Why do you think Em went a more popish route with recovery?

[1TS OK4Y]

The sales for relapse weren't that amazing really compared to his previous albums It took that album like 14 months to reach double platinum.

maybe in the US alone, but it's well over 5 million worldwide sales. way more than any rap album in years...

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I've admitted before that Recovery is his MOST MAINSTREAM album. Not pop, there's a difference. Mainstream doesn't equal bad. If I wasn't on topic, then what is the topic? You have the name of the thread, which implies an argument about Recovery being "popish", then in the OP all you do is talk about sales, which has nothing to do with the title. Sales doesn't affect how "poppy" an album is. You're more off-topic than I am, and you made the goddamn thread.

You're a fucking idiot. Name his most popish album. It's Recovery. I didn't say it was pop, I said it's his most popish album. Get it kiddo?

The point of the thread is why do you think that the label/eminem wanted to go this route when relapse still is the highest selling rap album since 07 (besides recovery)

but you're young so i didn't expect you to fully understand the thread....

Yes, I am so fucking young...you just spewed gibberish in your OP, you didn't ask a question, all you did was state something. Are you retarded? Do you not understand what I said "his MOST MAINSTREAM" (I'll fucking bold it for you since you apparently can't read)? I admitted that, did you not see it? You apparently just read what you wanna read, and take out of it what you want. Recovery isn't pop, or "popish". Your thread is misleading, you need to change the title and the OP into a question, not just saying shit. And, if you would read, I never said you DID call it pop, idiot.

For the record, I'm most likely older than you, and it seems like I can compose a much better argument than you can, so I'm assuming you're not even beyond 18 yet. Not that age has shit to do with it, because it doesn't, but you're the one who brought it up. Not me.



Fucking waste of sperm cells.

[1TS OK4Y]

I've admitted before that Recovery is his MOST MAINSTREAM album. Not pop, there's a difference. Mainstream doesn't equal bad. If I wasn't on topic, then what is the topic? You have the name of the thread, which implies an argument about Recovery being "popish", then in the OP all you do is talk about sales, which has nothing to do with the title. Sales doesn't affect how "poppy" an album is. You're more off-topic than I am, and you made the goddamn thread.

You're a fucking idiot. Name his most popish album. It's Recovery. I didn't say it was pop, I said it's his most popish album. Get it kiddo?

The point of the thread is why do you think that the label/eminem wanted to go this route when relapse still is the highest selling rap album since 07 (besides recovery)

but you're young so i didn't expect you to fully understand the thread....

Yes, I am so fucking young...you just spewed gibberish in your OP, you didn't ask a question, all you did was state something. Are you retarded? Do you not understand what I said "his MOST MAINSTREAM" (I'll fucking bold it for you since you apparently can't read)? I admitted that, did you not see it? You apparently just read what you wanna read, and take out of it what you want. Recovery isn't pop, or "popish". Your thread is misleading, you need to change the title and the OP into a question, not just saying shit.

For the record, I'm most likely older than you, and it seems like I can compose a much better argument than you can, so I'm assuming you're not even beyond 18 yet. Not that age has shit to do with it, because it doesn't, but you're the one who brought it up. Not me.

lol, settle down mikey. recovery is his most pop album. point blank. and no, you're 21. i'm older than you. you were like.....9 when em first became really popular. you have no idea wtf you're talking about.

only a clown would think:

"Why do you think Em went a more popish route with recovery?" isn't a question

[xxTrigger1989xx]

lol, settle down mikey. recovery is his most pop album. point blank. and no, you're 21. i'm older than you. you were like.....9 when em first became really popular. you have no idea wtf you're talking about.

only a clown would think:

"Why do you think Em went a more popish route with recovery?" isn't a question

You literally are retarded. How the fuck can you sit here and say that you didn't call Recovery pop in your last post, when you just did in this post? Use a different word, maybe, like I did (MAINSTREAM). Moron. If you are older than me (I'm still not a kid), then that is quite pathetic that you're this stupid. And yes, because I was "like.....9" (fucking hard math for you, wasn't it?) that automatically means that I have no idea what I'm talking about now...fucking idiot. I can recognize pop music from hip hop music, thank you. You must be like 30+ if you REALLY care about age that much that you judge people based on it. Which is truly pathetic, don't you have a wife and kids to feed or something?...Oh yeah, that's right. You're on this forum, arguing about whether or not Recovery is "popish" and getting mad when someone doesn't agree. No wife OR kids!

Yes, it is a question. And I answered it by disagreeing and you got all butthurt. Learn to READ before you type, please. Now you just seem like a mad little kid.

[1TS OK4Y]

lol, settle down mikey. recovery is his most pop album. point blank. and no, you're 21. i'm older than you. you were like.....9 when em first became really popular. you have no idea wtf you're talking about.

only a clown would think:

"Why do you think Em went a more popish route with recovery?" isn't a question

You literally are retarded. How the fuck can you sit here and say that you didn't call Recovery pop in your last post, when you just did in this post? Use a different word, maybe, like I did (MAINSTREAM). Moron. If you are older than me (I'm still not a kid), then that is quite pathetic that you're this stupid. And yes, because I was "like.....9" (fucking hard math for you, wasn't it?) that automatically means that I have no idea what I'm talking about now...fucking idiot. I can recognize pop music from hip hop music, thank you. You must be like 30+ if you REALLY care about age that much that you judge people based on it. Which is truly pathetic, don't you have a wife and kids to feed or something?...Oh yeah, that's right. You're on this forum, arguing about whether or not Recovery is "popish" and getting mad when someone doesn't agree. No wife OR kids!

Yes, it is a question. And I answered it by disagreeing and you got all butthurt. Learn to READ before you type, please. Now you just seem like a mad little kid.

I have 200 posts on this site in 6 years. You have 4,000+ in one. Yes I spend too much time here.

Calm down Mr. Rainns, we don't want things getting out of hand, do we?

And yes, Recovery is 100% his most popish album. Not quite sure why you're denying it. Name another album that has more popish characteristics. I dare you.

In before the "bu bu none of them are pop " so I will address that damage control before you say it, I never said they were, but if any of them were to be, it would be recovery.

[MikeNUFC]

If Eminem stood next to a burnt down house with a can full of gas and a handfull of matches you lot would still defend him.

Recovery is his most poppish album. It's not pop as a genre, but his most poppish album.

The 'sound' of the album is poppy. Not the lyrics, but most of the production and hooks.

Other rappers work with shitty producers like Boi-1da and get called pop/hip-pop - Drake, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z etc. It's not just Eminem.

[1TS OK4Y]

If Eminem stood next to a burnt down house with a can full of gas and a handfull of matches you lot would still defend him.

Recovery is his most poppish album. It's not pop as a genre, but his most poppish album.

The 'sound' of the album is poppy. Not the lyrics, but most of the production and hooks.

Other rappers work with shitty producers like Boi-1da and get called pop/hip-pop - Drake, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z etc. It's not just Eminem.

Exactly...how this Trigger kid is denying it is beyond me. It's a good album and I enjoyed it, but it's without a doubt more poppy than his other albums by a large margin. What I wonder is, with Recovery....why did they go that route? I mean, it was definitely a decision made..it just didn't end up like that..but Relapse sold more worldwide than any album I can remember besides maybe GRODT. But I doubt that sold more than Relapse WW. Could be wrong, don't feel like googling it. But even if that's the case...it's still the second highest rap album in 6 years outside of Recovery

[Kez]

Em's seriously got the most pigheadedly loyal fans ever lol

[Manly Moose]

Em's seriously got the most pigheadedly loyal fans ever lol

That would be MJ sir, I'm an MJ stan myself I KNOW ITS TRUE

[EminemBase]

So if not because of Rihanna and Pink then - explain to me how Recovery is pop...

None of his albums are pop. The PRODUCTION on Recovery is more mainstream. Big difference. But that's just the production.

But he didn't compromise his views our output, or artform. It's not pop. Call it mainstream even, but stop using the word pop, because it's not pop.

If you're asking, why he shot for a broader audience... do you really need to ASK that? it's already been explained from the horse's mouth. Paul even said himself, Em wanted to go wider with Recovery. Relapse divided critics and fans and he obviously didn't want to be stubborn and just go downhill. So he probably wanted to prove he could still achieve broader success as well as connecting with more people. He said he wanted to put the emotion back into his work.

[Ku53v]

Because he wanted to sell more albums.

[1TS OK4Y]

So if not because of Rihanna and Pink then - explain to me how Recovery is pop...

None of his albums are pop. The PRODUCTION on Recovery is more mainstream. Big difference. But that's just the production.

But he didn't compromise his views our output, or artform. It's not pop. Call it mainstream even, but stop using the word pop, because it's not pop.

If you're asking, why he shot for a broader audience... do you really need to ASK that? it's already been explained from the horse's mouth. Paul even said himself, Em wanted to go wider with Recovery. Relapse divided critics and fans and he obviously didn't want to be stubborn and just go downhill. So he probably wanted to prove he could still achieve broader success as well as connecting with more people. He said he wanted to put the emotion back into his work.

i didn't say it was pop. i said it was more pop than his other albums, which it is. end of story....

[EminemBase]

So if not because of Rihanna and Pink then - explain to me how Recovery is pop...

None of his albums are pop. The PRODUCTION on Recovery is more mainstream. Big difference. But that's just the production.

But he didn't compromise his views our output, or artform. It's not pop. Call it mainstream even, but stop using the word pop, because it's not pop.

If you're asking, why he shot for a broader audience... do you really need to ASK that? it's already been explained from the horse's mouth. Paul even said himself, Em wanted to go wider with Recovery. Relapse divided critics and fans and he obviously didn't want to be stubborn and just go downhill. So he probably wanted to prove he could still achieve broader success as well as connecting with more people. He said he wanted to put the emotion back into his work.

i didn't say it was pop. i said it was more pop than his other albums, which it is. end of story....

Firstly, it's not pop. In any sense.

What you mean is it's more tacky than his other albums. It's broader, it's got elements which are more mainstream. There's a big difference between that and pop. There's mainstream metal for example, that is not pop.

Secondly - Okay, what's your point... why do people like you need to make a thread every two months to re-affirm your views to the rest of us.

Hate it or love it, but unless you're enticing some new or interesting discussion is it really worth making a thread like this... no. End of story.

[Manly Moose]

This discussion is retarded.

[rinnie1207]

I don't think Recovery is "popish" at all. Is Recovery more mainstream? Definitely. But not pop.

It's not the topic. Recovery is without a doubt his most popish album. If you argue this then you are more than likely under 18.

What? So someone under 18 can't have an opinion/view about this or something? Thats such a dumb argument.