Nas - Oochie Wally

[EminemBase]

This thread caused 2 smart members to argue over 2 horrible rap songs.



I really don't see the point of this, they both suck why even bother debating which one sucks more or the reasons why. Absolutely nothing is going to come out of it.

Correction: 1 smart member.

classthe_king isn't a smart member. Not even speaking in my bias due to the argument. Out of the smart members on the board, he's not up there.

[classthe_king]

And did I ever once say that they aren't two different kinds of failures? No. You said, repeatedly, that Nas' failure was bigger than Eminems and I said it wasn't. That was the argument.

[EminemBase]

And did I ever once say that they aren't two different kinds of failures? No. You said, repeatedly, that Nas' failure was bigger than Eminems and I said it wasn't. That was the argument.

I said it was a different kind of failure. And that they're in different categories due to intent but I was repeatedly trying to stray from "Oochie Wally" as an example as the specifics of that song don't necessarily fit what I'm saying. I'm speaking in general terms.

You kept arguing which song was 'better'.

My argument was that intent changes how a song should be judged and if it fails or not. Your response was that intent does not matter at all and bad is bad. But after a while you stray from that and have been just arguing which of these two songs is better...

[classthe_king]

No, you clearly stated that Nas' fail was greater than Eminem's.

[EminemBase]

No, you clearly stated that Nas' fail was greater than Eminem's.

No, let me get my original post again:
Those aren't in the same category as Eminem is intentionally being retarded. You can say they're awful songs but... Nas' song for example - he's attempted to make a song come across as good and... quality and it comes across as corny and bad. It's a failure.

I repeatedly said they are different due to intent and therefore should be judged different. They're not the same kind of failure. You refuted this. You said a fail is a fail. So yes you did say there aren't different kind of failures. Again and again.

I stated that if a song fails on its intent, as well as its execution, that it is a bigger failure than say "Big Weenie" which succeeds in its intent. Again, you are the one who kept applying that specifically to "Oochie Wally", I was continuously straying from that song as I didn't care for its use in my argument.

Yet you still wish to specify that song in particular. Ignoring my bigger point.

Here's a quote from me on Page 2 even:
I'm saying that intent changes the category of failure. I didn't say Nas intended the song to be profound I didn't mention this song.

You see, once again I say I didn't even mention "Oochie Wally". You seem to be... unable to process the fact I'm trying to ignore Nas' song for the purpose of making a general point. I don't care about Nas' song, my argument was never about that.

[Willy]

And Class still sucks at arguing...

[classthe_king]

And you don't seem to be able to process that I never disagreed with you on the fact that there are different intentions but that doesn't constitute one fail being larger than the other. And weird how you just randomly started blabbering on about someting that doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

[EminemBase]

And you don't seem to be able to process that I never disagreed with you on the fact that there are different intentions but that doesn't constitute one fail being larger than the other. And weird how you just randomly started blabbering on about someting that doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

Well I think that it does. Well it's not about 'bigger', it's about different.

A song failing in intent is a different thing. And yet, you want to directly compare them and I don't think that you can in the same way that it'd be weird to compare a political song to a personal song.

Where as you just kept saying intent doesn't matter at all, a fail is a fail and "Big Weenie" is more awful and therefore a worse failure.

And what doesn't have to do with this thread... ?

[classthe_king]

And you don't seem to be able to process that I never disagreed with you on the fact that there are different intentions but that doesn't constitute one fail being larger than the other. And weird how you just randomly started blabbering on about someting that doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

Well I think that it does. Well it's not about 'bigger', it's about different.

A song failing in intent is a different thing. And yet, you want to directly compare them and I don't think that you can in the same way that it'd be weird to compare a political song to a personal song.

Where as you just kept saying intent doesn't matter at all, a fail is a fail and "Big Weenie" is more awful and therefore a worse failure.

And what doesn't have to do with this thread... ?

Well you said you never once mentioned Oochie Wally, which is what this thread is about, weird huh. And I don't know why you kept going on about Intent, randomly, unless you though Oochie Wally failed on intent, which is doesn't, because then nothing you said had anything to do with this thread...unless you were talking about Oochie wally

[EminemBase]

Well you said you never once mentioned Oochie Wally, which is what this thread is about, weird huh. And I don't know why you kept going on about Intent, randomly, unless you though Oochie Wally failed on intent, which is doesn't, because then nothing you said had anything to do with this thread...unless you were talking about Oochie wally

Actually my original post was to somebody who mentioned "Big Weenie". So, it was a response to a specific post and it stemmed from that. So it's not random.

[classthe_king]

Well you said you never once mentioned Oochie Wally, which is what this thread is about, weird huh. And I don't know why you kept going on about Intent, randomly, unless you though Oochie Wally failed on intent, which is doesn't, because then nothing you said had anything to do with this thread...unless you were talking about Oochie wally

Actually my original response was to somebody who mentioned "Big Weenie". So, it was a response to a specific post and it stemmed from that. So it's not random.

Yes but when you started comparing it, to a song like Nas' song, you showed you had been talking about his song the whole time, unless you randomly decided to start debating Intent vs. Execution for no reason.

[EminemBase]

Well you said you never once mentioned Oochie Wally, which is what this thread is about, weird huh. And I don't know why you kept going on about Intent, randomly, unless you though Oochie Wally failed on intent, which is doesn't, because then nothing you said had anything to do with this thread...unless you were talking about Oochie wally

Actually my original response was to somebody who mentioned "Big Weenie". So, it was a response to a specific post and it stemmed from that. So it's not random.

Yes but when you started comparing it, to a song like Nas' song, you showed you had been talking about his song the whole time, unless you randomly decided to start debating Intent vs. Execution for no reason.

No I used Nas' song to springboard a more general discussion off. That's what I've been saying over and over and that's why I said 'for example' Nas' song in my very first post.

I've been arguing about "Oochie Wally" when you've induced it into the argument on occasion but repeatedly stating that my point is not about if that song is better than "Big Weenie" and I don't care to argue about that.

[Raids-God]

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[GenePeer]

I only read the first two pages and the "If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?" Thread in Backstage immediately came to mind! Isn't that what Eminem did with "Fack" and "Big Weenie"?

[Almostlity]

EminemBase: If a song is made to be stupid as fuck, and IS stupid as fuck = Then that song achieves its goal of being, stupid as fuck.

I bet Eminem didn't wanna make corniest song ever, who would!? Big Weenie = one of the worst Rap songs e-v-e-r.. You seriously think that Eminem wanted that?

And you wonder why people call you Stan.......