Waka/Gucci/Soulja etc don't "kill hiphop"

[FreeSpeech]

Opposite of the other recent thread:
Waka didn't kill hip hop. It's not like if dudes like Waka and Gucci never existed, all their fans would be way more intelligent and listen to Jedi Mind Tricks or some shit. No, they'd still be morons. If Waka wasn't making millions, none of you would be hating, he'd be just another illiterate hood urchin. But, because he somehow turned his monkey self into a millionaire, you all hate. I mean, shit, let's make a thread hating on the inventor of the Snuggie. If you don't like him, don't listen. It's not like he hurts your favorite artist's sales either. What, you think someone is gonna go to the store and say "Oh shit! No Waka or Soulja CD's left, guess I'll just cop some Nas and Dead Prez..."
No, obviously not.

99.9% of Waka-type music is just trash, but it doesn't bother me. The odd song is dope for parties or hype music, so I'm fine with it. I'll download the 1 song I like and just not listen to the rest. Why piss and moan about it?

[xxTrigger1989xx]

They rape it in hip hop's asshole until it bleeds, then they rape it some more and then proceed to beating it to death with a sledgehammer.

[MikeNUFC]

It's not that they're rich. Hell, I couldn't give two shits how much money Copywrite has.

It's about the fact that this shit represents hip-hop to the mainstream. People will listen to this and generalize hip-hop based on it. And that is problem, because it only alludes to more stereotypes and generalizations.

I don't blame Waka or Soulja Boy. These always been rappers like them and they're always will be. I blame the fact people like this shit and listen to - some people may only ever listen to these people and will mock/judge a whole genre based on it - the media will do the same thing.

They didn't "kill hip-hop" they just strengthen a ridiculous stereotype

[Satire]

Spreading stupid music and giving everyone a distorted perception of the genre (If you deny this, you're just ignorant. I'm sorry) is something that we have no right to complain about and we should just "ignore it", apparently.

And obviously if Wacka didn't make millions we wouldn't be hating. You missed the entire point of the thread. I am always going to hate shitty music, this music just happens to be that shitty.

That being said, you are going to lose this debate. I would just walk away like you always do eventually and don't drag it on.

[mcZu]

We, as the listeners and fans, killed/are killing Hip Hop. The minute the listeners gave into trends and what the industry labeled as ''hot'', Hip Hop's growth rate started to decline. And, of course, we cannot forget the internet. Even though it opened the door for independent marketing and made Hip Hop music more accesible, it also killed the business aspect of the music genre. Sales decreased with a tremendous rate, downloading had/has a huge roll in killing Hip Hop.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

We, as the listeners and fans, killed/are killing Hip Hop. The minute the listeners gave into trends and what the industry labeled as ''hot'', Hip Hop's growth rate started to decline. And, of course, we cannot forget the internet. Even though it opened the door for independent marketing and made Hip Hop music more accesible, it also killed the business aspect of the music genre. Sales decreased with a tremendous rate, downloading had/has a huge roll in killing Hip Hop.

This post has so much win.

[IknowU]

I don't blame Waka or Soulja Boy. These always been rappers like them and they're always will be. I blame the fact people like this shit and listen to - some people may only ever listen to these people and will mock/judge a whole genre based on it - the media will do the same thing.

They didn't "kill hip-hop" they just strengthen a ridiculous stereotype

Who are you to decide what people should listen to? Who are you to tell everyone how hip pop should be portrayed or represented? Its the people who decide, everything changes overtime. Teens in the current decade listening to this current music will bitch about songs/artists that are gonna come up in about 10yrs time. They will use the same argument people like you are using now about how hip pop is dying and what not. Its a never ending cycle.

Its the audience at the end of every product that decides what they want, how they want it and who they want.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I'm fairly sure hip hop can't get too much worse than Waka Flocka Flame. Gucci is somewhat tolerable and Soulja Boy...well, I'd rather listen to SB than Waka.

[classthe_king]

I don't blame Waka or Soulja Boy. These always been rappers like them and they're always will be. I blame the fact people like this shit and listen to - some people may only ever listen to these people and will mock/judge a whole genre based on it - the media will do the same thing.

They didn't "kill hip-hop" they just strengthen a ridiculous stereotype

Who are you to decide what people should listen to? Who are you to tell everyone how hip pop should be portrayed or represented? Its the people who decide, everything changes overtime. Teens in the current decade listening to this current music will bitch about songs/artists that are gonna come up in about 10yrs time. They will use the same argument people like you are using now about how hip pop is dying and what not. Its a never ending cycle.

Its the audience at the end of every product that decides what they want, how they want it and who they want.

lolwut. You obviously don't care about Hip-Hop at all.

[WakeUpShow]

I'm fairly sure hip hop can't get too much worse than Waka Flocka Flame. Gucci is somewhat tolerable and Soulja Boy...well, I'd rather listen to SB than Waka.

how is Gucci tolerable. He is the exact opposite. I want to tear my hair out at the sound of his voice.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I'm fairly sure hip hop can't get too much worse than Waka Flocka Flame. Gucci is somewhat tolerable and Soulja Boy...well, I'd rather listen to SB than Waka.

how is Gucci tolerable. He is the exact opposite. I want to tear my hair out at the sound of his voice.

Out of the three, he's the best. Which isn't saying much...I'll take back what I said, though, because you're right...I can't really listen to his music either. His voice IS truly cringe-worthy now that I think about it. Haven't heard Gucci in a while, and I'm probably a happier person for it.

[dead prez]

Opposite of the other recent thread:
Waka didn't kill hip hop. It's not like if dudes like Waka and Gucci never existed, all their fans would be way more intelligent and listen to Jedi Mind Tricks or some shit. No, they'd still be morons. If Waka wasn't making millions, none of you would be hating, he'd be just another illiterate hood urchin. But, because he somehow turned his monkey self into a millionaire, you all hate. I mean, shit, let's make a thread hating on the inventor of the Snuggie. If you don't like him, don't listen. It's not like he hurts your favorite artist's sales either. What, you think someone is gonna go to the store and say "Oh shit! No Waka or Soulja CD's left, guess I'll just cop some Nas and Dead Prez..."
No, obviously not.

99.9% of Waka-type music is just trash, but it doesn't bother me. The odd song is dope for parties or hype music, so I'm fine with it. I'll download the 1 song I like and just not listen to the rest. Why piss and moan about it?

Do I have to kick your ass, like I used to? No they get hate because they suck plain and simple, even if they were underground they wouldn't magically get the same praise that rappers like Vinnie Paz, Mos Def, One Be Lo, etc.

If you are able to make any decisions for yourself you should know what is good and shitty music regardless of it being underground or mainstream, and Wacka Flock/Gucci/ Souljia plain suck.

The whole hating on someone because they're famous is nothing but a textbook strawman started by P diddy when they would get criticized for having shitty music out, they would just label whoever calls their music trash as 'haters". Not to mention it just gives Hip Hop a bad image in general, for non Hip Hop fans and an excuse to needlessly trash the genre. It's a pride thing if anything for Hip Hop fans.

Who are you to decide what people should listen to?

Someone that knows what the hell he's talking about

Who are you to tell everyone how hip pop should be portrayed or represented?

I'm not even gonna dignify this with a response.

Its the people who decide, everything changes overtime. Teens in the current decade listening to this current music will bitch about songs/artists that are gonna come up in about 10yrs time. They will use the same argument people like you are using now about how hip pop is dying and what not. Its a never ending cycle.

On the contrary you assume people like to nostalgic sacred cow, music and just look at it with nostalgia goggles on without objectively analyzing how good the music is. Well you're hilariously wrong, show me where people praise P diddy, or Master P, or Vanilla Ice this day and age, because that's who these artists are equivalent to.

And really 97-98 were horrible years for rap the death od two you know who's not to mention the jiggy era taking place. Even Wayne makes more enjoyable music than what was ran back than.

[Satire]

Dead Prez pretty much came, saw and destroyed. I don't even know how to explain how epic his opening line was.

[Tash8]

you guys are starting to piss me off

Soulja boy did not kill hip hop, if anything he helped expand it to a much stupider audience.

Waka is dope too, it takes a lot of balls to name urself that.

[classthe_king]

you guys are starting to piss me off

Soulja boy did not kill hip hop, if anything he helped expand it to a much stupider audience.

Waka is dope too, it takes a lot of balls to name urself that.