekreidy » Mar 15th, '11, 14:16

ShadyNarkoticz wrote:
KillahBee wrote:
ShadyNarkoticz wrote:Which could someone tell me the story of the album? I understand bits and pieces, mostly the second half.

The whole album is a metaphor for Kanye's career up to this point

Dark Fantasy is his introduction into the rap game

Gorgeous is Kanye hitting back on everybody who doubted him and the beat switch for Raekwon's verse is to symbolise the fact that 'Ye is on the same track as one of his idols, futher proving that he's made it

POWER is a key track, this is Kanye at his most cocky, confident, but most vulnerable state of mind, as the song goes on you can see that the fame is starting to that it's tole, "this will be a beautiful death, jumping out the window, letting everything go". This really sets the tone for the rest of the album

All of The Lights is Kanye describing his personal problems, again that fame has brought on him, listen closely to the hook, "I want you to see everything, EVERYTHING, all of the Lights" - all of the lights = metaphor for problems, and you'll hear the phrase being used 2-3 more times on the album

Monster = 'Ye's response to the Taylor Swift incident, "gossip, gossip, ni**ga just stop it, everybody knows I'm a mothafuckin' monster"

So Appalled I'm not too sure about, I think it could be Kanye again hitting back at the criticism he got over the Taylor Swift incident, Jay also uses this track to hit back at his critics, and Pusha also drops one the "realest" verses of his career

Devil in New Dress is the start of Kanye's relationship issues (which is the theme for the next 2 songs as well). This is 'Ye reflecting on the times he spent with his girl, the guitar solo is used to add to the "reflective" theme of this song

Runaway is another key track possibly the biggest song of West's career, and maybe the biggest moment of clarity I’ve heard on a rap album. Like Devil in a New Dress, the first half of this song is also a reflective track. It starts off with how ‘Ye doesn’t care how he treats women, “I sent this girl a picture of my dick”, as the goes on though you can see that Kanye gradually starts to show remorse, and the final 3 minutes is basically Kanye crying/breaking down into a vocoder after he’s finally realised what he’s done. The first minute and a half of this is very distorted because ‘Ye’s mind is all over the place, but as things start to sink in, everything becomes clear (Kanye’s thoughts and what he was mumbling into the vocoder).

Hell of A Life is Kanye going on a drug fuelled rampage to try and forget what happened

Blame Game is his break up with Amber Rose. All the different voice effects on here are used to convey Kanye’s emotions. This is also another song where he uses the phrase “all of the lights” when talking about his problems. The Chris Rock skit at the end is the scene that Kanye talks about at the end of his part of the song. It’s a weird skit because the first time I heard it I laughed, then when I actually thought about how I’d react if I rang my girl and heard this kind of conversation going on, I felt sympathetic for ‘Ye.

Lost in The World is another key track, this is where Kanye is at at this moment and time. It starts off with Kanye being lost, broken, and just feeling totally fucked. But as it goes on ‘Ye becomes more optimistic, and in this song he drops a positive verse which describes Kanye getting back on his feet. “Run from the LIGHTS, run from the night” – Kanye is finally escaping the problems that plagued him throughout the album

That my thoughts on the albums concept, I could be totally wrong, but fuck it!

You fuckin' rock, sir. That's what I thought the concept was too but I just thought there was something I was missing. And aren't the lights in All of the Lights flashes from the paparazzi cameras? That's what I always thought.


the think the original quote you are thinking to hard. People make kanye west out to be some sort of genius...why? cause he did a little bit of college? doesn't make you smart.

the second quote, i hope not cause then he's making the same song over again as "flashing lights"
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Re: Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

Postby Almostlity » Mar 15th, '11, 14:25

Kanye IS Genius.
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Re: Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

Postby AJS2050 » Mar 15th, '11, 17:14

Yep its a classic and tops Graduation for me as his best work yet.
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Re: Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

Postby dead prez » Mar 15th, '11, 21:49

westsidekreidy wrote:the think the original quote you are thinking to hard. People make kanye west out to be some sort of genius...why? cause he did a little bit of college? doesn't make you smart.


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Re: Do You Find MBDTF a classic?

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Mar 15th, '11, 21:51

No, but it's great. The production is really the best part about the album. His lyrics are nothing special.

Terribly overrated, though. It doesn't deserve 5 stars from Rolling Stone. It really deserves about 4-4 1/2.
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