Kanye West > Eminem

[slimsoxshady]

I Need a Doctor >>>>> any track on MBDTF

[FreeSpeech]

Lol I like Kanye but sometimes defending him is hard when lyrically he is below average

Agree, he never was that good lyrically, just look at MBDTF, some good verses from him but nothing really special and just look at how every guest rapper killed him on his own tracks.

Explain how he isn't lyrically good? Almost every single one of his tracks is meaningful. If you want crazy multis and wordplay and punchlines spit double time, then no Kanye isn't for you. By those standards, Tupac and Biggie aren't good lyricists either.

I had a dream I can buy my way to heaven
When I awoke, I spent that on a necklace.
I told God I'd be back in a second,
Man it's so hard not to act reckless.
To whom much is given much is tested.
Get arrested, guess until, they get the message.
I feel the pressure, under more scrutiny,
and what I do? Act more stupidly.
bought more jewelry, more Louis V, my momma couldn't get through to me.
The drama, people suing me,
I'm on T.V. talking like it's just you and me.
I'm just saying how I feel man,
I ain't one of the Cosby's I ain't go to Hill man
I guess the money should've changed him,
I guess I should've forgot where I came from.

^How are those bad lyrics? That's nothing short of poetry.

[Unscarred]

I Need a Doctor >>>>> any track on MBDTF

So Appalled>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Encore, Relapse, Recovery.

[FreeSpeech]

-I'm black
-Kanye is loved by the black community, and he has tons of lyrics specifically written for the black community.
-Who cares if "middle class white boys" like Kanye? White people buy the vast majority of all hip hop. The only rappers who don't have a majority white middleclass fanbase are dudes who have no real career outside of their hood.

Kanye is a white man's rapper G, let's leave it at that.

Explain. He does nothing to cater to white listeners other than dress respectably. His albums feature Black Baptist choirs. He tried to paint himself as a black Jesus Christ (I don't support him on that...). He said Bush didn't care about black people, on nationa TV.

What race are you anyway, if you're gonna talk on this?

[MikeNUFC]

The problem with the lines isn't that they haven't got crazy multies or wordplay - it's that they're cliched and unoriginal.

[Satire]

-I'm black
-Kanye is loved by the black community, and he has tons of lyrics specifically written for the black community.
-Who cares if "middle class white boys" like Kanye? White people buy the vast majority of all hip hop. The only rappers who don't have a majority white middleclass fanbase are dudes who have no real career outside of their hood.

Kanye is a white man's rapper G, let's leave it at that.

Explain. He does nothing to cater to white listeners other than dress respectably. His albums feature Black Baptist choirs. He tried to paint himself as a black Jesus Christ (I don't support him on that...). He said Bush didn't care about black people, on nationa TV.

What race are you anyway, if you're gonna talk on this?

He's fat and white. I would show you but I'd get banned again.

That being said Kanye isn't an amazing lyricist but he definitely has some quotables and has great charisma on the microphone. His first album was great and when I occasionally listen to Twisted Fantasy I enjoy it.

[stillmatic]

I Need a Doctor >>>>> any track on MBDTF

lol.

Are we also really nitpicking lyrics from a bridge on the album to prove how crap Kanye is lyrically? Lol.

The Taylor Swift thing really hurt the rednecks. Get em, 'Ye.

[FreeSpeech]

The problem with the lines isn't that they haven't got crazy multies or wordplay - it's that they're cliched and unoriginal.

Examples?

Ye's delivery is 100% original, no one raps like him.

[Unscarred]

Lol I like Kanye but sometimes defending him is hard when lyrically he is below average

Agree, he never was that good lyrically, just look at MBDTF, some good verses from him but nothing really special and just look at how every guest rapper killed him on his own tracks.

Explain how he isn't lyrically good? Almost every single one of his tracks is meaningful. If you want crazy multis and wordplay and punchlines spit double time, then no Kanye isn't for you. By those standards, Tupac and Biggie aren't good lyricists either.

You answered your own question, like i said he's average. But i never said that he's bad, i actually enjoy a lot of his music. I've probably mentioned this hundred times on this forum but the thing i hate the most is when people mention him as the same calibre as Em, Jay and Nas or they say he's better than those guys, when he's actually years behind them, thats all.

[FreeSpeech]

You answered your own question, like i said he's average. But i never said that he's bad, i actually enjoy a lot of his music. I've probably mentioned this hundred times on this forum but the thing i hate the most is when people mention him as the same calibre as Em, Jay and Nas or they say he's better than those guys, when he's actually years behind them, thats all.

That doesn't make someone average, by those standards, Tupac and Biggie are average. Eminem is my GOAT, so I won't contest that. Nas is a better lyricist, but to me Kanye has much more enjoyable music. Prime lyrical Jay > Kanye, but I prefer Kanye. And Kanye is more consistant, he doesn't have a bad rap album (I like 808's, but it's not a factor in this discussion). Neither Em, Jay, or Nas have as good/consistent of a streak as Kanye. Kanye is 4/4 with amazing albums.

[FreeSpeech]

NONE of the songs on Kanye's new album are "rapping" songs. Every song (pretty much) has more singing than rapping. He isn't even a rapper anymore.

The verse I picked isn't a bridge (nice excuse though). It's a RAP verse. It's the only rap verse on that song, so it should be judged as a rap verse.

The only songs without significant amounts of rapping are All Of The Lights Interlude, Blame Game, Lost In The World, and Who Will Survive in America, and 2 of those are skits/interludes. The "Kanye doesn't rap on MBDTF" is nothing short of a lie. Yes, there are extended periods of music like in Runaway, but that doesn't mean he raps any less. Listen to the album or just google the lyrics, you'll see he actually does rap on it.
If you're gonna be nitpicky, yes it was a "rap verse". That only shows how narrow your views are. Why confine an artist to a genre or format? It's an amazing album.

And the point I was making is that Kanye West is about as poetic as a tea spoon.

Again, you're proving your ignorance. It doesn't take a genius to listen to his lyrics and realize most of them contain deep meaning. Anyone who selects random lyrics can make an artist look bad. The Katy Perry comparison is completely unbased, he doesn't deliver it in the same way, and it doesn't contain the same meaning at all. If you can't see the whole concept/metaphor of MBDTF, I really don't know what else to say. You're stupid.

definitely can. Bob Dylan, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Don McLean... these are all good lyricists (IMO) who don't rhyme more than one syllable most of the time.

You picked no hiphop artists. Obviously they won't have multis moron. You're arguments are full of fallacies and faulty reasoning.

[Unscarred]

Eminem is my GOAT, so I won't contest that. Nas is a better lyricist, but to me Kanye has much more enjoyable music. Prime lyrical Jay > Kanye, but I prefer Kanye. And Kanye is more consistant, he doesn't have a bad rap album (I like 808's, but it's not a factor in this discussion). Neither Em, Jay, or Nas have as good/consistent of a streak as Kanye. Kanye is 4/4 with amazing albums.

Im not judging him only by this standards, also flow, delivery and his voice is sometimes irritating . Its clear we have some differen taste thats all, you just find him more enjoyably i get it. About his albums streak, i completly dissagree i think nobody can take that from Em, but thats just my opinion

[classthe_king]

If you aren't Eminem or affiliated with him then you suck!

[Kez]

You're not trolling, you're just annoying

[Kez]

You're not trolling, you're just annoying

No, I'm not trolling. In the OP, I was sarcastically making fun of Kanye's awful lyrics.

Yeah but don't you think all these "troll" threads are getting a bit old?