Joe Budden Vs. Arsonal

[ThomasAguanis]

Arsonal dropped a track earlier, but 1st, some back story, as I believe it happened.

Arsonal is a battle rapper from New Jersey. He's known for battling in GrindTime, URL, etc. If you're into battle rap, you know who Ars is. If you're not into battles, I doubt you've ever heard of him.

As lame as it sounds, I believe this started over twitter. Ars kept hitting Joe up for a verse, but Joe never gave him one. Ars also invited Joe to a NJ cypher, but Joe didn't show. Fast forward a few months and Ars starts tweet dissing Joe. They go back and forth on some stupid shit. It seems over, but is it? Of course not. It's just getting started.

Round 1
Joe throws shots at Ars on Spring Training. It leaked on May 5th.


Ars responds with Spring Cleanin' the next day.


Where will this go next? It could be a good battle. If anything else needs explaining, I'll try my best to provide the information/explanation requested.

[Block]

I've watched a lot of ars' battles.. Dude's good but I don't think he can fuck with joey. Just look at ransom letter...

[ThomasAguanis]

The Ransom beef was a bit different. Joe and Ran basically came up together and knew each other for years. I'm not sure of Ars and Joe's history. Apparently Joe is tight with Ars' brother so maybe something like ransom note will come out of it. Either way, I still don't think Ars has a chance of winning. Not many, if any, rappers can fuck with Joe when it comes to diss records. It's still entertaining in the end though.

[UzaKING]

Not many, if any, rappers can fuck with Joe when it comes to diss records

I just realized that youre from the same city as Buddens
no wonder you were hating on that Canibus' diss so much earlier..

[ThomasAguanis]

I'm from the same state as Joe, but not the same city.
Also, I wasn't really haring on the Canibus record, I was just pointing out that it was not nearly as good as other artists' diss records towards Joe. Ransom and Saigon said the same shit Canibus did, but said it way better. Canibus' record was trash as far as diss records are concerned. Arsonal's record is harder hitting than Canibus' is. There's really no questioning that.

Also, look at the history of Joe's diss records. They're brutal. Saigon even admitted this himself. I stand by my statement. No one is fucking with Joe when it comes to making diss records. Few can.

[Block]

I'm from the same state as Joe, but not the same city.
Also, I wasn't really haring on the Canibus record, I was just pointing out that it was not nearly as good as other artists' diss records towards Joe. Ransom and Saigon said the same shit Canibus did, but said it way better. Canibus' record was trash as far as diss records are concerned. Arsonal's record is harder hitting than Canibus' is. There's really no questioning that.

Also, look at the history of Joe's diss records. They're brutal. Saigon even admitted this himself. I stand by my statement. No one is fucking with Joe when it comes to making diss records. Few can.

I approve this message.

[UzaKING]

I listened to Buddens and Canibus' diss to each other and so far I would say Bis is winning..
And do you really think that was the best Canibus can do?
All that twitter BS Royce and Budden started, then started talking about they wouldnt even diss bus on wax after doing it for days online. It seems to me that Canibus is obviously begging for a response from them.

[Block]

It seems to me that Canibus is obviously begging for a relevant artist to notice him.

I fixed your post for you.

[UzaKING]

It seems to me that Canibus is obviously begging for a relevant artist to notice him.

I fixed your post for you.

How can that be true when he didn't even start the beef? Was he up on twitter taking shots at fake accs? No. Was Royce still dissing him after finding out the accs fake? Yes. What the hell was he supposed to do? Sit and do nothing while some guys are talking shit online?

And what do you consider relevant? Record sells? Well im pretty sure Canibus has sold more then Royce and Joe combined. But thats not my opinion of relevant in music because im not a fan of most mainstream rap.

[Block]

Are you serious? Canibus hasn't been relevant since like 02, lol...

And sold more than joey? Let alone joey AND royce? Kid what the fuck did I just read? You're crazy.

mainstream doesn't equal relevance. Relevant music equals relevance. (and fyi, slaughterhouse only just got signed major this year) canibus is signed to a fucking internet label that is run out pof dzk's basement. Who, coincidently, has never made money from music. Tell me who is relevant...

Fuck outta here with that "herr hurr derp I don't listen to mainstream. Underground all the way dawgz" you fucking fool.

[UzaKING]

Are you serious? Canibus hasn't been relevant since like 02.?

Really and how long has Joe been relevant? A few months? And hes not even relevant in mainstream rap at all. Without Em both of them would be in the same boat as Canibus

And sold more than joey? Let alone joey AND royce? Kid what the fuck did I just read? You're crazy.

Im crazy? Really so tell me how much has Joey and Royce sold? Obviously you don't know wtf you're talking about.


Fuck outta here with that "herr hurr derp I don't listen to mainstream. Underground all the way dawgz" you fucking fool.

When did I say I didn't listen to mainstream? I don't listen to as much mainstream rap as I use to, but I still listen to rappers that im a fan of. I am on an Eminem website after all.
And why do you have to call me a fucking fool for saying my opinion? Did I say something to offend you?

[Devil'sAdvocate]

joey will kick this dudes ass.

he dont want it on the mic with joey,dude never lost a beef.

[Epidemik]

when it comes to an actual battle Ars may be better.... but when it comes to written battle tracks, joey kills him.

[Slim Fiasco]

Pat Stay would have bigger chances against Joe. I doubt Arsonal can cause any damage.

[Block]

Really and how long has Joe been relevant? A few months? And hes not even relevant in mainstream rap at all.

Kid... Seriously? There was a period after getting let go from Def Jam that joey didn't put out any music (04-07) since 07, with "The album before the album" Joey has been in the spotlight. MM1, MM2, MM3?? Relevant for only a few months? LOL.

Without Em both of them would be in the same boat as Canibus

You know absolutely NOTHING about hip hop. Literally. Nothing. You do realize that Canibus is "Signed" (LOLOLOL) to DZK's basement-dwelling internet-label, right? Joey was signed to Amelgom digital and reportedly made a 90k (I believe?) advance off his padded room album. When is the last time Canibus made 90k for ANYTHING? None of slaughterhouse NEEDED Eminem to make their money. They sure as hell wouldn't be where canibus is right now, without him.

Im crazy? Really so tell me how much has Joey and Royce sold? Obviously you don't know wtf you're talking about.

Crazy is subjective. I'm not sure if you're crazy or just plain retarded. And although the burden of proof lyes on the person who made the claims (you) let's think about this logically.. If canibus sold so many records, why did he have to resort to "signing" (LOLOLOL) with DZK and not making any money from anything at all? And don't give me that "HE doesn't care about moneys!!!" bullshit. Canibus has been trying to make it mainstream his whole fucking career. Nobody wants him because he's horrible. He's shit. His music is dick cheese.

When did I say I didn't listen to mainstream? I don't listen to as much mainstream rap as I use to, but I still listen to rappers that im a fan of. I am on an Eminem website after all.
And why do you have to call me a fucking fool for saying my opinion? Did I say something to offend you?

Because your opinion is wrong. Yes, you offend me. Your entire fucking aura offends me. Your opinions are annoying and wrong.