Religious Cop Outs

[VenomBlackViper]

haha! its the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!

its legit!!
http://www.venganza.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Holy fuck that is great
I didn't even know about any of this though i've heard people refer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster & being Pastafarian before.

[momentsgolden]

I am against some things from the Catholic church,I really think that the Catholic Church is partly to blame for the bad name of religion.doing things like trying to ban condoms,they just don´t evolve...
that's what I mean when I say that religion does not bother me while it doesnt affect me and others.
because e.g.if condoms were banned would be a big problem for many people,right?

there are many double standards in the Catholic Church as well,seems you can do a lot of bad things if after that you go to confess your sins,and of course you will be forgiven

Being informed of the basis of rules and not just rules themselves would help understand the "double standards. Ok, the condoms one... unless if you are talking of a married couple who want to use condoms for contraception (which i doubt you are) then you have a point. BUT, by agreeing to the general use of condoms the church indirectly endorses premarital sex, promiscuity etc. Its not there to say how people live but rather how people SHOULD live

If you sin and "repent" like you just highlighted, its not a gatepass to heaven in the least. Its hypocritical and spiritually disgusting. No wonder Jesus (if you know a lil bit about the bible) gave the example of the Tax-collector and the Pharisee.

[Epidemik]

haha! its the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!

its legit!!
http://www.venganza.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Holy fuck that is great
I didn't even know about any of this though i've heard people refer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster & being Pastafarian before.

Ya its great! it pisses religious nuts off because they can't prove its made up. just like any religion. lol

p.s. sorry cuz i know this is supposed to be "serious debate" but i just had to add the spaghetti monster as it works great for most religious debates lol

[Guess_Who]

Ok, the condoms one... unless if you are talking of a married couple who want to use condoms for contraception (which i doubt you are) then you have a point. BUT, by agreeing to the general use of condoms the church indirectly endorses premarital sex, promiscuity etc. Its not there to say how people live but rather how people SHOULD live.

wait...what?I hope I´m misunderstanding you because of my bad english ,but are against the general use of condoms?
and whats wrong with premarital sex??? we are in 2011
promiscuity??if someone wants to cheat will cheat with condom or without it...at least cheat healthy.
condom ban is a nonsense,while the church continue doing things like that will be criticized...what about AIDS and other STDs?Church knows it,right?

[momentsgolden]

^Yeah, i'm against the church ENDORSING condoms not against their use. Hey, i know about AIDS and shit- lots of people i know suffer from it and its painful. But, (people having DIFFERENT beliefs) a good number of people I know think premarital sex/ sex in a short term relationship/ promiscuity etc are MORALLY wrong yet cannot be avoided. For THE CHURCH, who's primary role is to show whats right or wrong to allow condom use would be bad... real bad.

[Guess_Who]

^Hey, i know about AIDS and shit- lots of people i know suffer from it and its painful.

I think the church should support the use of condoms.especially in countries like yours,where the percentage of AIDS is high.Cause as you said its painful.

For THE CHURCH, who's primary role is to show whats right or wrong to allow condom use would be bad... real bad.

whats wrong with using condoms? to avoid disease?
like I said if someone wants to cheat will cheat with or without condom...or not?
what about abandoned babies?

we are in 2011 and the church must evolve f they want to be credible.

[momentsgolden]

we are in 2011 and the church must evolve f they want to be credible.

Credible? More like sell-out. Hey, like i said, Religious stuff can never be debated successfully without agreeing on a few basics. So, i'll ask, is it right or wrong for the church to endorse premarital sex, promiscuity etc? Why?

[Guess_Who]

Credible? More like sell-out. Hey, like i said, Religious stuff can never be debated successfully without agreeing on a few basics. So, i'll ask, is it right or wrong for the church to endorse premarital sex, promiscuity etc? Why?

but what is so wrong with premarital sex??? tell me....because I dont understand.

promiscuity, tell me do you really really think ban condoms is the solution of promiscuity????? think about it....


know which is the only institution that does not evolve through the centuries? I tell you : The church.

but we could spend hours discussing this and not get anywhere

[momentsgolden]

but we could spend hours discussing this and not get anywhere

i will never be able to convince you to be catholic and neither do i want to. But i could show you WHY we do what we do so you could judge wether i'm stupid, poor and hopeless like someone suggested.

but what is so wrong with premarital sex??? tell me....because I dont understand.

The church does not use what people do now to say whats wrong or right. It uses biblical principles and all the other material made to make clear what the bible says. If you dont believe the bible, its impossible to proceed from there. It'll be a "bible debate" and that really takes time to go through.

In the bible, sex in not necessarily a marrigae thing but a sacred act either way. So, the church has now INTERPRETED that sacred act as only suitable to marriage and as such anything outside marriage is spiritually/ morally wrong.

[vt_x_spider]

Religious people are the missing link between apes and real human beings.

[Guess_Who]

i will never be able to convince you to be catholic and neither do i want to. But i could show you WHY we do what we do so you could judge wether i'm stupid, poor and hopeless like someone suggested.

I will not call you stupid,poor or hopeless ,even if i disagree with you ,thats not my style...
and I know what the Bible says,I studied in a Catholic school,but considering the era in which it was written I doubt it says something about condoms...

In the bible, sex in not necessarily a marrigae thing but a sacred act either way. So, the church has now INTERPRETED that sacred act as only suitable to marriage and as such anything outside marriage is spiritually/ morally wrong.

and what happens if you dont want to married??
and if you marry...can you use contraceptive methods? I mean unless you are very chaste..as you can not use it,how many kids will you have? 10?
and what about gays?? oh gays...they are sick according to the church...
and what about the priests who abuse children?lots of those in my country.

personally I think is nice if you believe in god,but brainwashing if you blindly believe everything the church says,because many of these things are hurting people,like your friends with AIDS.
Mayans also believed that the world would end next year.
but as I said this is an endless debate...but I must say that I´m pretty sure that the church and the bible don´t agree with eminem,and if they could they would ban him , sooo what are you doing here???? see you in hell!!!

[momentsgolden]

and I know what the Bible says,I studied in a Catholic school,but considering the era in which it was written I doubt it says something about condoms...

it doesnt say condoms implicitly but does say something about the other vices you'll have to commit to NEED to use them[/quote]

and what happens if you dont want to married??
and if you marry...can you use contraceptive methods? I mean unless you are very chaste..as you can not use it,how many kids will you have? 10?

If you dont want to marry... the church says be a priest! lol but, u could still just change church and go to a New age one with a name along the lines of Holy Ghost

and what about gays?? oh gays...they are sick according to the church...
and what about the priests who abuse children?lots of those in my country.

The church is flawed and i'll NEVER defend it and or its representatives like the priests/pope. But i believe some of the principles and YES, gay people are "sick". Illegal in my country too.. YAY!

but as I said this is an endless debate...but I must say that I´m pretty sure that the church and the bible don´t agree with eminem,and if they could they would ban him , sooo what are you doing here???? see you in hell!!!

eh, Dre, give me a HELL YEAH! I aint pure by any standards so not like i can stop now. lol seriously though, i dont like Eminem's older material and HATED Relapse so the Eminem i like is cool with the church. TES, 8 Mile and Re-up alone are .

[classthe_king]

Saying God can't be real cause something had to make him argument is stupid because if that logic was true than the universe can't be real cause something had to make that. I'm pretty sure that Athiests and Christians can both agree that no one has any fucking clue how the first thing was made and why there is anything at all.

[Spyder]

Saying God can't be real cause something had to make him argument is stupid because if that logic was true than the universe can't be real cause something had to make that. I'm pretty sure that Athiests and Christians can both agree that no one has any fucking clue how the first thing was made and why there is anything at all.

arguments a fail, "god" would be a life form of some sort who controls things and lives in an aspect, something would have to make him up. an ever present matter may make a universe but still i dont get that either, thats why it called Big Bang "Theory" cause theyre guessing.

no one knows how we got here

[momentsgolden]

no one knows how we got here

Except Christians