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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Apr 24th, '11, 19:05

Kez wrote:Yeah Class fair enough DA is the one who engaged you in the first place, which is fair enough but you always seem to feel the need to make everything personal; bragging about how you're a "better rapper" than him and then you decide to start insulting him about him supposedly having aspergers. I mean even if he did it's pretty fucking stupid to bring that kind of shit into it. Until then you were perfectly fine. And lol, you "got attacked"? I didn't see anyone mentioning your personal life like you just did to DA.

Devil'sAdvocate wrote:the top 3 disses in hip hop to me are:

1:Quitter
2:Ether
3:Hit Em Up


lol DA i'm sorry but your tastes are so so mainstream. You couldn't have picked three more obvious ones. Just sayin'


Those 3 disses are the best disses,all extremely personal and vicious,who gives a fuck what class thinks.

he is very innocent,he never done shit.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby dead prez » Apr 24th, '11, 19:32

FreeSpeech wrote:...yeah I do, it's attacking the validity of someone instead of their actual argument. WHich you yourself do frequently. Give yourself a pat on the back, you have a fundamental understanding of 9th grade english.


Now point out when I have ever disregarded somebody else's opinion because of who they are or where they come form. You see insulting somebody in a debate is not an ad hominem, but trying to discredit somebody else's opinion on the genre because they're a "nerd" or come from another country is so nice try, buddy.
I didn't say he wasn't lyring, I said it couldn't be PROVED he wasn't lying. Big difference. When I said he wasn't bullshitting, I meant from Biggie's perspective, so I see the confusion.

FreeSpeech wrote:Pac wasn't bullshitting saying he fucked his wife.


Welp, sorry there's no squirming out of this one. No you're trying to shift the burden of proof because you got exposed as an idiot who has no clue what he's taling about.

Congrats, how bout you print off one of your posts and have your mom put it on the fridge?


You do know you're losing all credibility in this forum with insults like this right? ( Not that you had any to begin with)

You do know the only thing worse than this is threatening me over the internet, penis jokes, and your mother jokes, right?
Yeah it's not as personal, but it still is. Saying a whole coast is wack insinuates a specific rapper is wack. Basically, good beef should start from something, unlike a youtube rapper (*class' blood pressure rises*) like Copywrite writing a diss out of nowhere for attention.


Still not "personal" where they're lives were involved or anything between the two happened outside of wax. You can say I'm dawdling on semantics, but you should have clarified yourself with "personal", so you pretty much shot yourself in the foor with that example.


The whole thing was about who had the most hype in real life. Being that I lived in real life America, I was able to see/hear firsthand how hyped Wayne was back then. So, according to you, I can know how hiphop culture in NYC was in the early 90s better than someone who was there because I can google shit? No.


So faulty anecdotal evidence basically? Why should we take your word for it, when we can just look this shit up online to validify any ambiguities we may have.
No, you try to twist words and attack people's writing instead of their argument. Here's a concession: I don't really care THAT much about TRShady that I proofread what I type. I'm POSITIVE i'll end up typing something wrong/wording things wrong at times. I bet you feel all tingly inside whenever you can pounce on an error.


Where have I ever twisted your words? If you mean correct you on your stupidity fine, but don't think for a minute this is exclusive to you and don't for a second think that this is me taking this personal, as I'd do this to anyone who types garbage, that I disagree with.

I'm pretty sure I've bitch slapped YOU in every debate. Ohhhh who's statement do we go off? The thread I made about you was when you were being fairly unargumentative and being a valuable contributor. Look at what we're arguing over now: we both thing Hit Em Up is viscious, you're a moron.


Oh really? Your this forum's bitch, everyone pimped you and made you look like a total imbecile when you argued with them. (Stillmatic, Me, Class, Satire)

-You're an asshole for calling him out for having aspberger's, that's fucked up.


And you agreed that he was a retard in that other thread, so don't come off at me with a holier than thou attitude.
-This was talking about effects on Black culture, not actual hiphop knowledge. Being a part of the culture being talked about, yes I can probably speak on it better than Class.


So you just admitted Black Culture=/= Hip Hop culture, so why are you putting on some pedestal as if you can speak for Hip Hop and he can't?
-Show me where I even mentioned pain? I didn't. But yeah, I doubt class' grandparents had to stand on buses and got called ni ggers on a daily basis. I doubt class' family had to move because his dad's boss refused to promote him, when white guys 10 years younger and way worse at their jobs were promoted constantly. I doubt when class had to give a presentation in elementary school on what he wanted to be, his asshole teacher laughed before he even spoke and asked "well, what're you gonna do to stay out of jail?" So yeah, maybe you're right.


None of this has anything to do with Hip Hop, and you have no idea what our lives are like so don't even for a second think you can play the sympathy card with us.

Black culture doesn't equal hip hop culture dumbshit. I've never put myself on a pedestal or been snobby about it. You act like I refer to myself as some godly "African American", no I've said I'm black and that's it.


Really your quotes above contradict this statement.
How is that a bad post? Everyone on this board doesn't have the same amount of knowledge or experience. A lot of people are here simply because they liked Recovery. I really like that song, so I thought I'd share. Does everything really piss you off THAT much?


I never said it was a bad post, just that you made stupid trivia threads that anyone who isn't an idiot can look up for themselves. But you decided to take it a step further and edjucate us, as if we're serfs and landless peasants needing to be enlightened.
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Oh gee wilikers Mr. Genius, can ya explain to my po' dumb self? Iz didn't pass mah words classes.

I did on the first quote but nice attempt at being witty and failing miserably.

You fucking idiot, the quote below is the epitome of ad hominem. Not taking you seriously because I assume you're a little bitch is a PERFECT example.


So you are an internet tough guy, good job.

When did I say that I could kick your ass? And even if I did, you posted a pic of your body, it's not like your face would make a difference unless you've got some unicorn horn you're gonna gore me with. I just think it's funny you won't post a pic, probaly because we won't take you seriously. Oh well.


-That was three years ago.
-I never bragged about my life or claimed to be some alpha male that directly contradicts my posting style
- It's an inside joke between me, Satire, and MC that we won't post out pics until another one does, it has nothing to this forum t with me giving shit about what this forum thinks about me.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby classthe_king » Apr 24th, '11, 19:37

Well then you were wrong.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby Master Chief » Apr 24th, '11, 19:38

FreeSpeech always obtaining them personal classics.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby stillmatic » Apr 25th, '11, 01:51

Who is Copywrite?

Seriously.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby Satire » Apr 25th, '11, 01:53

stillmatic wrote:Who is Copywrite?

Seriously.


Some jealous, bitter old man rapper with bummy swagger and an annoying voice.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby stillmatic » Apr 25th, '11, 02:17

There's also two types of disses.

There's the one where the track possesses skill and execution which is a lyrical assault and there's the type of hard hitting disses which is personal and is an overall slaughter fest on the others character.

Neither is better than the other. One is much more subtle and takes a lot of skill to execute, and the other holds absolutely nothing back.

Both have been apart of hip hop's history, so for anyone to try and discredit either approach is silly.

For example, 50 Cent is one of the best diss artists of all time in hip hop. He doesn't do it subtley, he has never gone all out a lyrical attack, he simply has a great ability to really get the other artist to react in a way they normally don't, he hits the heart perfectly. You can say it's easy, cheap, no, it's all mental and requires a killer mentality.

If anyone knows anything about the LOX, they would know they are one of the most respected in hip hop, and one of the most humble who don't do much in the public eye.

So they went at 50 with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sdS87JdUSo

So 50 came back with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUdYq8J2C3g

And got them to do react like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjBWCfLiX3g

You tell me who won?
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby FreeSpeech » Apr 25th, '11, 02:22

Satire wrote:
stillmatic wrote:Who is Copywrite?

Seriously.


Some jealous, bitter old man rapper with bummy swagger and an annoying voice.

...so Class in 20 years, plus some actual skill?
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby Satire » Apr 25th, '11, 02:23

FreeSpeech wrote:
Satire wrote:
stillmatic wrote:Who is Copywrite?

Seriously.


Some jealous, bitter old man rapper with bummy swagger and an annoying voice.

...so Class in 20 years, plus some actual skill?


That would be funny if I hadn't used that joke 30 times before.

Once again with the swagger jacking. I'm sick of you obsessing over me like this.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby FreeSpeech » Apr 25th, '11, 02:26

Satire wrote:
FreeSpeech wrote:...so Class in 20 years, plus some actual skill?


That would be funny if I hadn't used that joke 30 times before.

Haha I hadn't seen it.

stillmatic wrote:If anyone knows anything about the LOX, they would know they are one of the most respected in hip hop, and one of the most humble who don't do much in the public eye.

Damn I remember when those disses came out, they really got me into Styles P. For sure some of my favorite disses. Ms Jackson is hilarious haha.

I do disagree with you saying neither style of diss is better. To me, the direct heartless diss is FAR better, especially when it's real personal.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby classthe_king » Apr 25th, '11, 02:30

stillmatic wrote:Who is Copywrite?

Seriously.


He came up in the Columbus battle scene in the 90's. He got signed to The High N Mighty's Record label and did a bunch of stuff with Cage and The Weathermen before starting his own label recently.
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Re: Most viscious disses in hip hop?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Apr 25th, '11, 13:11

stillmatic wrote:There's also two types of disses.

There's the one where the track possesses skill and execution which is a lyrical assault and there's the type of hard hitting disses which is personal and is an overall slaughter fest on the others character.

Neither is better than the other. One is much more subtle and takes a lot of skill to execute, and the other holds absolutely nothing back.

Both have been apart of hip hop's history, so for anyone to try and discredit either approach is silly.

For example, 50 Cent is one of the best diss artists of all time in hip hop. He doesn't do it subtley, he has never gone all out a lyrical attack, he simply has a great ability to really get the other artist to react in a way they normally don't, he hits the heart perfectly. You can say it's easy, cheap, no, it's all mental and requires a killer mentality.

If anyone knows anything about the LOX, they would know they are one of the most respected in hip hop, and one of the most humble who don't do much in the public eye.

So they went at 50 with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sdS87JdUSo

So 50 came back with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUdYq8J2C3g

And got them to do react like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjBWCfLiX3g

You tell me who won?


50 killed them.
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