Mainstream is just as talented as Underground

[VenomBlackViper]

Uhh shouldn't you be worrying about the economy and gas prices rather then arguing with Sentus?

[FreeSpeech]

I'm on my phone so I don't feel like responding but freespeach is just a fucking moron. Yes I could easily be a mainstream star, my dog could. You don't think if I had a multi million dollar studio and dre mixing for me I would have better flow/delivery/mic presence? I can't imagine how dumb you are in real life

Are you an idiot? Mic presence does NOT equal sound quality at all. It has to do with not sounding like a lil monotone pussy, which you clearly would regardless of where you produced it. A wack voice and delivery is wack no matter what. Waka is probably functionally retarded, but he is infinitely more listenable than you. Lyrics are only one aspect, and are the only one you remotely have. You. Sound. Like. McLovin. Rapping. Poorly.

Uhh shouldn't you be worrying about the economy and gas prices rather then arguing with Sentus?

No, I'm not going out tonight due to having to wake up early to go on a trip in the morning, all my friends are out, and I have nothing better to do. And I'm in business classes everyday, I got you on dat economy joint mayne.

[classthe_king]

That just shows how little you know about recording, and nothing you says bothers me at all. You've proved countless times you're a fucking idiot.

[WakeUpShow]

I just want to add that JMT and AOTP have many catchy songs. I out.

[Satire]

Are you guys fucking retarded. There's an extremely easy way out to making a hook "Catchy" and that's repetition. If you haven't noticed, if you took the melody of most of Soulja Boy's choruses, and replaced the repeated phrase with coherent sentences, it would suddenly turn from "Oh, that's so catchy" into "That hook is so fucking shitty wtf". It does not take talent to write a melody like "Pretty Boy Swag". That song would be NOWHERE if it wasn't as fucking annoying and repetitive as it is.

Anyone defending Soulja Boy talent automatically loses this argument. He is this century's Vanilla Ice, and if you're telling me it takes just as much talent to make Soulja Boy's music as it does to write something like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU

Well...then you just kinda lose credibility FreeSpeech. You're easily in my top 20 members on this forum, and this topic could have been good, but your context for it was just stupid.

And yes, Blu can totally make catchy hooks. Even that shitty new single of his got positive feedback for it's catchy hook. The problem is 4/5 he relies on samples and the beat so he doesn't make a hook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAEgzs4Iwoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml5RhkyKXyc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_zeFRdL6o (The shitty quality kinda ruins the catchy-ness of this one but yeah)

[Master Chief]

And yes, Blu can totally make catchy hooks. Even that shitty new single of his got positive feedback for it's catchy hook. The problem is 4/5 he relies on samples and the beat so he doesn't make a hook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAEgzs4Iwoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml5RhkyKXyc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_zeFRdL6o

If this is directed to me...

I never said Blu can't make catchy hooks, I just said that he isn't a catchy artist. Anyways, that wasn't even what I was trying to argue...

[Satire]

You're so gay though. Halos are my favorite type of fag.

[Master Chief]

You're so gay though. Halos are my favorite type of fag.

Quoted for Proof (RIP, You're Never Over)

Ban this man for racism.

[Satire]

Alright, I read the rest of the topic.

First, Blu, K-os & Big KRIT aren't underground.

Blu & KRIT are signed up and comers here in the US. From what people say, K-os is signed to Universal and got alot of radio play in Canada in his prime.

The reason alot of underground artists aren't catchy is because that's the kind of music they pursue. They all have the capability to do so, obviously, but they they're the type of artists who would rather spit 60 bars on a great beat than make a radio hit out of a generic backing track.

Gift of Gab is really catchy.

Most of K-os' music is extremely catchy.

Lello said that there are alot of underground artists have some catchy songs, which is true, there are. The only person arguing against there being "catchy artists" is you, Chief , and the reason there aren't alot of catchy "artists" it because the underground isn't aiming at these people:

[Master Chief]

The reason alot of underground artists aren't catchy is because that's the kind of music they pursue. They all have the capability to do so, obviously, but they they're the type of artists who would rather spit 60 bars on a great beat than make a radio hit out of a generic backing track.

I never said I want underground artists to make catchy music, I'm just simply stating that very few do whether that's a good or bad thing.

Gift of Gab is really catchy.

I wouldn't know

Most of K-os' music is extremely catchy.

Lello said that there are alot of underground artists have some catchy songs, which is true, there are. The only person arguing against there being "catchy artists" is you, Chief

No, there aren't. The keyword here is: A LOT. That's what this whole arguement is about...the word fucking "a lot". You can't tell me that most underground music is catchy. Now, there's a difference between a catchy artist and making a catchy song AND making a catchy hook. If you make a catchy hook, you didn't neccesarily make a catchy song and if you made a catchy song that doesn't mean you are a catchy artist. "But, what's a catchy artist?" Eminem, Tech N9ne, KiD CuDi, B.o.B, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West etc.

Please, and this to everyone...keep in mind that this DOES NOT mean that I think catchy music is better than non-catchy music.

[Satire]

The reason alot of underground artists aren't catchy is because that's the kind of music they pursue. They all have the capability to do so, obviously, but they they're the type of artists who would rather spit 60 bars on a great beat than make a radio hit out of a generic backing track.

I never said I want underground artists to make catchy music, I'm just simply stating that very few do whether that's a good or bad thing.

Lello said that there are alot of underground artists have some catchy songs, which is true, there are. The only person arguing against there being "catchy artists" is you, Chief

No, there aren't. The keyword here is: A LOT. That's what this whole arguement is about...the word fucking "a lot". You can't tell me that most underground music is catchy. Now, there's a difference between a catchy artist and making a catchy song AND making a catchy hook. If you make a catchy hook, you didn't neccesarily make a catchy song and if you made a catchy song that doesn't mean you are a catchy artist. "But, what's a catchy artist?" Eminem, Tech N9ne, KiD CuDi, B.o.B, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West etc.

Please, and this to everyone...keep in mind that this DOES NOT mean that I think catchy music is better than non-catchy music.

Breaking down arguments is obnoxious as fuck so I'm just going to write out a paragraph in response to these.

I never said you said you wanted anything, I was giving a reason as to why they don't because the topic is "Mainstream is just as talented as Underground because they can make catchy muzicks and Underground is incapable of doing so".

And yes, there are ALOT of Underground artists who have SOME catchy songs. Blu has some catchy songs, Krit has some catchy songs, Del has some catchy songs. No one is saying that most underground music is catchy, but Lello said that ALOT of artists have SOME catchy songs, you're distorting that and making an argument against a basis that no one is following. SOME songs from ALOT of artists does not equate to the majority of underground rap.

And a hook makes up about 50% of the song time, if you make a catchy hook, you will have a decently catchy song.

And again no one is saying, or even implying, you think anything.

[Master Chief]

And yes, there are ALOT of Underground artists who have SOME catchy songs. Blu has some catchy songs, Krit has some catchy songs, Del has some catchy songs. No one is saying that most underground music is catchy, but Lello said that ALOT of artists have SOME catchy songs, you're distorting that and making an argument against a basis that no one is following. SOME songs from ALOT of artists does not equate to the majority of underground rap.

And a hook makes up about 50% of the song time, if you make a catchy hook, you will have a decently catchy song.

And again no one is saying, or even implying, you think anything.

Even though I did fuck up on what he was saying I still don't believe a lot of underground artists have some catchy songs. It depends of what "some" means to you honestly. Some, to me, is like 30-40% of your music is catchy. And tbh this argument is stupid because at this point the basis for this argument are quantitative words. If he said "a lot underground artists have a few catchy songs" then I believe he is somewhat correct. And didn't you say KRIT & Blu aren't underground? Cause I don't get why you're bringing them in. Del has some catchy songs, I agree and I know you didn't bring this up but he's not a catchy artist.

A hook is usually 8 lines and a hook usually appears 3 times on a song. That's 24 lines vs. 48 lines in the verses so (without using a calculator) that's usually 1/4 of the song. Remember there are such things as catchy beats and there is the ability to make your verses catchy.

And about no one implying what I think...

@Master Chief underground artists don't make music purely to be "catchy" they make music for people who appreciate real talent & lyricism. If you want a catchy hook bump the new Chris Brown CD.

Plus, it kinda seems like I'm saying catchy music > *

[Satire]

Even though I did fuck up on what he was saying I still don't believe a lot of underground artists have some catchy songs. It depends of what "some" means to you honestly. Some, to me, is like 30-40% of your music is catchy. And tbh this argument is stupid because at this point the basis for this argument are quantitative words.

"Some" is a synonym for "Few". But whatever, as Dead Prez would say, concession accepted

I brought them in because those were artists that were used as an example earlier.

A hook is the most memorable part of a song regardless of how short it is. Know why? The exact reason I said when I first entered this thread: Repetition. If you have a great hook, it will probably also give the illusion to stupid people that the beat is also good. Lupe's verses in "The Show Goes On" are far from catchy but I guarantee you most people would say that's a catchy song.

[Master Chief]

I brought them in because those were artists that were used as an example earlier.

A hook is the most memorable part of a song. If you have a great hook, it will probably also give the illusion that the beat is also good. Lupe's verses in "The Show Goes On" are far from catchy but I guarantee you most people would say that's a catchy song.

I guess so, I'd say that song is extremely catchy

A catchy hook CAN make a song catchy but it's not 100%.

[Satire]

Yeah but the point remains it would still be a catchy song.

All that being said, my work is finished here. Another thread made 20% cooler after Satire attacked it.