Gears of War >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halo

[Master Chief]

The 3 year gap has nothing to do with strategy ^ and if it does, Bungie is the dumbest company ever. I believe that time is for development, as most good game companies take a break after release, then they enter a pre-production mode for their new title, writing, rendering, etc, then the development/direction stage, etc, debugging, etc. That could take over 5 years depending on the engine and scale.

I think the same as you. I think it's an unplanned strategy (or so I like to call it). Halo is a game that they take their time to create but at they same time they also provide a gap to make fans starve for the game to drop for 3 years instead of releasing Halos every single year which would decrease demand for the product. But, it IS mostly due to development, yes.

I guarantee it has little to do with strategy to control their market. Halo is popular, but it's not because of marketing, it's because it's a game that a lot of people enjoy. They don't need a scheme, they have a nitch.

I agree with this.

Also, the metacritic reviews you posted are irrelevant, because Black Ops to me (and most people I know) was a below average shooter with cookie cutter appeal, yet it was rated 9.5-10 by many, MANY, MAAAAANY critics. Critic reviews for major games are meaningless for the most part, hell, I remember a producer from IGN mentioning how many game companies pay critics with information in exchange for positive reviews (which those critic sites need to stay in the lead).

It was just a post to prove that Halo is very critically acclaimed and not just good for our generation. I literally have no other way of proving it. I'm not stating like "critics say it's an A game therefore it is", I'm just supporting my argument. Besides sales and critics, the only way is interviewing people or gathering people's opinions which I'm obviously not gonna do lol.

[Blu]

So the moral of the story today kids is...


GOW > Halo

That's all your opinion, Menzo.
I think Halo > GOW.
And I'm not asking for a big argument, that's all just my opinion.
But to be honest I don't think we should be comparing the two, GOW isn't really an FPS shooter. A comparison of COD vs. Halo would make more sense.

[Master Chief]

I could really use back up in this argument lol. Is there really no other big Halo fan on TR? If I ever meet someone who is they will automatically become my best friend on this forum.

[Blu]

I could really use back up in this argument lol. Is there really no other big Halo fan on TR? If I ever meet someone who is they will automatically become my best friend on this forum.

All these people that are hating on Halo have never experienced the full series. They've seen Halo: Reach and immediately think it's a gay, rip-off of COD with dudes in giant suits running around. That's not anywhere close to what Halo actually is. All of you who don't like Halo, go play the first few games, and I guarantee your opinion will change. And by first few games I mean Halo: Combat Evolved, and Halo 2. Imo those are the best Halo games.

[dead prez]

Halo is stale. I don't care to read anyone's argument on the subject because I'm simply stating factual information. Halo is successful because it's good at doing one thing. Game companies such as Bethesda (Oblivion, Fallout 3, Rage, etc) concentrate on making innovative products and reaching new heights for industry standards in terms of play style, quality, content, etc. Bungie on the other hand is a one trick pony, and that one trick has been milked with the same product since their initial success with it. Is that bad? Hell no it's not bad. It's great, and it's something every gaming company wants. Halo is a massive franchise, and its made the shooter genre more "adult" friendly. It's accomplished a lot financially, but unfortunately sales aren't innovation.

Is Halo the leader of the shooter genre just because of sales? No. In terms of innovation, quality, fun, etc, Halo is far behind many. Is it good? Yes. Is it successful? Yes. Is it the best? Maybe in some peoples opinion it is. But, is it the leader of the genre? No, because games like: Dead Space, BioShock, GOW, (Brink, and the upcoming RAGE) are all making a leap forward (or at least attempting to innovate the genre), while Halo continues to perform that same old trick...

Halo is the Soda of the shooter genre. It's not the best thing for you, but a lot of people want it regardless.

/out

I pretty much agree with this the only thing that I kind of disagree with is Bethesda, I dunno but it feels like every game is duming down from Morrowind to Oblivion, and believe I played Oblivion before Morrowind and still love the fuck out of it, but it seems like everything was made to be user friendly. Less weapons, skills, quests, armor, guiding everyone with that annoying red dot, though I guess it was nice as it didn't leave the player completely hopeless like Morrowind did, where you had to rely on guides to finish the game.

Fallout 3 feels like a bigger stepback from Oblivion as well, though, I'm eagerly anticipating Elder Scrolls V.

Oh and didn't Halo originate the regenrating health bars (not sure if that's a good thing) or was that COD?

Why... WHY? Why did you have to divide this

It's obnoxious but it gets the job done and you don't get tripped on what I'm saying and have to wonder which part of your post I'm referring to.

There are some reviews that are actually good but they never go into a decent amount of detail with what I stated. Most reviews/ers are morons or just not knowledgable enough and yes I have read a fuckload of reviews, enough to form my opinion/statement on the matter. I'm pretty sure most of the active HHD members can make better reviews. Me included

...Shut up, by this logic I can write a better review than most other reviewers you're claiming, and I sure as shit can't and neither could you.

Let's bring in more facts (yay!). Halo is way past critically acclaimed actually. There's a reason that when a really, REALLY good FPS comes out they call it the "Halo Killer".

That title was only give to console FPS, and we all know PC FPS dominate the market, and really reviews? That's what you're going to rely on, no better than showing off album accolades to try and prove a point.

GameRankings: Metacritic:


Halo: Combat Evolved = 95.58% = 97/100.
Halo 2 = 94.56% = 95/100.
Halo 3 = 93.53% = 94/100.
Halo 3: ODST = 85.14% = 83/100
Halo: Reach = 91.59% = 91/100.

Basically every game (except ODST which sucks but still managed to get a B) is considered an "A" game. You cannot tell me that this series is just "good" for its generation. No, it's well in its way to being considered an all time classic series with these numbers + popularity... yeah. I hate PC shooters so I really can't agree with you at all but it doesn't matter because we're not discussing PC shooters here (yes, I know I never said so but I really don't wanna get into PC games discussion).

Really, go check Half Life's reviews, I'm pretty sure it has higher scores than Halo. And no you can't just arbitrarily close off gaming demographic because you know it strengthens my point. Popularity wise and strictly console wise than the only FPS matching Halo's popularity is COD.

I have never ever in my life heard of this game ever EVER (ever....) being more popular than Halo.

Well than know you know.

Now, that you say that it's the most popular online.... uhmmmm well yeah sure but that's because people don't play Halo online as much as they do on the console.

This doesn't make any sense, what are you saying people don't play Halo online as they do lag parties or split screen?

Is CS available on a console?

They made one for the original Xbox but it didn't do too well, compared to it's PC counterpart.

I think it isn't and if it is then on that platform it is not more popular than Halo. That's for sure. If you're telling me that online it's more popular than Halo? I'm not sure but since you brought up facts and I don't know where to get mine, I'll give it to you. But, overall Halo is more popular than CS.

No it isn't it's more mainstream and that you have people reference it daily than yeah, but Counter Strike annihalates Halo worldwide, and is extremely popular in Asia, the Middle East, Europe. Halo only really beats Counter Strike in popularity in NA and even that's debatable.

I will say that Counter Strike is a much more niche game and isn't as user friendly as Halo.

Doesn't matter what platform we're talking about, Halo is more popular. Btw, there have been 1 million Halo Reach games played in the last 24 hours which I'm sure is much more than 64k servers full of 8/16/32 people. But, we're comparing different platforms so I guess it's irrelevant but I just wanted to throw in a number to refute that.

That doesn't refute it at all because the source I linked never specified how many games Counter Strike was played the last 24 hours, though I will say 5.194 billion minutes of playtime per month is more impressive than that.

Yes, we're only talking FPS here. tbh, I firmly believe Halo is the Eminem of FPS games. You may bring up that COD has sold more as a series but Halo is only exclusive to Xbox while COD is PS3 and Wii. Yet, the numbers aren't very far apart.

I never said that, unless that was a hypothetical, I was thinking more along the lines of GTA.

Yeah, I know that. It's still a smart strategy.

Than you shouldn't have said that as that just ended up confusing us more than clarifying.

One year from SSLP to MMLP (because he was new to the game). Two years from MMLP to TES and TES to Encore. Five years from Encore to Relapse (if we don't count the Re-Up). One year from Relapse to Recovery because it's his comeback and he owes his fans music. That's not the point though. Eminem doesn't release much material in collabs/random songs/mixtapes/weekly series like other rappers do therefore increasing demand for his music like Halo does by having a 3 year gap.

Assuming other rappers release mixtapes to keel fans over is stupid to begin with unless you're referencing Slaughterhouse.

[ChristinaE12]

I just have to say CS is the greatest FPS of all time. That's all.

[dead prez]

I just have to say CS is the greatest FPS of all time. That's all.

[ThomasAguanis]

The only G.O.W. worth mentioning is God Of War.

Just making sure people see this.

[Master Chief]

This has to be the largest and most exhausting argument I've ever gotten into. Congratulations, asshole

It's obnoxious but it gets the job done and you don't get tripped on what I'm saying and have to wonder which part of your post I'm referring to.

Alright...

...Shut up, by this logic I can write a better review than most other reviewers you're claiming, and I sure as shit can't and neither could you.

Yes you can, yes I can.

That title was only give to console FPS, and we all know PC FPS dominate the market, and really reviews? That's what you're going to rely on, no better than showing off album accolades to try and prove a point.

PC FPS dominate the market? What world do you/I live in? I'm pretty damn sure Xbox & PS3 are more popular than computer FPSs. I'm not bringing up Wii because it's a console that doesn't have many FPSs to its name.

Really, go check Half Life's reviews, I'm pretty sure it has higher scores than Halo. And no you can't just arbitrarily close off gaming demographic because you know it strengthens my point. Popularity wise and strictly console wise than the only FPS matching Halo's popularity is COD.

Half Life has a 96/100 on Metacritic. Not higher than the first Halo. I'm closing off PC FPS discussion because I'm talking about Halo on Xbox only. Yet, if we compare CS & Halo overall, I'd put my money on Halo being more popular. COD is the only thing that rivals Halo. COD has been able to catch up in the last few due to ODST's failure which had to be repaired by Reach's success. I gaurantee that if Bungie makes a Halo 4 then the franchise will takeover but that's wishful thinking. Overall, Halo is still more popular than COD.

This doesn't make any sense, what are you saying people don't play Halo online as they do lag parties or split screen?

Because they don't. Everyone knows that Halo's prime was on the Xbox not on the PC.

No it isn't it's more mainstream and that you have people reference it daily than yeah, but Counter Strike annihalates Halo worldwide, and is extremely popular in Asia, the Middle East, Europe. Halo only really beats Counter Strike in popularity in NA and even that's debatable.

Are you comparing this overall? If so, I really don't know what to tell you. All I know is that in the US the obvious winner is Halo. Don't underestimate Halo's worldwide power though....

That doesn't refute it at all because the source I linked never specified how many games Counter Strike was played the last 24 hours, though I will say 5.194 billion minutes of playtime per month is more impressive than that.

That's not counting Halo 3's stats, of course

I never said that, unless that was a hypothetical, I was thinking more along the lines of GTA.

Yes it was hypothetical. GTA is not only exclusive to Xbox either. Halo is so it has a clear disadvantage yet it manages to stay relatively close in numbers.

Than you shouldn't have said that as that just ended up confusing us more than clarifying.

Yeah, my bad.

Assuming other rappers release mixtapes to keel fans over is stupid to begin with unless you're referencing Slaughterhouse.

It was a Lil Wayne/Eminem and COD/Halo comparison. But, then I brought the mixtape thing as an example of how artists decrease the demand for their music by releasing an enourmous amount of material.

[ChristinaE12]

TF2 and L4D is badass too.. Oh how I miss gaming. I haven't even logged into steam for quite a while.

[Xray]

I wish I still had my 360 so I could play Gears of War online again.

Best online game I've ever played.

[Xray]

I wish I still had my 360 so I could play Gears of War online again.

Best online game I've ever played.

Word. Online is so fuckin fun. Especially cuz me and three of my friends got very fuckin good at it. We were the Slaughterhouse of GOW online

Haha word. When I first started I used to put on a DMX voice and act like the best player in history when I was only getting 3 kills max a game (which I got by chainsawing). Everyone used to kick me out cause I didn't follow the rules, kept using shotgun when everyone else used snipers but then I got really good at it. Used to go by RajaDaDothead. N1ggaz used to get sprayed like that. I bet you were one of those gangstas that role with they crew?

[Trimss]

^ Lmaoo!! I was like that too. I only used chainsaw but was really good at it and people kicked me a lot.

[Kez]

All these people that are hating on Halo have never experienced the full series. They've seen Halo: Reach and immediately think it's a gay, rip-off of COD with dudes in giant suits running around. That's not anywhere close to what Halo actually is. All of you who don't like Halo, go play the first few games, and I guarantee your opinion will change. And by first few games I mean Halo: Combat Evolved, and Halo 2. Imo those are the best Halo games.

HAHAHAHA no.

I played the very first Halo when it came out with no previous expectations or anything like that, gave it it's own chance. Was not a fan. I even tried playing Halo 2 when it came out too. They both bored the absolute FUCK outta me. So don't come that shit.

[dead prez]

This has to be the largest and most exhausting argument I've ever gotten into. Congratulations, asshole

I'll give you some props for sticking to it and not leaving after my 3rd post.

Yes you can, yes I can.

No, I can't

PC FPS dominate the market? What world do you/I live in? I'm pretty damn sure Xbox & PS3 are more popular than computer FPSs. I'm not bringing up Wii because it's a console that doesn't have many FPSs to its name.

I didn't mean that the media focuses on PC FPS, just that the best FPS games are on the PC. TF2, Crysis, Unreal, The Battlefield Series, Half Life, need I go on? Now obviously a lot of them aren't exclusive to PCs and can be played on consoles, but their core fanbases (the modding community) are on PC. Just like the Elder Scrolls series can be played on the 360 but everyone plays it on the PC, cause of the vast amount of options you have.

It's like FPS were made to be played on the PC, they have better controls (mouse and keyboard is more accurate than a joystick), though if you want you could switch to a 360 controller (though I don't know why you'd do that as it'll be like shooting yourself in the leg), free maps, and most importantly mods.

Half Life has a 96/100 on Metacritic. Not higher than the first Halo. I'm closing off PC FPS discussion because I'm talking about Halo on Xbox only.

Half Life 2 got higher than both Halo 2 and Halo 3, but really enough with the review sites. Cause I could easily bring in accolades as well, I know both series garnered a huge amount of GOTY awards, so in terms of accolades they're pretty close.

But really why the hell do you have such a boner for complacent reviews, you can cut diamonds with that shit.

Yet, if we compare CS & Halo overall, I'd put my money on Halo being more popular.

If you mean which is more likey to be discussed by the zitted up prepubescent faggot or which is more likely to catch a South Park reference than yeah. If you mean worldwide and which has a stronger more loyal fanbase than CS takes it.

COD is the only thing that rivals Halo.

In console FPS

COD has been able to catch up in the last few due to ODST's failure which had to be repaired by Reach's success. I gaurantee that if Bungie makes a Halo 4 then the franchise will takeover but that's wishful thinking. Overall, Halo is still more popular than COD.

I'm not going to defend COD because I find it as monotonous and repetitive as Halo, but no if Bungie pulls the stunt it's more likely to bomb.

People will get annoyed at the company milking franchise for all it's worth and would most likely be seen as an old man shittting out whatever it was that made it fun in the first place and has little to no resemblance to it's former self other than other than looking like a stale gray version rolling over in its grave.

Because they don't. Everyone knows that Halo's prime was on the Xbox not on the PC.

And everyone know that Counter Strike's prime was on the PC not Xbox, was this seriously a rebuttal? And I will say that CS is plenty popular offline and is played on tournaments and lag parties all the time, not to mention is the number one game for PC cafes, though no one goes to that shit anymore since online is the way to go chap.

Are you comparing this overall? If so, I really don't know what to tell you. All I know is that in the US the obvious winner is Halo. Don't underestimate Halo's worldwide power though....

Well I guess you could say that, and CS is plenty popular in the US it was after all the scape goat for the columbine massacre (or was that Doom) and the Virginia Tech Massacre. Like I said CS is more likely to have a niche fanbase and one that really takes time to get used to before you enjoy it, Halo's is pretty easy to just jump right in and rack up a few kills.

That's not counting Halo 3's stats, of course

Wouldn't make a difference, besides Halo 2's virtually dead now, whereas CS came out before Halo 1 and is still enormously popular, but I think Source is beating it. I do believe they're supposed to make another remake for CS sometime in the future so, watch out.

Yes it was hypothetical. GTA is not only exclusive to Xbox either. Halo is so it has a clear disadvantage yet it manages to stay relatively close in numbers.

I honestly doubt that Halo would get anymore popular if was multi platform and it would feel like alienating the Xbox fanbase if they did that.

It was a Lil Wayne/Eminem and COD/Halo comparison. But, then I brought the mixtape thing as an example of how artists decrease the demand for their music by releasing an enourmous amount of material.

It also works both ways as it gives you a taste of their music without the full course, but I will say that Halo and Eminem are the same tier gameplay wise