Beautiful

[Devil'sAdvocate]

I hate this song because of one thing,if Em didnt put it on relapse,our chance of getting relapse 2 couldve been higher.

[Kez]

I like Beautiful, and I like Relapse, but they are seperate. That's the problem.

Beautiful ruins the vibe of Relapse. Completely. It is the beginning of what Recovery would be; pandering to an audience that only recognises artists based on repeating a formula, a la Lady GaGa and Katy Perry kinda shit.

Relapse is awesome all the way through, then you get to fucking Beautiful and it just completely does not fit. Crack a Bottle was equally random, placed there only because they released it as a single after it got a good reception when it leaked, still uncertain about his comeback ability. Underground completes the destruction of the whole album's concept with an incredibly forced "faggoty faggoty faggoty", desperate to be controversial again. Even though rapping about setting newborn babies covered in formaldehyde on fire and eating the results of your wire hanger-using home abortions is probably as sick and controversial as you're gonna get.

I like the track. The sample is done great and reminds me of Sing For The Moment (which I think was intentional, to make it seem like a spiritual successor and trigger the familiarity in sheeps' brains that makes them buy music), the lyrics are pretty damn meh but I didn't mind the song. I don't think it's an amazing song by any means, but he has done much worse since.

It's funny that it was obviously made to be like a lot of previous "emotional" Em singles in order to be successful, and it flopped pretty hard. I think this is what prevented Relapse from being a totally awesome album. He doesn't go 100% in; still unsure about his return, he adds in songs that are pretty much copies of previous songs so he has something to fall back on. We Made You, the typical celebrity bashing song to a catchy chorus. Crack a Bottle, the Encore-style "we are the kings" bragging song. Beautiful, the "look how deep and emotional I am" song, and Underground, which fits into it's own category but is clearly trying to be Criminal and Still Don't Give a Fuck.

[momentsgolden]

I like Beautiful, and I like Relapse, but they are seperate. That's the problem.

Beautiful ruins the vibe of Relapse. Completely. It is the beginning of what Recovery would be; pandering to an audience that only recognises artists based on repeating a formula, a la Lady GaGa and Katy Perry kinda shit.

Relapse is awesome all the way through, then you get to fucking Beautiful and it just completely does not fit. Crack a Bottle was equally random, placed there only because they released it as a single after it got a good reception when it leaked, still uncertain about his comeback ability. Underground completes the destruction of the whole album's concept with an incredibly forced "faggoty faggoty faggoty", desperate to be controversial again. Even though rapping about setting newborn babies covered in formaldehyde on fire and eating the results of your wire hanger-using home abortions is probably as sick and controversial as you're gonna get.

I like the track. The sample is done great and reminds me of Sing For The Moment (which I think was intentional, to make it seem like a spiritual successor and trigger the familiarity in sheeps' brains that makes them buy music), the lyrics are pretty damn meh but I didn't mind the song. I don't think it's an amazing song by any means, but he has done much worse since.

It's funny that it was obviously made to be like a lot of previous "emotional" Em singles in order to be successful, and it flopped pretty hard. I think this is what prevented Relapse from being a totally awesome album. He doesn't go 100% in; still unsure about his return, he adds in songs that are pretty much copies of previous songs so he has something to fall back on. We Made You, the typical celebrity bashing song to a catchy chorus. Crack a Bottle, the Encore-style "we are the kings" bragging song. Beautiful, the "look how deep and emotional I am" song, and Underground, which fits into it's own category but is clearly trying to be Criminal and Still Don't Give a Fuck.

I dont know how many times i have to say this but... Beautiful is NOT fake. Its the REALEST song since he's fucking comeback!! How was it made could be the question? It was made staright after Rehab, in a dark place, channeling TRUE emotion and using music as an expression of self. I'd actually say, that (and the bonus tracks) is the ONLY real track on the album.

Eminem said it himself, most of Relapse is... not necessarily fake... but fictitious art. He clearly stated that the subject matter and execution were a joke. all that serial killer stuff was TRYING to rediscover past glory, not beautiful. How people could like Stay Wide Awake and hate Underground because of supposed "intentions" beats me. Whether rhymes are forced/ good/ bad etc is an opinion but these songs where made with a clear goal in mind- for Eminem to discover his artistic side.

Please, take the time to read- http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/ma ... ic-relapse

[Sekou]

I don't know but Beautiful has a rather depressing effect on me. Every time I listen to it, it automatically makes me sad or very thoughtful.
Just doesn't have an uplifting impact on me.

[Kez]

I dont know how many times i have to say this but... Beautiful is NOT fake. Its the REALEST song since he's fucking comeback!! How was it made could be the question? It was made staright after Rehab, in a dark place, channeling TRUE emotion and using music as an expression of self.

Yes I know the story behind it, thanks.

I'd actually say, that (and the bonus tracks) is the ONLY real track on the album.

Deja Vu's just as real, but it actually sounds good while doing it. Besides, real it may be but that doesn't automatically mean good.

Eminem said it himself, most of Relapse is... not necessarily fake... but fictitious art. He clearly stated that the subject matter and execution were a joke.

When did he say this? You do not make a whole album (and a whole OTHER album's worth of material) based around a concept for "a joke". What's wrong with fictitious art? He blew up off stuff like that with SSLP. Plus it's pretty hypocritical of you to criticise it for being fictitious and then go on to defend Underground of all songs against me

all that serial killer stuff was TRYING to rediscover past glory, not beautiful. How people could like Stay Wide Awake and hate Underground because of supposed "intentions" beats me.

You seriously just compared Stay Wide Awake with Underground? Stay Wide Awake isn't even a particular favourite of mine, but it has a narrative. The multis are impeccable. It fits on the album, which was my whole fucking point. If you had read my post properly and seen me say I like the song, it just doesn't fit on Relapse. Underground is just a bunch of things he wants to be shocking which aren't particularly shocking. If he wanted to close the album in a different direction by putting Deja Vu and Beautiful near the end, fair enough, but Underground is just random bullshit. What's it even about?

Whether rhymes are forced/ good/ bad etc is an opinion but these songs where made with a clear goal in mind- for Eminem to discover his artistic side.

How is he discovering his artistic side by rehashing something he's already done? I got no problem with him doing those type of songs; again, I like it. It just didn't FIT on the album. But as his aim was to make Relapse, you would think he would make the whole album that way instead of pussing out with a couple of "sure things" to back him up. And that is why I don't like the song's placement on the album. It feels fake, an executive decision done to try and guarantee sales, which completely saps the sentimental value of a song he wrote while in rehab at a low point and turns it into something artificial.

Please, take the time to read- http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/ma ... ic-relapse

Lmao don't act like I don't know about Em. Just, seriously. You will make yourself look an idiot.

[momentsgolden]

Deja Vu's just as real, but it actually sounds good while doing it. Besides, real it may be but that doesn't automatically mean good.

Like i said, good or bad is an opinion. What i attack is the "It's funny that it was obviously made to be like a lot of previous "emotional" Em singles in order to be successful, and it flopped pretty hard" statements which make it out to be fake.

When did he say this? You do not make a whole album (and a whole OTHER album's worth of material) based around a concept for "a joke". What's wrong with fictitious art? He blew up off stuff like that with SSLP.

Angry Blonde quote about Slim Shady in general "This is for people who read too much into what i say when at the end of the day... its all a joke" And in a latter Interview after Relapse "The joke was over — I ran it into the ground" Obviously, this is more serious so i called it fictitious art. Its not wrong. In fact, its impressive for some people. Just tryna point that out.

Plus it's pretty hypocritical of you to criticise it for being fictitious and then go on to defend Underground of all songs against me

Underground and Stay wide awake share a common intention- an attempt to recreate old glory. One is executed well, one not so well (in YOUR opinion ) But that doesnt change the "trying to be" aspect of both.

How is he discovering his artistic side by rehashing something he's already done? I got no problem with him doing those type of songs; again, I like it. It just didn't FIT on the album.

He wrote Wee Wee, Goat and a universally panned album Encore. He is in writer's block. Its common human nature to "relapse" to old habits so as to "re-discover" oneself. The WHOLE album is a rehashing of something he already did. To quote Eminem himself "." I don't feel like I need to reinvent myself, I feel like I just need to go back to doing what made me me in the first place" and how he listened to the SSLP, MMLP loads of times at that time as well.

Lmao don't act like I don't know about Em. Just, seriously. You will make yourself look an idiot.

You do know him... just not as much as you think. Obviously.

[Wreck]

The Reaching Out sample is perfect for the tone of the song, and the outro in Beautiful is amazing, and inspiring

And to the rest of the World, God gave you them shoes to fit you, so put 'em on & wear em, and be yourself man, be proud of yourself, and even if it sounds corny, don't let nobody tell you you aint beautiful.

But this shit at the end of the 3rd verse, and the 3rd verse in general gives me chills, especially this...

I just wanted to fit in
At every single place
Every school I went
I dreamed of being that cool kid
Even if it meant acting stupid
Aunt Edna always told me keep makin' that face until it gets stuck like that
Meanwhile I'm just standin' there holding my tongue tryna talk like this
'Til I stuck my tongue on that frozen stop sign pole at 8 years old
I learned my lesson then cause I wasn't tryna impress my friends no more

Incredible. Aunt Edna I believed died last year right, before his Letterman interview & performance w/ Jay-Z, that's why he looked down/depressed. She was like his mother it seemed. True emotion coming from the heart in that 3rd verse, I love that about hip hop.

[Wreck]

Good article about Aunt Edna, her husband Charles, and the impact they had on him as a youth in Missouri.

http://www.universalmetropolis.com/city ... adid=11461

I was wrong, she died around around May of 2004 when the interview was published. I forget who died last year, but it's on the tip of my tongue.