Gears of War >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halo

[Master Chief]

No, I can't

Yes.

I didn't mean that the media focuses of PC FPS just that the best FPS games are on the PC. TF2, Crysis, Unreal, The Battlefield Series, Half Life, need I go on? Now obviously a lot of them aren't exclusive to PCs and can be played on consoles, but their core fanbases (the modding community) are on PC. Just like the Elder Scrolls series can be played on the 360 but everyone plays it on the PC, cause of the vast amount of options you have.

It's like FPS were made to be played on the PC, they have better controls (mouse and keyboard is more accurate than a joystick), though if you want you could switch to a 360 controller (though I don't know why you'd do that as it'll be like shooting yourself in the leg), free maps, and most importantly mods.

Well, I'm not talking about Halo on PC so I don't understand why we're still stuck on this. The only things I've been comparing are CS & Halo overall as franchises. Yes, CS on PC is more popular than Halo on PC.

I absolutely hate playing video games on a PC because a console is much more convenient and easier to use. Plus, a TV screen is bigger than a PC screen. And I personally feel that FPS were meant for consoles only.

Half Life 2 got higher than both Halo 2 and Halo 3, but really enough with the review sites. Cause I could easily bring in accolades as well, I know both series garnered a huge amount of GOTY awards, so in terms of accolades they're pretty close.

But really why the hell do you have such a boner for complacent reviews, you can cut diamonds with that shit.

So it's settled...

I don't have a boner with reviews, I just find reviews for games much more reliable than reviews for any other media. Plus, I wanna back up my argument with something.

If you mean which is more likey to be discussed by the zitted up prepubescent faggot or which is more likely to catch a South Park reference than yeah. If you mean worldwide and which has a stronger more loyal fanbase than CS takes it.

I guess. But, keep in mind that the Halo franchise has sold more than the CS franchise (in total).

In console FPS

What I've been trying to discuss...

People will get annoyed at the company milking franchise for all it's worth and would most likely be seen as an old man shittting out whatever it was that made it fun in the first place and has little to no resemblance to it's former self other than other than looking like a stale gray version rolling over in its grave.

Not really since people WANT Halo 4. There is a demand for the product. After that HUGE cliffhanger in Halo 3 who's not gonna wanna see what happens next? They have a lot to work with from that point. My theory is that they're working on it, right now or so that's what many people seem to think while bringing up good points. I personally believe Halo 4 could be insanely huge in all aspects of the word.

And everyone know that Counter Strike's prime was on the PC not Xbox, was this seriously a rebuttal? And I will say that CS is plenty popular offline and is played on tournaments and lag parties all the time, not to mention is the number one game for PC cafes, though no one goes to that shit anymore since online is the way to go chap.

Yeah, but I'm talking about Halo on Xbox only and when you did bring up the PC dicussion I admitted that CS is bigger than Halo on that platform. From that point, I brought up the franchise overall discussion since that's the only fair way to compare them.

Well I guess you could say that, and CS is plenty popular in the US it was after all the scape goat for the columbine massacre (or was that Doom) and the Virginia Tech Massacre. Like I said CS is more likely to have a niche fanbase and one that really takes time to get used to before you enjoy it, Halo's is pretty easy to just jump right in and rack up a few kills.

I know CS is very popular but I wouldn't compare it to the powerhouse that is Halo in the states.

Wouldn't make a difference, besides Halo 2's virtually dead now, whereas CS came out before Halo 1 and is still enormously popular, but I think Source is beating it. I do believe they're supposed to make another remake for CS sometime in the future so, watch out.

Halo 2 is not as active because Halo 3 came out (duh) which has Forge, theater, better matchmaking, more options, more active community, better graphics (....) AND because Xbox 360 came out. It's still holding up fairly well though. Halo 4 > CS remake

I honestly doubt that Halo would get anymore popular if was multi platform and it would feel like alienating the Xbox fanbase if they did that.

Of course. I'm very fucking glad Halo is only Xbox. If it was multi platform it would sell more and would undoubtedly pass COD in overall sales but all in all, I'm grateful Halo is exclusive to Xbox.

It also works both ways as it gives you a taste of their music without the full course, but I will say that Halo and Eminem are the same tier gameplay wise

If you execute your plan well, releasing a lot of music can help you but for the most part artists don't so... yeah. How are Halo & Eminem similar/same tier gameplay wise?

[dead prez]

Well, I'm not talking about Halo on PC so I don't understand why we're still stuck on this. The only things I've been comparing are CS & Halo overall as franchises. Yes, CS on PC is more popular than Halo on PC.

Yes I know you weren't but I didn't understand why you insist on closing off that gaming deomgraphic when that's that's where FPS thrive, FPS were made for the PC. And stop bringing up it's more popular on PC, Halo's fanbase on the PC is miniscule it's like saying oh but Halo is more popular than CS in Xbox, they weren't made to be played on the respective systems that were discussing. (Halo for PC and CS for Xbox)

I absolutely hate playing video games on a PC because a console is much more convenient and easier to use. Plus, a TV screen is bigger than a PC screen. And I personally feel that FPS were meant for consoles only.

Well that's just you cause I know any serious FPS fan hates the consoles cause of the control scheme, a mouse is much more accurate and didn't you have to rely on that flimsy joystick to aim. Like I said Halo appeals to casual gamers much more than CS which has an ingrained dedicated fanbase that'll go all the way just to make sure they can play the game at the highest framerate.

So it's settled...

I don't have a boner with reviews, I just find reviews for games much more reliable than reviews for any other media. Plus, I wanna back up my argument with something.

Well they aren't, you haven't told me why they are other than the fact that they tell you what you want to hear. Citing reviews is nice but it doesn't prove a point cause like Maybe said when games like Black Ops gets a 9.5, I have a hard time taking reviews seriously as well.

Formulate your opinion.

I guess. But, keep in mind that the Halo franchise has sold more than the CS franchise (in total).

CS only has two games, one which is basically a graphics overhaul at that... Well two really well known games, the others are just side bonuses nobody gives a shit about

What I've been trying to discuss...

Which is nonsense, but fine if it makes you happy than yes Halo is the most popular console FPS of this generation, don't forget the buzz words console FPS.

Not really since people WANT Halo 4. There is a demand for the product. After that HUGE cliffhanger in Halo 3 who's not gonna wanna see what happens next? They have a lot to work with from that point. My theory is that they're working on it, right now or so that's what many people seem to think while bringing up good points. I personally believe Halo 4 could be insanely huge in all aspects of the word.

Well yeah idiotic fanboys that don't even give a shit about the story but are willing to shelf 60 bucks for another tacked on addition with nothing innovative about it at all and repeating the same formula it has since Halo 2, yeah.

Like I said if they do it, it'll end up terrible, look at the luke warm reception of Reach, no one gave a shit about that game.

Yeah, but I'm talking about Halo on Xbox only and when you did bring up the PC dicussion I admitted that CS is bigger than Halo on that platform. From that point, I brought up the franchise overall discussion since that's the only fair way to compare them.

No it's not just bigger than Halo on that platform, I don't give a shit about how popular it's on the PC because it's basically nada. Worldwide and overall online play than CS exceeds Halo by a lot.

You're reminding me of this debate someone else had where people were discussing literature interpretation and since the topic at hand was about a graphic novel, they tried to say it was complex for a graphic novel, not literature in general. They don't exist in vacuum, it's either complex or it's not, period.

I know CS is very popular but I wouldn't compare it to the powerhouse that is Halo in the states.

You're going in circles Chief, hint anecdotes and people who you talk to at school professing their undying love for Halo, doesn't indicate it's superiority in popularity over other FPS.

Halo 2 is not as active because Halo 3 came out (duh) which has Forge, theater, better matchmaking, more options, more active community, better graphics (....) AND because Xbox 360 came out. It's still holding up fairly well though. Halo 4 > CS remake

Not a good excuse CS is still thriving, even when Source came out. And source was basically a graphics overhaul, that's it.

And no you really don't want to get into a matchmaking and options argument, unless you were saying Halo 3>Halo 2 in that regard and not Halo>CS.

Because CS has an unlimited number of modified maps, HUGE community, not to mention the graphics was ahead of it's time (you needed a really a strong graphics card to run it decently when it came out) and still looks great today.

Of course. I'm very fucking glad Halo is only Xbox. If it was multi platform it would sell more and would undoubtedly pass COD in overall sales but all in all, I'm grateful Halo is exclusive to Xbox.

Yes, Chief we all know you love Halo like a firstborn child, no need to tell us that.

If you execute your plan well, releasing a lot of music can help you but for the most part artists don't so... yeah. How are Halo & Eminem similar/same tier gameplay wise?

I meant to say "aren't"

[Blu]

Damn, diction and MC are like in a heated battle right now! Shit, someone bring the snacks!

[Master Chief]

Yes I know you weren't but I didn't understand why you insist on closing off that gaming deomgraphic when that's that's where FPS thrive, FPS were made for the PC. And stop bringing up it's more popular on PC, Halo's fanbase on the PC is miniscule it's like saying oh but Halo is more popular than CS in Xbox, they weren't made to be played on the respective systems that were discussing. (Halo for PC and CS for Xbox)

I don't care if that's where FPS thrive, I never brought up Halo on PC so it was never my intention to compare it to PC. You may think that FPS are better on PC but that's irrelevant. Fact is, console FPS are more popular therefore Halo's presence is bigger. Plus, I looked into Halo on PC and it really isn't far off from CS's popularity. Some people seem to think that Halo is bigger and I agree with your last sentence that's why I AM comparing them overall (as franchises) and why we should drop the PC discussion.

Well that's just you cause I know any serious FPS fan hates the consoles cause of the control scheme, a mouse is much more accurate and didn't you have to rely on that flimsy joystick to aim. Like I said Halo appeals to casual gamers much more than CS which has an ingrained dedicated fanbase that'll go all the way just to make sure they can play the game at the highest framerate.

The mouse and keys are annoying to use imo. Halo appeals to everyone yet it has a humongous hardcore fanbase. Win.

Well they aren't, you haven't told me why they are other than the fact that they tell you what you want to hear. Citing reviews is nice but it doesn't prove a point cause like Maybe said when games like Black Ops gets a 9.5, I have a hard time taking reviews seriously as well.

Formulate your opinion.

Keyword: much more reliable than... I'm not really saying it's reliable but at least it's not completely irrelevant to discussion like bringing in Hip Hop album reviews. Reviews aren't always right so you can't really think every single review is bullshit just because Black Ops got a 9.5.

I obviously have my own opinion formulated, I already said why I'm bringing this up in the first place

CS only has two games, one which is basically a graphics overhaul at that... Well two really well known games, the others are just side bonuses nobody gives a shit about

Yet, the numbers aren't really close at all to Halo's when the franchise only has 5 games. I'm honestly starting to think Halo has CS beat Worldwide... How does it make sense at all that Halo's numbers in total are way bigger than CS's yet CS is somehow more popular WW?

Which is nonsense, but fine if it makes you happy than yes Halo is the most popular console FPS of this generation, don't forget the buzz words console FPS.

Halo is the most popular FPS period which is what I'm saying. Just because CS has Halo beat in the PC platform doesn't mean shit. COD has Halo beat on PS3 by a fuckload because Halo doesn't exist on PS3. That doesn't take anything away from the feat Halo has achieved on one single platform.

Well yeah idiotic fanboys that don't even give a shit about the story but are willing to shelf 60 bucks for another tacked on addition with nothing innovative about it at all and repeating the same formula it has since Halo 2, yeah.

Implying "fanboys" don't give a shit about the story. It's the opposite. Casual fans don't care about the story. The hardcore fans/fanboys DO give a shit about the plot. I don''t understand how Halo 3/Reach aren't innovative. Forge, theater, Grifball? I'm not willing to go into detail right now but I can show how Halo is innovative in many ways.

Like I said if they do it, it'll end up terrible, look at the luke warm reception of Reach, no one gave a shit about that game.

Halo Reach was a fucking success. Did you see the reviews I posted? Did you see the sales?

No it's not just bigger than Halo on that platform, I don't give a shit about how popular it's on the PC because it's basically nada. Worldwide and overall online play than CS exceeds Halo by a lot.

I'm seriously starting to think it's not as far apart as you make it sound. After some research, that's how it seems.

You're reminding me of this debate someone else had where people were discussing literature interpretation and since the topic at hand was about a graphic novel, they tried to say it was complex for a graphic novel, not literature in general. They don't exist in vacuum, it's either complex or it's not, period.

Are you trying to say that Halo is only a powerhouse on Xbox?

You're going in circles Chief, hint anecdotes and people who you talk to at school professing their undying love for Halo, doesn't indicate it's superiority in popularity over other FPS.

Not much. But, numbers do.

Not a good excuse CS is still thriving, even when Source came out. And source was basically a graphics overhaul, that's it.

And no you really don't want to get into a matchmaking and options argument, unless you were saying Halo 3>Halo 2 in that regard and not Halo>CS.

Because CS has an unlimited number of modified maps, HUGE community, not to mention the graphics was ahead of it's time (you needed a really a strong graphics card to run it decently when it came out) and still looks great today

Because Source wasn't that much of step up, apparently.

I was saying Halo 3 > Halo 2 in that aspect.

In Halo 3, YOU can modify maps. Take screeshots and videos to store and share with other people. Play several different types of games with varied objectives. Hell, you could even play Football in Halo 3 (Grifball). Has and had a bigger online community than CS. Graphics in Halo are obviously better but different time periods but I will agree that CS was ahead of its time in that aspect.

Yes, Chief we all know you love Halo like a firstborn child, no need to tell us that.

I'm just saying that Halo was meant only for Xbox and it should always stay that way.

[Verses]

Whoever brought up Morrowind is a legend, that game is the shit, so addictive.

[dead prez]

I don't care if that's where FPS thrive,

Well you should because you're trying to claim that Halo is the king of the FPS genre when it has like no competition at all in the consoles, and when it's finally put to test against actual FPS that matter, it gets blown away.

I never brought up Halo on PC so it was never my intention to compare it to PC. You may think that FPS are better on PC but that's irrelevant.

You said that CS is more popular than Halo on the PC, I call bullshit, it's more popular world wide.

And yes it's completely relevant, when it has basically no competition on the consoles other than COD.

Fact is, console FPS are more popular therefore Halo's presence is bigger.

That's horrible reasoning, basically consoles games are more popular not console FPS.

Plus, I looked into Halo on PC and it really isn't far off from CS's popularity.

Show me any impressive statistics off Halo on the PC or concede.

Some people seem to think that Halo is bigger

Well than they're complete doofuses, if they think it's bigger on the PC than CS is.

and I agree with your last sentence that's why I AM comparing them overall (as franchises) and why we should drop the PC discussion.

No you weren't you were just blatantly closing off PC FPS franchises, because you don't like them or you know they prove my point about Halo not being some juggernaut in FPS quality.

The mouse and keys are annoying to use imo. Halo appeals to everyone yet it has a humongous hardcore fanbase. Win.

Is this seriously an argument? The keyboard might be annoying to use, but no the mouse gives perfect accuracy so I don't care how annoying you percieve it to be, it's just better than using a joystick to aim.

Appealing to everyone isn't necesseracily a good thing btw, if you were trying to use that to say Halo is a good game, because of that than that's stupid. That just means it appeals to the lowest common denominators as well with it's retarded regeneration system, obviously CS is a lot more hardcore. But you're rewarded if you stick through it and don't bitch out just because you're getting your ass kicked.

Keyword: much more reliable than... I'm not really saying it's reliable but at least it's not completely irrelevant to discussion like bringing in Hip Hop album reviews.

Stop asserting statements without any proof, it's getting annoying now. You just blatantly discarded Hip Hop album reviews because they gave reviews disagree with, but since these so called game reviews praise your favorite games they're reliable now?

Reviews aren't always right so you can't really think every single review is bullshit just because Black Ops got a 9.5.

And why I should believe the Halo reviews are accurate?

I obviously have my own opinion formulated, I already said why I'm bringing this up in the first place

They don't prove shit, other than the fact that some people have a positive opinion of a game that you like. And by virtue of it being an opinion it's as reputable as anybody else's, well anyone who knows what they're talking about.

Yet, the numbers aren't really close at all to Halo's when the franchise only has 5 games.

Individual games they destroy Halo's numbers, did you even pay attention that link I posted you?

I'm honestly starting to think Halo has CS beat Worldwide... How does it make sense at all that Halo's numbers in total are way bigger than CS's yet CS is somehow more popular WW?

Because Halo's a game meant to be shipped in stores, wheras Counter Strike was a mod for Half Life that people download off of steam. Rarely do people go to stores and buy Counter Strike copies, though you could do that if you wanted.

Halo is the most popular FPS period which is what I'm saying. Just because CS has Halo beat in the PC platform doesn't mean shit.

Stop saying it beats it in only the PC demographic it beats it in amoun t of players online and that is totally relevant.

COD has Halo beat on PS3 by a fuckload because Halo doesn't exist on PS3. That doesn't take anything away from the feat Halo has achieved on one single platform.

This analogy is completely irrelevant to the PC one if you're trying to make one...

Implying "fanboys" don't give a shit about the story. It's the opposite. Casual fans don't care about the story. The hardcore fans/fanboys DO give a shit about the plot. I don''t understand how Halo 3/Reach aren't innovative. Forge, theater, Grifball?

So tell me how Forge is innovative?

I'm not willing to go into detail right now but I can show how Halo is innovative in many ways.

The burden of proof falls on the positive buddy, I'm not doing your dirty work.

Halo Reach was a fucking success. Did you see the reviews I posted? Did you see the sales?

I'm talking about how everyone moved onto Black Ops once it came out.

I'm seriously starting to think it's not as far apart as you make it sound. After some research, that's how it seems.

Let's see that research.

Are you trying to say that Halo is only a powerhouse on Xbox?

Yes, no one gives a shit about it one the PC.

Because Source wasn't that much of step up, apparently.

Why touch upon perfection, CS doesn't need gimmicks and touch ups every other game. It's simplicity yet complexity is what makes it great, whereas Halo hides behind all these gimmicks to try and lure new fans in.

In Halo 3, YOU can modify maps. Take screeshots and videos to store and share with other people. Play several different types of games with varied objectives. Hell, you could even play Football in Halo 3 (Grifball). Has and had a bigger online community than CS. Graphics in Halo are obviously better but different time periods but I will agree that CS was ahead of its time in that aspect.

You could do all this in CS as well and more, and lol at it having a bigger online community than CS. You're just plain wrong in that statement, until you give me servers online that match the ones I posted before.

[Master Chief]

Well you should because you're trying to claim that Halo is the king of the FPS genre when it has like no competition at all in the consoles, and when it's finally put to test against actual FPS that matter, it gets blown away.

First of all, Halo on PC wasn't a flop it just didn't dominate like it did on the console. The first Halo did extremely well but the 2nd one didn't because Bungie didn't wanna support the PC platform. Why do you think there is no Halo 3 on PC? Second of all, overall if take everything into account, in the grand scheme of things... Halo is arguably the king of the FPS genre.

You said that CS is more popular than Halo on the PC, I call bullshit, it's more popular world wide.

And yes it's completely relevant, when it has basically no competition on the consoles other than COD.

I call bullshit on more popular WW.

That's part of the reason why Halo is the arguable king of FPS. Name ONE game that is close to Halo's reign in consoles and close to CS's reign in PC. There is none. There's that one game that does quite good on both but they don't touch CS or Halo respectively.

That's horrible reasoning, basically consoles games are more popular not console FPS.

Obviously console games in general are more popular. Which is why the area in which Halo dominates is more important than that of which CS dominates whether you think PC FPS are better or not.

Show me any impressive statistics off Halo on the PC or concede.

I found it on Bungie.net. Supposedly Halo PC sold 3.5 million copies in 2 years of being released. I really can't find it right now but I'll definitely give you the source when I do.

This is NOT a concession.

Well than they're complete doofuses, if they think it's bigger on the PC than CS is.

Keep in mind that I'm not convinced that Halo is bigger on PC...

No you weren't you were just blatantly closing off PC FPS franchises, because you don't like them or you know they prove my point about Halo not being some juggernaut in FPS quality.

I already addressed that just because Halo is not the powerhouse CS is on the PC doesn't mean that overall it isn't a powerhouse in the FPS genre. No single game is as big as Halo and CS on PC and consoles respectively.

Is this seriously an argument? The keyboard might be annoying to use, but no the mouse gives perfect accuracy so I don't care how annoying you percieve it to be, it's just better than using a joystick to aim.

Appealing to everyone isn't necesseracily a good thing btw, if you were trying to use that to say Halo is a good game, because of that than that's stupid. That just means it appeals to the lowest common denominators as well with it's retarded regeneration system, obviously CS is a lot more hardcore. But you're rewarded if you stick through it and don't bitch out just because you're getting your ass kicked.

The mouse is annoying. Deal with it, n.igga. Joystick > PC controls. It's all subjective, man.

I was just saying that Halo can appeal to everyone, that's all. From retards, noobs, hardcore gamers or even professional MLG competitors.

Stop asserting statements without any proof, it's getting annoying now. You just blatantly discarded Hip Hop album reviews because they gave reviews disagree with, but since these so called game reviews praise your favorite games they're reliable now?

What do you think? What's your goddamn take on this? There are reviews out there that give MMLP a 1.5 (sorry for using Eminem). I've already told you WHY Hip Hop reviews suck so there's your "proof" or my view on the situation. Again, I never said they were reliable. I said they're more reliable than those 50 year old reviewers who's favorite music is Mozart yet review Hip Hop music because the're forced to. It was just to back up my argument with something. To show you that Halo is a critically acclaimed game.

And why I should believe the Halo reviews are accurate?

Read them yourself and decide.

They don't prove shit, other than the fact that some people have a positive opinion of a game that you like. And by virtue of it being an opinion it's as reputable as anybody else's, well anyone who knows what they're talking about.

It proves that Halo is critically acclaimed. Right or wrong.

Individual games they destroy Halo's numbers, did you even pay attention that link I posted you?

No they don't. Every Halo game has sold millions. I haven't seen proof of CS doing so. That link you posted doesn't even compare to the fact that ONE million people were online on Halo 3 in 24 hours of release.

Because Halo's a game meant to be shipped in stores, wheras Counter Strike was a mod for Half Life that people download off of steam. Rarely do people go to stores and buy Counter Strike copies, though you could do that if you wanted.

So it's basically impossible to tell which one is more popular WW?

Stop saying it beats it in only the PC demographic it beats it in amoun t of players online and that is totally relevant.

How many players are online now? Because I can get my info on how many are online in Reach and Halo 3 in one second. We all know Halo's peak of players online is one million which to my knowledge remains unbeaten.

This analogy is completely irrelevant to the PC one if you're trying to make one...

No it isn't because if Halo is outsold on a platform then that doesn't really mean it isn't the biggest FPS ever.

So tell me how Forge is innovative?

You can create your own maps and not only that. But, you can create large figures, sentences/words, race tracks, maps for games created by the community etc.

The burden of proof falls on the positive buddy, I'm not doing your dirty work.

I said I'm not willing to go into detail. And I won't because that's not the topic at hand.

I'm talking about how everyone moved onto Black Ops once it came out.

You seem to be going by personal experience and/or what you see here. Where I live, Halo Reach is more talked about and played than Black Ops.

Let's see that research.

http://www.destructoid.com/halo-3-makes ... 7649.phtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_3#Sales

Yes, no one gives a shit about it one the PC.

Halo 2 PC? Correct. Halo: CE PC? Incorrect.

Halo is only Xbox and Halo:CE & H2 on PC so there's not many places to actually give a shit about it.

Why touch upon perfection, CS doesn't need gimmicks and touch ups every other game. It's simplicity yet complexity is what makes it great, whereas Halo hides behind all these gimmicks to try and lure new fans in.

What gimmicks?

You could do all this in CS as well and more, and lol at it having a bigger online community than CS. You're just plain wrong in that statement, until you give me servers online that match the ones I posted before.

Halo 3 & Reach community on XBOX 360 > CS community on PC. Is that clearer for you? I'm not comparing Halo PC to CS PC therefore I can't get servers to compare.

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Before I start, let's get a few things straight we are talking strictly FPS right, not games in general? Cause it changes everything if we're talking about either one.

First of all, Halo on PC wasn't a flop it just didn't dominate like it did on the console. The first Halo did extremely well but the 2nd one didn't because Bungie didn't wanna support the PC platform. Why do you think there is no Halo 3 on PC? Second of all, overall if take everything into account, in the grand scheme of things... Halo is arguably the king of the FPS genre.

I was talking about if you compare the QUALITY of the Halo series to actual FPS that matter not horrible Fast Food garbage that's tacked on nowadays, than yeah Halo would be hardpressed to be called the number one FPS, but yeah Halo did flop on the PC.

Mostly because people we're comfortable with it on the Xbox, the original Halo only did well on the PC because it was the first time you get to play Halo online. Once Xbox live came around, there was no need for it.

Oh and Halo is designed with being a console shooter first, not PC. It's control scheme was set up for that, which is why you have so many console FPS mirroring it's control scheme.

I call bullshit on more popular WW.

Why CS is immensely popular outside the US, especially in Asia and the Middle East, and is plenty popular in North America and Europe as well. Easily competing with Halo in online play time in North America if not exceeding it.

Halo is really only popular in North America and Europe.

That's part of the reason why Halo is the arguable king of FPS. Name ONE game that is close to Halo's reign in consoles and close to CS's reign in PC.

If not just FPS than GTA and The Warcraft Series.

If exclusively FPS than COD series, GOW for a little while, and maybe Resistance for the PS3.

PC wise TF2, Battlefield Series, and Unreal Series match CS.

There is none. There's that one game that does quite good on both but they don't touch CS or Halo respectively.

Sales wise, quality is another story.

Obviously console games in general are more popular. Which is why the area in which Halo dominates is more important than that of which CS dominates whether you think PC FPS are better or not.

Console games are more popular, Console FPS are NOT more popular and the PC FPS demographic is HUGE. That's where you have all the dedicated players, and I think you're underestimating how many people play PC games to begin with.

I found it on Bungie.net. Supposedly Halo PC sold 3.5 million copies in 2 years of being released. I really can't find it right now but I'll definitely give you the source when I do.

This is NOT a concession.

Until you do it is, sorry. Not me being a douchebag but that's just how it works until I see real evidence, just how debating works. You don't decide whether or not you concede, failure to bring about evidence when asked, equals concession until it comes fruitation.

Keep in mind that I'm not convinced that Halo is bigger on PC...

I know just anyone who thinks that is a complete moron.

I already addressed that just because Halo is not the powerhouse CS is on the PC doesn't mean that overall it isn't a powerhouse in the FPS genre. No single game is as big as Halo and CS on PC and consoles respectively.

If you mean in sales being a figurehead for the genre sure, but I'd gladly debate other FPS that match them and exceed them in quality. Though I do think CS is great and probably one of the best FPS out there.

The mouse is annoying. Deal with it, n.igga. Joystick > PC controls. It's all subjective, man.

Not really, you're probably just used to playing with the controller and got used to it's controls, but you're used to handicapping yourself.

Guaranteed if you got two expert FPS players and give one the KB and mouse, and one the controller, the KB and mouse would win everytime. Nothing stops it's pinpoint accuracy.

It's sorta the same as a fightstick vs regular controller. I used a regular controller all my life, but when I finally bought a fightstick, it took me months of practice to get used to it, but after that you never look back. As it allows you to pull off combos and shit that is near impossible on a controller.

I was just saying that Halo can appeal to everyone, that's all. From retards, noobs, hardcore gamers or even professional MLG competitors.

Hmm, yes but being easy to jump into isn't autmotically a good thing just letting you know, for anyone trying to use that as the crux of their argument as to why X is better than Y.

What do you think? What's your goddamn take on this? There are reviews out there that give MMLP a 1.5 (sorry for using Eminem). I've already told you WHY Hip Hop reviews suck so there's your "proof" or my view on the situation. Again, I never said they were reliable. I said they're more reliable than those 50 year old reviewers who's favorite music is Mozart yet review Hip Hop music because the're forced to. It was just to back up my argument with something. To show you that Halo is a critically acclaimed game.

Biased sample, and obviously looking in the wrong spot. If you asked some guy that doesn't appreciate or listen to Hip Hop religiously on what his opinion on an album is off course it's going to contrast yours. Though I will say music taste is one of the most subjective shit out there, and you can't really get a firm grasp on what an album deserves despite it being impressive technically. (MMLP)

And really there are retarded doofuses that don't know shit about reviewing games, like the ones giving Black Ops a 9.5. Or I could easily complain that those that give Oblivion a higher score than Morrowind are nothing but graphics whores that can appreciate depth if it smacked them in the face.

It proves that Halo is critically acclaimed. Right or wrong.

Really?

No they don't. Every Halo game has sold millions. I haven't seen proof of CS doing so. That link you posted doesn't even compare to the fact that ONE million people were online on Halo 3 in 24 hours of release.

Yeah it does proves it has 94,000 servers. I'd like to know how many servers halo runs? Most I've was 12,000 or around that when I used to play Halo 3. I'd say it definitely beats that, or how about the 5 billion minutes of playtime per month.

But really you're trying to refute X with Y and it doesn't work.

So it's basically impossible to tell which one is more popular WW?

You could tell by the amount of servers Halo has, so and compare the minutes played.

How many players are online now? Because I can get my info on how many are online in Reach and Halo 3 in one second. We all know Halo's peak of players online is one million which to my knowledge remains unbeaten.

Alright find me Halo servers matching this

http://www.gametracker.com/search/cs/?s ... e=1#search
http://www.game-monitor.com/GameSearch/ ... ource.html

No it isn't because if Halo is outsold on a platform then that doesn't really mean it isn't the biggest FPS ever.

No, I'm saying it's nonsensical because you were saying that COD beating Halo on the PS3 isn't a big deal because it doesn't exist on the PS3, and likening that to the fact that Halo gets shitted on by other PC FPS because the PC FPS gamers actually have to make decisions about which quality FPS they should play.

You can create your own maps and not only that. But, you can create large figures, sentences/words, race tracks, maps for games created by the community etc.

Farcry did this before Halo even though off it, hell a shit ton of FPS did this before Halo even though off it.

You seem to be going by personal experience and/or what you see here. Where I live, Halo Reach is more talked about and played than Black Ops.

Where you live isn't relevant than.

http://www.destructoid.com/halo-3-makes ... 7649.phtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_3#Sales

Yawn sales, I hope you know there's a difference between selling a shit ton on launch day and consistantly having a huge fanbase online. There's no correlation between selling whatever amount you throw at me and the amount of players it has online now.

Halo 2 PC? Correct. Halo: CE PC? Incorrect.

Yes, it's pretty much seen as a cookie cutter run of the mill shooter in the PC. Just like GOW on the PC.

Halo is only Xbox and Halo:CE & H2 on PC so there's not many places to actually give a shit about it.

I'm saying that no one gives a shit about it one the PC because they actually have to make decisions and the PC is flooded with quality FPS, wheras the console demographic settle for whatever is pooped out.

What gimmicks?

Energy sword, vehicles, gravity hammer, dual wielding, stupid shit that impresses those that are unitiated with the genre.

Halo 3 & Reach community on XBOX 360 > CS community on PC. Is that clearer for you? I'm not comparing Halo PC to CS PC therefore I can't get servers to compare.

Well than we have nothing to go by, so you can't claim that at all until you can find me numbers online for the 360 version. So I'll have to deny your claim.

[Master Chief]

Holy balls.

I'll reply to this later when I have time cause I'm going out in a second. Just saying so it doesn't look like a ran away like a bitch.

This argument is never ending tbh

[slimshadylappin]

Never argue with an asian about video games

[Satire]

The only video game I've played in the last 4-5 months was Fallout

[dead prez]

My brother sold my xbox for about 80 buck, fucking asshole. Only game I really played was Street Fighter though, that doesn't make me Asian.

[Master Chief]

Only FPS talk here.

I was talking about if you compare the QUALITY of the Halo series to actual FPS that matter not horrible Fast Food garbage that's tacked on nowadays, than yeah Halo would be hardpressed to be called the number one FPS, but yeah Halo did flop on the PC.

Halo on PC wasn't nearly as good as Halo on Xbox. Halo: CE didn't flop dude. Halo 2 did.

Mostly because people we're comfortable with it on the Xbox, the original Halo only did well on the PC because it was the first time you get to play Halo online. Once Xbox live came around, there was no need for it.

I agree with this statement.

Oh and Halo is designed with being a console shooter first, not PC. It's control scheme was set up for that, which is why you have so many console FPS mirroring it's control scheme.

Yes...

Why CS is immensely popular outside the US, especially in Asia and the Middle East, and is plenty popular in North America and Europe as well. Easily competing with Halo in online play time in North America if not exceeding it.

Halo is really only popular in North America and Europe.

It definitely doesn't exceed Halo in NA. I don't mean to sound like I'm looking for excuses but at the end of the day NA and Europe are the most important places when it comes to entertainment sales.

If not just FPS than GTA and The Warcraft Series.

If exclusively FPS than COD series, GOW for a little while, and maybe Resistance for the PS3.

PC wise TF2, Battlefield Series, and Unreal Series match CS.

Only FPS.

COD, GOW and Resistance don't do well at all on PC which is what I'm saying. No game does as well as they do on Xbox/PS3 on PC.

On consoles they don't match Halo...

Sales wise, quality is another story.

Quality is subjective. I would say no game matches Halo but you would say the complete opposite.

Console games are more popular, Console FPS are NOT more popular and the PC FPS demographic is HUGE. That's where you have all the dedicated players, and I think you're underestimating how many people play PC games to begin with.

But, sales on console FPS are bigger so we HAVE to go with that. PC FPS may have a more hardcore and dedicated fanbase but overall they're not matching console FPS.

Until you do it is, sorry. Not me being a douchebag but that's just how it works until I see real evidence, just how debating works. You don't decide whether or not you concede, failure to bring about evidence when asked, equals concession until it comes fruitation.

Whatever the point is that it didn't flop.

If you mean in sales being a figurehead for the genre sure, but I'd gladly debate other FPS that match them and exceed them in quality. Though I do think CS is great and probably one of the best FPS out there.

I can't fucked to debate quality, not now. Not after this. Maybe some other time.

Not really, you're probably just used to playing with the controller and got used to it's controls, but you're used to handicapping yourself.

Guaranteed if you got two expert FPS players and give one the KB and mouse, and one the controller, the KB and mouse would win everytime. Nothing stops it's pinpoint accuracy.

It's sorta the same as a fightstick vs regular controller. I used a regular controller all my life, but when I finally bought a fightstick, it took me months of practice to get used to it, but after that you never look back. As it allows you to pull off combos and shit that is near impossible on a controller.

You're right, I am used to the joystick. That's exactly why but that doesn't change the fact that I despise PC controls plus I believe that a video game is meant to be played on a console but that's just how I've grown up... playing on consoles.

I really don't think it makes THAT much of a difference.

Hmm, yes but being easy to jump into isn't autmotically a good thing just letting you know, for anyone trying to use that as the crux of their argument as to why X is better than Y.

I'm not saying that's why Halo is better as a GAME than this game. I'm just saying it appeals to everyone and that at the end of the day only helps Halo's community grow but it's a bit irrelevant, I guess.

Biased sample, and obviously looking in the wrong spot. If you asked some guy that doesn't appreciate or listen to Hip Hop religiously on what his opinion on an album is off course it's going to contrast yours. Though I will say music taste is one of the most subjective shit out there, and you can't really get a firm grasp on what an album deserves despite it being impressive technically. (MMLP)

And really there are retarded doofuses that don't know shit about reviewing games, like the ones giving Black Ops a 9.5. Or I could easily complain that those that give Oblivion a higher score than Morrowind are nothing but graphics whores that can appreciate depth if it smacked them in the face.

You don't understand. MOST reviewers don't appreciate Hip Hop like I do. Like most people on HHD do. But, you can't deny that giving MMLP lower than a 3 is pretty much incorrect.

Yeah, of course but in my honest opinion, I would listen to a game reviewer before listening to a Hip Hop music reviewer. Black Ops isn't that bad though. I would give it a 7/10.

Really?

Indeed.

Yeah it does proves it has 94,000 servers. I'd like to know how many servers halo runs? Most I've was 12,000 or around that when I used to play Halo 3. I'd say it definitely beats that, or how about the 5 billion minutes of playtime per month.

But really you're trying to refute X with Y and it doesn't work.

I can't see how many servers because you can't find/search that up for a console game. Halo Reach had 110k people when I got on today btw. Halo 3 passed 7 billion games played a year ago btw.

We should stop comparing this because there is no way of really finding a winner here.

You could tell by the amount of servers Halo has, so and compare the minutes played.

You can't.

Alright find me Halo servers matching this

http://www.gametracker.com/search/cs/?s ... e=1#search
http://www.game-monitor.com/GameSearch/ ... ource.html

Impossible because servers are non existent on consoles.

Farcry did this before Halo even though off it, hell a shit ton of FPS did this before Halo even though off it.

But, Halo expanded the idea. Why do you think Halo's Forge feature is brought up so many times to praise the game?

Where you live isn't relevant than.

Yes it is, hoe.

Yawn sales, I hope you know there's a difference between selling a shit ton on launch day and consistantly having a huge fanbase online. There's no correlation between selling whatever amount you throw at me and the amount of players it has online now.

I hope you know Halo 3 was always #1 or #2 on the Xbox Live play chart for 3 years until Black Ops and Reach came out.

Yes, it's pretty much seen as a cookie cutter run of the mill shooter in the PC. Just like GOW on the PC.

I don't like neither of them on the PC. Halo: CE is the better one but it's still whatever.

I'm saying that no one gives a shit about it one the PC because they actually have to make decisions and the PC is flooded with quality FPS, wheras the console demographic settle for whatever is pooped out.

Or maybe because the Halos on the PC suck

Energy sword, vehicles, gravity hammer, dual wielding, stupid shit that impresses those that are unitiated with the genre.

Those "gimmicks" are awesome though. The gravity hammer is a grace of god tbh. Without it Grifball wouldn't exist.

Well than we have nothing to go by, so you can't claim that at all until you can find me numbers online for the 360 version. So I'll have to deny your claim.

What numbers? There are a lot of statistics for different things.

[dead prez]

Halo on PC wasn't nearly as good as Halo on Xbox. Halo: CE didn't flop dude. Halo 2 did.

Depends on what you mean by flop, as pretty much no one acknowledges it's existance on the PC.

And I don't see how the Xbox versions are better, more popular yes, but PC has unlimited freedom and you just have more options in it. Like I said before PC counterparts are always superior to console counterparts in just about every technical sense other than portability.

I agree with this statement.

Ok...

Yes...

....

It definitely doesn't exceed Halo in NA.

Like I said before in terms of which is more likely to catch a South Park reference than Halo would be the one, but in terms of the amount of players online well than it's debatable.

I don't mean to sound like I'm looking for excuses but at the end of the day NA and Europe are the most important places when it comes to entertainment sales.

WTF is this garbage? Asia is HUGE on video games, and you closing off that continet is laughably arrogant Chief.

Only FPS.

COD, GOW and Resistance don't do well at all on PC which is what I'm saying. No game does as well as they do on Xbox/PS3 on PC.

The Doom Series does better on the PC and is available for consoles.
The Half Life Series does a shit ton better on the PC and is available for consoles.
The BattleField series does loads better on the PC and is available for consoles.
The Unreal Series does better on the PC and is available for consoles....

I mean really Chief, you're coming across as really ignorant right now, no offense.

On consoles they don't match Halo...

Now flip it and it's the other way around, overall though COD series and Half Life/Counter Strike definitely match Halo.

Quality is subjective. I would say no game matches Halo but you would say the complete opposite.

No it isn't, we could easily debate quality right now, I'm sorry but this has pretty much become a fallback for people that don't want to open another can of worms.

But, sales on console FPS are bigger so we HAVE to go with that. PC FPS may have a more hardcore and dedicated fanbase but overall they're not matching console FPS.

The only real popular console FPS are Halo and COD, everything else belongs to the PC. The PC is the NY of FPS games, and Halo is like Eminem in that it's the oddball out, and COD would be 2pac in that regard. Btw I'm not likeing Halo to Eminem quality wise so don't start drooling.

Whatever the point is that it didn't flop.

I didn't get numbers though so.

You're right, I am used to the joystick. That's exactly why but that doesn't change the fact that I despise PC controls plus I believe that a video game is meant to be played on a console but that's just how I've grown up... playing on consoles.

This is not objective reasoning, other than the fact that you're more comfortable with a controller. A mouse is superior to a joystick, it doesn't matter how annoying you find it, stop dancing around the fact that it's more accurate and easier to pull off headshot, therefore making ir superior.

I really don't think it makes THAT much of a difference.

Yes, yes it does a lot actually. The only thing I'd give a controller over a mouse and keyboard is portability and possibly comfort, though the latter is subjective, as I know plenty of people who love the KB and mouse combo.

I'm not saying that's why Halo is better as a GAME than this game. I'm just saying it appeals to everyone and that at the end of the day only helps Halo's community grow but it's a bit irrelevant, I guess.

Yes it's irrelevent.

You don't understand. MOST reviewers don't appreciate Hip Hop like I do. Like most people on HHD do. But, you can't deny that giving MMLP lower than a 3 is pretty much incorrect.

Oh I completely understand, not everyone's going to like Hip Hop as much and asking everyone to see it through your eyes is self centered. Everyone's going to have differing opinions on the genre, but like I said earlier don't be a doofus and get your reviews from places like IGN and look in rap magazines, that solves your issue.

Yeah, of course but in my honest opinion, I would listen to a game reviewer before listening to a Hip Hop music reviewer. Black Ops isn't that bad though. I would give it a 7/10.

Well that's just you, not to mention the possibility of game companies paying off reviewers to give the games higher scores than they really deserve, that's not really accurate now is it?

I can't see how many servers because you can't find/search that up for a console game. Halo Reach had 110k people when I got on today btw. Halo 3 passed 7 billion games played a year ago btw.

That's cool, but the two links I posted on my previous post has servers exceeding 50,000 do the math. Not to mention lots of games can be filled with up to 30 players.

And CS has exceeded 5 billion minutes of playtime per month so...

We should stop comparing this because there is no way of really finding a winner here.

You're right this argument is going in circles now, though it has been for a while.

Impossible because servers are non existent on consoles.

Just like it's impossible to get fair statistics of the amount of people who bought Counter Strike and trying to judge the number of players through that when most people dl it.

But, Halo expanded the idea. Why do you think Halo's Forge feature is brought up so many times to praise the game?

Because reviewers are idiots.

I hope you know Halo 3 was always #1 or #2 on the Xbox Live play chart for 3 years until Black Ops and Reach came out.

And CS was always #1 even when games like BF, COD, TF2, and an new PC FPS came along, so what does that tell you?

It's been far more consistant than Halo.

I don't like neither of them on the PC. Halo: CE is the better one but it's still whatever.

The point of the portion of that post you quoted was to tell you that PC gamers are unfazed by Halo and GOW on the PC and would rather stick with games like TF2, Unreal, and Battlefied because they actually have choices. Wheras console gamers are given the shaft and just deal with whatever card they're given, get it now?

Or maybe because the Halos on the PC suck

Why would it suck when it's superior to Halo on the Xbox in every technical level, Halo on the Xbox only has more players (which isn't a stylistic choice) and portability, though you could easily switch to a controller if you wish.

Those "gimmicks" are awesome though. The gravity hammer is a grace of god tbh. Without it Grifball wouldn't exist.

Fuck Griffball, but seriously none of that shit is impressive oh and the jetpacks on Reach were done in the PC game Tribes, years before Halo was even conceived.

It's something that would appeal to the aspergian doofus.

What numbers? There are a lot of statistics for different things.

Number of servers Halo has, you can't assert that Halo has more players online unless I see evidence, you can say more people know off Halo, sure. But not that more people online atm are playing it.

[BigBoss]

Metal Gear (Solid) storyline beats the shit out of everything.

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