Why do you think Em went a more popish route with recovery?

[EminemBase]

I don't think Recovery is "popish" at all. Is Recovery more mainstream? Definitely. But not pop.

It's not the topic. Recovery is without a doubt his most popish album. If you argue this then you are more than likely under 18.

What? So someone under 18 can't have an opinion/view about this or something? Thats such a dumb argument.

No he means you probably haven't heard / weren't around for his older material.

[EminemInsider]

I'll take a stab at it:

Eminem wanted Dre to produce the album, but Dre had fallen into a pit of despair after his son's death. He came to him with ideas but said they were just pieces, and he became very indecisive and couldn't form his own opinion without second-guessing and questioning himself.

Eminem, rather than waiting for Dre to come around, opted to find other producers to work with instead (he couldn't wait, otherwise he might have relapsed out of boredom). He opted for the popular producers of the current era, as that, to him, made the most sense.

While he was doing all this, he kept calling Dre and reminding him he still wants to get something from him for the album...eventually, Dre dragged his ass into the studio, sat down, and they made "So Bad." Then Dre went home and resumed the second-guessing and questioning himself, until Eminem brought him some steroids and Dre hit the gym.

[rinnie1207]

I don't think Recovery is "popish" at all. Is Recovery more mainstream? Definitely. But not pop.

It's not the topic. Recovery is without a doubt his most popish album. If you argue this then you are more than likely under 18.

What? So someone under 18 can't have an opinion/view about this or something? Thats such a dumb argument.

No he means you probably haven't heard / weren't around for his older material.

Okay, I see now

Thats still dumb though lol. I guess just because someone was younger when he first came out/or when he released older material means that they can't become a fan later on in their life and listen to his older material. Hah.

Well isn't it blatantly obvious? The validity of your input doesn't come into effect until you hit 18, like voting, cigarette purchasing, attainment of lottery tickets or drinking (in some parts of the world).

Lol, I can't believe I didn't realize this earlier!

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I don't think it should matter if you were "around" when Em first dropped SSLP. If you know good music, you know good music. It shouldn't matter WHEN you listened to it. None of us were around for The Beatles (for example), so does that mean fans who were "not around" when they were means that we don't know what we're talking about when it comes to their music? No. I got into Eminem when I was 17. Four years ago. I'm a huge fan, and I've only been one for four years. I first heard The Eminem Show and I loved it, despite it being a 2002 album. Then I got into the rest of his albums.

But, the people who became fans after Not Afraid/Love The Way You Lie...that's a different story.

[babyjane]

Recovery doesn't sound any more pop than any of the other albums. He's got Pink and Rihanna singing hooks now rather than Dina Rae and there's less humor I think. I miss the interludes.

[j04370859]

I'll take a stab at it:

Eminem wanted Dre to produce the album, but Dre had fallen into a pit of despair after his son's death. He came to him with ideas but said they were just pieces, and he became very indecisive and couldn't form his own opinion without second-guessing and questioning himself.

Eminem, rather than waiting for Dre to come around, opted to find other producers to work with instead (he couldn't wait, otherwise he might have relapsed out of boredom). He opted for the popular producers of the current era, as that, to him, made the most sense.

While he was doing all this, he kept calling Dre and reminding him he still wants to get something from him for the album...eventually, Dre dragged his ass into the studio, sat down, and they made "So Bad." Then Dre went home and resumed the second-guessing and questioning himself, until Eminem brought him some steroids and Dre hit the gym.

Dre was actually producing relapse after his sons death.

[tank2010]

1TS OK4Y is a fucking retard

[Tranquil]

Its not a more popish route, is MAINSTREAM!!!!

[Tranquil]

I'll take a stab at it:

Eminem wanted Dre to produce the album, but Dre had fallen into a pit of despair after his son's death. He came to him with ideas but said they were just pieces, and he became very indecisive and couldn't form his own opinion without second-guessing and questioning himself.

Eminem, rather than waiting for Dre to come around, opted to find other producers to work with instead (he couldn't wait, otherwise he might have relapsed out of boredom). He opted for the popular producers of the current era, as that, to him, made the most sense.

While he was doing all this, he kept calling Dre and reminding him he still wants to get something from him for the album...eventually, Dre dragged his ass into the studio, sat down, and they made "So Bad." Then Dre went home and resumed the second-guessing and questioning himself, until Eminem brought him some steroids and Dre hit the gym.

Dre was actually producing relapse after his sons death.

Yeah lol, dres son died before Relapse

[BigBangBazinga]

The weird thing being Dre's son died in the middle of the Relapse sessions... Dre just kept making beats.

The man seems to keep his personal traumas away from his music.

Just like Em.

[katha]

LOL, my first thought on reading the thread title was "When did he become a Catholic?"

Anyway, I think he went more mainstream because Relapse wasn't a great hit with either critics or fans. Or that's the feedback he got, at least the loudest feedback. You could also speculate that Relapse was made at a time when he was newly clean and things were still hard for him, so he doesn't want to think about that time too much.

So he consciously made an album that was more accesible to regain his standing in pop culture. He compromised on beats and did those stupid punchlines that he saw all the "cool kids" doing. IMO the real sell-out song is Not Afraid. I find it funny, but there's no justification for it. Stuff like Talking 2 Myself or Spacebound, there are interesting ideas there, even if the execution falls short. But Not Afraid is just pandering to get a hit.

[M15HKA]

Is it softer than other Eminem albums? Yes(Maybe Encore was softer)

Are the beats poppy? Not really just not the ideal beats for Eminem to rhyme on they lack a distinct Eminem sound which Dre and Em always bring.

Are the Lyrics watered down and poppy? Nope maybe they are if you compare them with Relapse or some of SSLP/MMLP but in general no.

In general the album had 2 singles that appealed extremely well to the mainstream. Hence they were number #1's in the States whereas the lead singles for his other albums were not. This is really what makes it seem poppy as an album. Lets not forget he is a mainstream artist another album like relapse could have sent him into obscurity although I liked relapse.

I like Recovery for what it is I am not a diehard fan of it, it is a good piece of work with a few outstanding tracks. Problem was the beats, Also that Despicable freestyle got all us stans hyped up. It wasn't the best Hip hop album of 2010 heard a few better but still it was a good album just hoping he evolves once more for his next album. Problem is his stuff will always be compared to SSLP/MMLP/TES which is fucken difficult to create work at that level when you are established and really have 0 to prove.

[Fleka]

He went popish couse we, his fans, are bitches that bitch about everything. About accents, about subject matter, when we get Shady we-want Eminem, when we get Eminem-we want Shady couse Eminem is a sellout. Fuck us.

[M15HKA]

^^ I agree.

Thing is, I hope that since he knows he's got the attention of the world again, he starts releasing his shit like...the I don't give a fuck shit. Things like Relapse, he truly didn't give a fuck AND he seemed HAPPY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtPAr7aS5mA&feature=fvst

I watched this today, first time seeing it in a while, and seeing it saddened me. Look how happy he looked about Relapse. I don't think I've seen him talk so...excitingly about Recovery.

I want him to be happy about it again.

Fuck never saw that interview Yeah he is so fucken serious now compared to then. Even his interview with westwood in 09 he seemed a lot happier. He should just do what he wants fuck listening to his fans seriously he is an artist and should express himself how he feels as an artist not what we as fans want to hear because lets face it most of the time not always he has made the correct decisions in creating his albums.

[Rash J]

Yeah good point. His interviews during the Relapse days; he seemed more satisfied about the work done. Makes you wonder if he succumbed to pressure by Interscope to push something more mainstream. But I definitely won't call Recovery pop.