Waka/Gucci/Soulja etc don't "kill hiphop"

[FreeSpeech]

I almost never break down arguments because I find it annoying but since you insist on replying in dashes...

-What does that pic have to do with me?

You are an inverted underground fan. Gotcha...

-I pointed out Waka's sales to show that he doesn't have the dominance that a similarly skilled rapper would have had a mere 5 years ago.

The fact that he has any impact at all or as much radio play as he does is embarrassing. He is indeed cancer. Never in the history of any genre has there not been bad popular artists.

-Who is the worst group, OFWGKTA? Tyler, The Creator is the only one I've cosigned on here, other than one Frank Ocean song. I've said that I don't care for the rest of them.

My bad, you listen to the irritating leader of the worst rap group of all time. OFWGKTA is very overrated and overhyped, but Tyler is dope. Bastard was great, and he is a very good producer. He is a little overhyped though.

-"manufactured free speech"? I (almost never ) say shit just to piss people off or get a reaction. I believe everything I say. I post plenty of non-controversial topics, share dope new music, etc. Everything I say is written out and supported, I never justpost a one sentence thread designed to piss people off.

"Almost", implying that there are times where you do, and you just said in your last post that you make topics thinking "Hmm...Would this make people argue with me as much as *insert other option*? Regardless of whether or not you believe in it, you are making topics with the attitude that everyone will disagree with you. And by the by, I'm probably the only person who said you were in their top 10 posters. The majority of this forum is telling you to stop making topics, which I disagree with, because you're a good member, but I'm a supreme being.
Haha well thanks. I don't think everyone will disagree with me, just some people. And the "almost" refers to blatantly obvious "troll" posts, like me saying Em retired.

-Yes, my sig is 100% commercial artists. If you noticed, it says "who i'm listening to" on it. That is who I was bumping when I made it. I go in different runs, one week it very well could have had DZK, Tech N9ne, and Gravediggaz in it. I found Pink Friday awful, couldn't even finish it, but I had been to listening to some of Nicki's dope non-PF stuff so she made the list. I'll update it soon.

Are you going to sit there and tell me that you were listening to all 14 of those mainstream artists in your sig at the time, and you just happened to not be in the mood of ANY of the underground that you listen to? You just happened to conveniently remember 2Pac and T.I instead of Aesop Rock and DZK? Right.
Yes? That's who I was bumping that week. If I made it this week, I'd have Blu, Monch, Common, Kanye, Lupe, Wiz, and Biggie.

-Yes, I advocate mainstream because I feel like a lot (not all) of the people on here write a lot of it off as wack.

"Why bother fighting a losing battle"?
That's not a losing battle, I don't think it's very hard to see that the mainstream is full of dope music.

[Satire]

That is the most annoying fucking type of rebuttal to respond to. The quoting looks like a clusterfuck.

Never in the history of any genre has there not been bad popular artists.

The difference is they're 1 hit wonders who pass and go where as people actually look at Soulja Boy and Gucci Mane as examples of why rap is terrible, especially in this day and age where for some reason the huge stereotype is that all rap is about money and fucking bitches in their eyesockets until you have the ability to easily cum out of their ear. My point is they suck but they suck more than before and yet they're taken more seriously than someone like Vanilla Ice.

OFWGKTA is very overrated and overhyped, but Tyler is dope. Bastard was great, and he is a very good producer. He is a little overhyped though.

Bastard was boring tbh. He literally has the most irritating voice I've ever heard in rap music other than Canibus. Him & Earl sound like on-beat grime artists. The only Tyler The Creator song I've liked at all was Yonkers and maybe AssMilk.

Yes? That's who I was bumping that week. If I made it this week, I'd have Blu, Monch, Common, Kanye, Lupe, Wiz, and Biggie.

Lol, doubtful. You have nearly every half decent mainstream artist in your sig and it's been like that for months.

That's not a losing battle, I don't think it's very hard to see that the mainstream is full of dope music.

And it's easy to see that Wacka Flocka is horrible. And just like that: No one cares. Literally, the only person you're really talking to on this forum and the only person your "The mainstream is underrated omfg" attitude can be applied to is Class, and you know he's never going to change his mind. Look at the forum we're on and tell me that everyone hates the mainstream.

Haha well thanks.

Your welcome Mr. President.

[FreeSpeech]

The difference is they're 1 hit wonders who pass and go where as people actually look at Soulja Boy and Gucci Mane as examples of why rap is terrible, especially in this day and age where for some reason the huge stereotype is that all rap is about money and fucking bitches in their eyesockets until you have the ability to easily cum out of their ear. My point is they suck but they suck more than before and yet they're taken more seriously than someone like Vanilla Ice.

Guess you don't remember Master P, Jermaine Dupri, or 2 Live Crew? And you don't think rap was stereotyped as all about money and bitches before Waka, Gucci, and Soulja? Mainstream society is WAY more accepting of hip hop nowadays.

Bastard was boring tbh. He literally has the most irritating voice I've ever heard in rap music other than Canibus. Him & Earl sound like on-beat grime artists. The only Tyler The Creator song I've liked at all was Yonkers and maybe AssMilk.

Ok, cool if you don't like him. I think he's dope and has a great rap voice.

Lol, doubtful. You have nearly every half decent mainstream artist in your sig and it's been like that for months.

There are tons of good mainstream artists not in there. And yes, it has been that way for months. I don't exactly spend a lot of time caring about what is in my signature on some internet site.

And it's easy to see that Wacka Flocka is horrible. And just like that: No one cares. Literally, the only person you're really talking to on this forum and the only person your "The mainstream is underrated omfg" attitude can be applied to is Class, and you know he's never going to change his mind. Look at the forum we're on and tell me that everyone hates the mainstream.

Ehh whatever. I just think it's funny how people act like Waka is killing hiphop when he isn't at all. Hiphop will always have dope artists.

[Satire]

Guess you don't remember Master P, Jermaine Dupri, or 2 Live Crew? And you don't think rap was stereotyped as all about money and bitches before Waka, Gucci, and Soulja? Mainstream society is WAY more accepting of hip hop nowadays.

WAY MORE YOU SAY? HOLY SHIT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. THANKS FOR INFORMING ME BRO.

WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY MORE.

Hardly. The fanbase has grown but the people who don't listen to it think it's just as annoying as ever.
And yes, I know that stereotype has always been around. My point is they're strengthening that stereotype as Mike said and they're taken more seriously than someone like Master P.

Ok, cool if you don't like him. I think he's dope and has a great rap voice.

He's shitty.

There are tons of good mainstream artists not in there. And yes, it has been that way for months. I don't exactly spend a lot of time caring about what is in my signature on some internet site.

Name 7. Yes, 7 . Not 5 or 10, 7. and when I say mainstream, I mean the ones actually visible to the public of the mainstream, not up and comers like Yelawolf or Blu. I'm speaking actual radio artists here.

Ehh whatever. I just think it's funny how people act like Waka is killing hiphop when he isn't at all. Hiphop will always have dope artists.

Concession accepted and he is indeed destroying the genre with every fan he gets.

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Concession accepted and he is indeed destroying the genre with every fan he gets.

I know I'm a hypocrite cause I do this a lot, but this always makes me

[FreeSpeech]

Hardly. The fanbase has grown but the people who don't listen to it think it's just as annoying as ever.
And yes, I know that stereotype has always been around. My point is they're strengthening that stereotype as Mike said and they're taken more seriously than someone like Master P.

Master P was infinitely more popular, he had at least 3 platinum albums, No Limit was the Cash Money off the late 90s. Jermaine Dupri got nominated for a Grammy.

Name 7. Yes, 7 . Not 5 or 10, 7. and when I say mainstream, I mean the ones actually visible to the public of the mainstream, not up and comers like Yelawolf or Blu. I'm speaking actual radio artists here.

If you look at my signature, it's not all huge current mainstream artists. It has Tupac, Andre 3000, Nas, and J Cole, who is on about the same level as Yelawolf.

But...
1) Wiz Khalifa
2) 50 Cent
3) Dr. Dre
4) Cee-Lo
5) Lloyd Banks
6) Mac Miller (very visible, my whole campus bumps him) Replace him with Fabo if you want...
7) Rick Ross (on the level of Nicki)
Yes I have probably the most popular mainstream artists in my sig, that's who I was listening to. I don't get how it's relevant to anything. I'll make another one soon.

And to say Waka is destroying the genre is like saying a coke destroys your body. It obviously doesn't help it, but if you're putting enough healthy food in (Eminem, Kanye, Lupe, etc.) it doesn't really do any harm.

[Satire]

Hardly. The fanbase has grown but the people who don't listen to it think it's just as annoying as ever.
And yes, I know that stereotype has always been around. My point is they're strengthening that stereotype as Mike said and they're taken more seriously than someone like Master P.

Master P was infinitely more popular, he had at least 3 platinum albums, No Limit was the Cash Money off the late 90s. Jermaine Dupri got nominated for a Grammy.

Okay? He had more of an impact I acknowledge that. Wacka Flocka is definitely a more popular name than Master P right now, which is what we're discussing. I said he's taken more seriously than Master P now a days, which he is. The only thing you're really saying in this argument is that there were shitty artists in the 90s who were just as bad (Even though I'd much rather listen to Master P than Wacka), but I would be complaining about them too if they still existed today. Your entire basis is "why are we complaining about shitty music" BECAUSE IT'S SHITTY.

Name 7. Yes, 7 . Not 5 or 10, 7. and when I say mainstream, I mean the ones actually visible to the public of the mainstream, not up and comers like Yelawolf or Blu. I'm speaking actual radio artists here.
If you look at my signature, it's not all huge current mainstream artists. It has Tupac, Andre 3000, Nas, and J Cole, who is on about the same level as Yelawolf.

But...
1) Wiz Khalifa
2) 50 Cent
3) Dr. Dre
4) Cee-Lo
5) Lloyd Banks
6) Mac Miller (very visible, my whole campus bumps him)
7) Rick Ross (on the level of Nicki)
Yes I have probably the most popular mainstream artists in my sig, that's who I was listening to. I don't get how it's relevant to anything. I'll make another one soon.

Lloyd Banks is definitely not as popular as anyone in your sig except J. Cole. He had 1 hit and then fell off the face of the planet as the 2nd guy in G-unit again.

Rick Ross & Mac Miller both suck...

I'd love to hear an argument as to how Dr. Dre is still a good artist.

I'll give you 50 Cent, I guess.

I thought Wiz Khalifa was already in your sig tbh. I don't really care because his album was pretty shitty.

And I never said they were the "most popular", I said they were the best of what's on the radio, which is true, unless you want to deny that.

And to say Waka is destroying the genre is like saying a coke destroys your body. It obviously doesn't help it, but if you're putting enough healthy food in (Eminem, Kanye, Lupe, etc.) it doesn't really do any harm.

It's 10 times easier to find a Wacka Flocka fan in public than a Lupe fan. Plus, Soda is actually enjoyable to the people who swallow it despite the loss unlike shitty music. If anything Wacka & the idiots are the cuts, the good ones are the bandages. The point is you don't want to get a cut in the first place.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFiPANvxfDg&feature=channel_video_title

That actually sounds like something they would rap.

[8milestyle]

This thread gives me more respect for TR

As far as I'm concerned, these rappers are giving rap a bad name, but I'm not gonna hate. FreeSpeech laid out his argument well and I pretty much agree. Good rap (as most members of this forum know) exists elsewhere, and for now, I'm content with that. Hopefully technicality and better content works its way back into the mainstream