Quote one of your self-defined moments of "greatness"

by **Satire** » May 23rd, '11, 05:11

Inspired by C.R.E.A.M's seemingly deleted self-topic. This is for

A.) People who feel like they're seriously slept on when they have an amazing post/thread in their catalog. Show us why you're awesome.
B.) A break away from the normal debate sparking topic for everyone to appreciate each-other for a second, I guess.

To balance out with the very slept on confessional circle where we admitted our own flaws, here's a topic where we all get to act like cocky assholes and quote what we think is one of our best posts so we can make ourselves feel awesome for a minute. This is an artist choosing his greatest work.

MC, I do expect you to quote your long ass rebuttal to C.R.E.A.M along with the "Fuck it, I'm done with beef. It's not worth it" that followed before it.

by **dead prez** » May 23rd, '11, 05:16

We're going to need spoiler tags for this shit.

by **Master Chief** » May 23rd, '11, 05:17

No.

I like C.R.E.A.M.

I'll post one I have in mind later though.

by **Satire** » May 23rd, '11, 05:17

Master Chief wrote:No.

I like C.R.E.A.M.

I'll post one I have in mind later though.

So do I, but that post was your awesome-peak. C.R.E.A.M held his own too.

by **Master Chief** » May 23rd, '11, 05:18

Satire wrote:
Master Chief wrote:No.

I like C.R.E.A.M.

I'll post one I have in mind later though.

So do I, but that post was your awesome-peak. C.R.E.A.M held his own too.

It was but I regret it.

by **dead prez** » May 23rd, '11, 05:20

diction wrote:Anyways, I guess it's time to let loose my Mobb Deep stanism and let it run free like a caged dog that's been pent up in my mind the past few days, but couldn't for the life of me conjure up a decent "review".

I tried to think of albums that may be held in high regard, but aren't exactly my favorite albums, but it would seem superficial and seem like I was trying too hard to be objective and eclectic, besides I doubt there's 100 percent objectivity in analyzing music, and basing it off technicalities is mundane and just simply put, boring.

I guess I'll go with the Infamous, predictable choice, but I believe this is Mobb Deep's magnum opus, with HOE merely being a "good" album, even though Prodigy stepped up his pengame in that album. Either way I haven't extolled Mobb Deep in quite a while, so here's a summation of my feelings for this album.

If you're looking for an album that encapsulated the gritty noir sound of the mid 90s, than no other group did it better than Mobb Deep. Quite simply, they were the go to guys, if you wanted an album that would evoke sinister emotions and would take you to a totally new atmosphere, devoid of hedonism or tongue in cheek horrocore that Big L was reknowned for. No, quite simply put, expect despair and the feeling of a man being gunned down and his decaying carcass thrown into the trunk of a camaro while being driven off in the night. This is the vibe the album gives, in that you feel a sense of uneasiness while listening to it, and boy did they do their job.

As an mc, Prodigy isn't a breathtaking lyricist who can jampack his verses with internals and multies, nor is he a punchline practician, quite simply put he was a stand up guy. You could feel the serious sobering delivery that he had with simple, but beautiful lines that give the tracks life. Lines like "As long as I send your maggot ass to the essence, I don't give a fuck about my presence", is what gave him this aura of being a stand up guy that wouldn't hesitate to talk smack to your face, and would gun you down on a whim. There's a reason P is (probably) the most sampled rapper of all time, which I'll get into later.

Havoc also does a decent job with his performance on the album, and his style compliments Prodigy's quite nicely, in that they make a perfect duo. Though Prodigy is still the one who drops the memorable verses, what Havoc really contributes to this album is his prouction. He has a signature sound that defines the noir era in NY Hip Hop, and was able to make a dope beat through just a few piano loops.

As for the songs, the intro may be one of the best in Hip Hop, and sets the stage ablaze for an album that you know is going too be dark and dreary. Havoc opens it up with a fine verse, and P ends it with a verse that just oozes swag (lol). The apex of the album is, and quite possibly Hip Hop's most reknowned anthem isn't even until the near end, which only accentuates the consistancy of the album and how coherent it was. It ends off on a song with a title that ironically closes it off nicely.

As for the contributions to the genre well, Prodigy's voice has been sampled to death. A ton of classic songs have P's classic lines in them, and some of them only helped elevate the songs to a classic because of the samples. It feels like I'm listening to a plethora of Hip Hop just because I know how often he's sampled. It's an estoric feeling that one gets when listening to a song not having any ties to Mobb Deep and instantly recognizing P's voice as the sample. For whatever reason he's sampled so much, whether it be because of the dopeness of the lyrics themselves or his voice which was great for sampling, I think it's safe to say Mobb Deep has cemented their legacy in Hip Hop off this album alone, despite how horrid their current music may be when compared to their mid 90s releases.

I was plan on doing other albums, but fuck it, plus it devalues me placing this album in such a high pedestal if I list more than two albums. And yes I tried to make this post as long as possible just for the fuck off it.

That or this

diction wrote:Good post and topic, but yeah I think so.

I think it's bullshit that some people stigmatize Hip Hop exclusively as the genre to be misognystic, and promote violence, or act like the figureheads in the genre now are the only ones to be cocky and obnoxious (Kanye West).

Or doofuses that constantly decry rap lyrics while constantly extolling other genres like old school soul, jazz, & blues as being innocuous, while being oblivious to inane shit like this. Never mind the fact that people can actually listen to lyrics entire on musical merit devoid of it's actual content, though many critics do take the lyrics out of context and try to make it worse than it really is.

People need to stop acting like rap/hip hop is the first/only genre to be filled with misogynstic, arrogant, twatish and violent assholes, not that any of this shit has anything to do with the music and should be kept separate. Artistic image and their content shouldn't be interwtwined, and devaluing an artist because he/she has those characteristics is one big ad hominem to begin with. They're artists, not role models.

In short, yes I do think artists like Nas/Eminem/Pac will be placed in high regard in the future with the likes of Elvis/Chuck Berry etc.

by **VenomBlackViper** » May 23rd, '11, 05:21

The one I posted in this thread at this very moment.

by **Master Chief** » May 23rd, '11, 05:22

In response to then dead prez's "Eminem ANALSYS" thread.

Master Chief wrote:Meanwhile in Tennesse...

David Nelson: Yeeeha! Bob whut yerr doin' today?
Bob Adams: Oh nuttin' (lolz) just herr wit mah animulz in dee farm
David Nelson: Yeee dawgiee! well gues whut, Bob?!
Bob: Whut yerr up 2, yerr litto' rascalll?
David Nelon: 2nite, Imma Analsys

An incest subliminal message brought to you by dead prez.

Can't decide if this was lame or funny.

If it wasn't keep in mind that it was a long time ago :'(

by **dead prez** » May 23rd, '11, 05:23

Nah my favorite post was the one ranting about

diction wrote:-People thinking that because they're an atheist they're automatically smarter, or atheists fellating over themselves because they're on the so called "enlightened" side. To be perfectly honest, many of the smug atheists are no different than conspiracy spewing imbeciles that believe that fancy themselves as intellectual elties, yet have accomplished nothing to warrant their smug attitudes.

Besides the fact that there's so much atheism prevalent on the internet pretty much precludes it belonging to an esoteric bunch. Most likely it stems from being isolated and brooding over shit that they haven't taken the time to fully understand. Btw, I'm not shitting on atheists, just those that act like they're of higher intelligence because they choose not to believe in a deity.

-Those that put animals' lives above other humans.
-Those that decry someone who kills a dog, yet are benefitting from slaughter of sheep or routinely go out on hunting season, not for necessity but for choice.
-Fucking a horse is considered dehumanzing, yet shooting another with a double barrel shotgun is alright? (I don't condone fucking of animals btw)

-White Knights, or quite simply put people who put the female gender above the male gender as to look more sensitive, and refuse to hit them because they're women. All this does is encourage victorian era/china doll gender roles. You shouldn't hit people weaker than you, not refrain from hitting the opposite gender because you feel like taking on the role of being a creepy universal older brother figure.

-Things which we may consider antithetical to selfishness, are really not. Decrying one who commits suicide by expecting them to have to put up with their shitty lives so that you don't suffer a loss is selfish.

-Those that bitch about the opposite sex not accepting them are idiots, "Oh wow that bitch can't see past the fact that I'm a hideous mutant, and my kind soul doesn't make up for the fact that I look like a social pariah." I laugh at the hypocricy of those that employ that excuse, of trying to chase bitches clearly out of their league whilst ignoring over the average looking females.

by **Satire** » May 23rd, '11, 05:25

Master Chief wrote:In response to then dead prez's "Eminem ANALSYS" thread.

Master Chief wrote:Meanwhile in Tennesse...

David Nelson: Yeeeha! Bob whut yerr doin' today?
Bob Adams: Oh nuttin' (lolz) just herr wit mah animulz in dee farm
David Nelson: Yeee dawgiee! well gues whut, Bob?!
Bob: Whut yerr up 2, yerr litto' rascalll?
David Nelon: 2nite, Imma Analsys

An incest subliminal message brought to you by dead prez.

Can't decide if this was lame or funny.

If it wasn't keep in mind that it was a long time ago

It wasn't bad but you've done better.

by **Master Chief** » May 23rd, '11, 05:27

Example?

by **Satire** » May 23rd, '11, 05:36

You're right, that probably is one of the closer posts near your peak of greatness.

by **Master Chief** » May 23rd, '11, 05:43

Satire wrote::unsure:

You're right, that probably is one of the closer posts near your peak of greatness.

You're gay.

Anyways, this one is probably my greatest post in MC's pre-Backstage Era.

Master Chief wrote:WARNING! A BIG FUCKING POST AWAITS TO TAKE A GOOD PORTION OF YOUR TIME BELOW

...is that he ruins songs on his albums with his features. Let me break it down starting with Absolute Power because Anghellic is flawless in this aspect. Limited features and Grant Rice did decent, the girl on the hook of Suicide Letter killed it, & Bakarii, Short Nitty did fairly good on This Life (Anghellic).

Ok, now this issue pretty much starts on Everready so Absolute Power's features are acceptable. I'm still gonna break it down. First of all, every track with Krizz Kaliko is fantastic because his hooks are one of the best from any artist ever imo and he's a great rapper too so for Tech. On Gunz Will Bust, Skatterman & Snug Brim ruined it, Snug Brim in particular, at least Money Hungry was acceptable. Once again, every verse Kutt Calhoun does on a Tech song ranges from decent to amazing so I have no problem with him on Bianca's and Beatrice's. Now, D12 on She Devil...Bizzare fucking ruined that song like usual. Kuniva was okay, Mr. Porter was good. Proof's verse was short but sweet & Swifty had the best verse. But, the song was badly injured by Bizzare. Overall the album was WAYYYY better than Killer, Bad Season & Everready feature-wise.

On to Everready. The most praised Tech N9ne album starts promising with two amazing, amazing, verses by Tecca Ninna and a powerful, pump-up, "fuck shit up" hook. Then...OMGGGG a third verse. I can't wait to see how Tech's gonna finish this!!!!! But, then he says "Man I swear, the Nina will never love them, plug them/When I'm rolling with Skatterman and Snug Brim!" and it goes far downhill. I mean...these mothafuckers KILLED this song worse than Bizzare did to Fight Music & Words Are Weapons. Riot Maker starts off as a solid 10 and ends on with a 7.5, RIP to what could have been the ultimate Tech N9ne song. The next non Krizz Kaliko or Kutt Calhoun song is Jellysickle. E-40....FUCK YOU. E-40's verse is so fucking terrible, he's the reason why I'd say Jellysickle is the worst song on the album. Not even Tech's verses can save this song. My World is next. Brotha Lynch Hung did just as good as Tech which is pretty impressive. Now, of course Dalima is gonna sound inferior after two amazing verses with double-time flow but I think he was unnecessary & just a filler. His children on The Rain was a very interesting, clever and ballsy concept. He pulled it off well , Overall Everready is not as bad feature-wise as Killer or Bad Season but Everready could have been a perfect album with JUST him on Riot Maker & Jellysickle. Everready is still his 2nd best album tho.

Killer is next and @ the terrible features & the amazing songs ruined by features. Okay so the first feature song is Wheaties. Personally, I'm not too fond of the beat or the hook but Tech saves everything as usual....BUT he's not alone because Shawnna was nothing short of impressive and amazing, especially for a female rapper. So, Killer starts off good with a classic like "Like Yeah" & and a great song like "Wheaties". Next is Get The Fuck Outta Here which has a horrendous beat imo & Tech had a decent verse, nothing special. The only thing worse than the beat is The Popper. His verse is just as bad E-40's on Jellysickle but this time Tech didn't have two great verses to attempt to save it. Paul Wall was bad but not as bad as The Popper, which is not saying much. Blackboy...well, Brother J was good, I guess, still a filler imo. Ice Cube always delivers so even though his verse was nothing complex his powerful deliver always sucks you in. Song not ruined (#thankyoubasedgod). Scarface is on the next joint "Pillow Talkin". He did good so no complaints. Tech...I don't have to say anything, he always works his magic. Next up is "Paint A Dark Picture", a really dark song with a haunting hook. On the song is Dirtball (lol?) and he did decent imo Tech should have done this one all alone. On to the sequel of the classic Tech N9ne song on Anghellic, Psycho Bitch II. This song features Liquid Assassin, he starts his verse with a great double-time flow but after that the rest of the verse is decent. T9's verses were amazing, criminally good. His flow > *, so it really fucks me up when Tech destroys a song and gets lazy so he gets someone to jump in and deliver a sub-par verse compared to his. The girl on Poisonous' hook did good, sadly Tech's verses were kind of sub-par. Still decent tho. Now, Kutt C. always delivers but this song "Too Much" deserves a mention because Kutt Calhoun savagely fucked this beat as badly as Tech did, which is saying A LOT. *Insert Killer 2*...."Drill Team", a feature heavy with the infamous Snug Brim, who once again delivered a bad verse. Tech had a good verse but that's not enough to save this song from Snug Brim & BG Bulletwound who both have annoying voices, babble nonesense and rhyme monosyllabic garbage. Thank (Based) God for Krizz Kaliko who did most of the saving with his verse. Still, Drill Team is another filler on this album. "Beat You Up", pretty much the same thing as Drill Team but this song would not be partially saved like Drill Team was. Everyone except Tech (who had a sub-par verse) sucked major cock, Lebowski coming on top. Next up, is the song that angered me the most on this whole album "Let's Go". I fucking love the beat. One of the best on the whole album. Tech raped it & Kutt did his thing. Then, I skip it because the third guy (Mistah F.A.B.?) has that same annoying voice that Snug Brim, Skatterman and etc. have. He also has the same boring rhyming and the same boring, basic flow. Another possibly fantastic song turned into just decent song. Next is "Seven Words". The subject matter is not my cup of tea but it's Tech N9ne so he makes it better. It's a chill song. Krizz's hook > *, a good song until the infamous Skatterman comes in. He doesn't ruin this song but his verse is not good. It's not like the song was anything special so he can't really ruin it unless his verse is as bad as his verse on Riot Maker , Now, we go to the awful "I Am Everything" featuring Hed PE & Kottonmouth Kings. Tech N9ne has (obviously) the best verse but the hook is fucking terrible and so is the beat. The guy right after Tech N9ne had one of the worst verses I have ever fucking heard in my goddamn life. Jesus christ. The 2nd guy was boring as shit. The 3rd guy (I'm assuming, a member of KK) bored me too but to a less extent compared the 2nd guy. The 4th guy (again assuming, he's a member of KK) had the best verse out of the guests but his verse was still bad. And after that, there's no more non-Krizz Kaliko (good) features on Killer. Tech's motto for Killer was "All Killer, no filler"...wrong. And it sucks that for the most part it's not really Tech's fault. But, I can't really trash an album that has gems like "One Good Time", "Like Yeah", "Happy Ending", "Holier Than Thou", "Too Much" & "Hope For A Higher Power". Also, notice how the songs I mentioned with features only have Kutt Calhoun & Krizz Kaliko , Killer though is one of the best (if not the best) double-album I've ever heard.

IMO the best Tech album...KOD is not feature heavy and for the most part, the features are acceptable but it's a Tech N9ne album so of course it has its fair share of garbage features. Starting with "Demons" , one of the best KOD hooks & has an amazing T9 verse. But, of course Three Six Mafia ruined the song. KILLED IT. Not so much DJ Paul, his verse was mediocre. Juicy J is responsible for the murder of what could have been three perfect songs in a row (Show Me A God, this, & Blackened The Sun). Juicy J's verse was pretty retarded & kinda off-topic. Especially when he had a verbal spasm with the word n.igga. On top of that his rhyming is terrible, a step below DJ Paul. Brotha Lynch Hung is dope as fuck so "Strange Music Box" was a success feature-wise. Next up is B. Boy, and I'm so thankful that Big Scoob stepped it up. It was a decent verse which is a breath of fresh air coming from Big Scoob. BUT, Skatterman just straight up sucks dick so there's no way we can escape a awful verse from him. The only good thing from his verse is Tech N9ne when he says "STRANGE!". Kutt C. is dope as fuck, so thank god for his presence on this song to balance out Skatterman's faggot-ass. The last guy is Bumpy Knuckles which is Skatterman 2.0 with a better voice and more energy. He was acceptable. Tech killed everyone with his letter B overload. A great song not ruined , "Hunterish" is another good song. Irv Da Phenom is a good artist, Tech should associate himself with him more. On to "Horns". Tech N9ne delivers a top 10 verse on the whole KOD but can't he go ahead and write another one to replace Prozak? The dude's voice is really fucking annoying. He sounds like he should be singing emo rock. I mean yeah his rhyming is great, I guess... but his voice has no energy. It's like the guy has no soul. The 3rd guy (King Gordy) had good rhyming but what he was talking about was really stupid. He was trying to hard to be controversial by calling Jesus a fucking fag (that likes to dress in drag?). Horns was most definitely ruined. Next up, we have "It Was An Accident" feat. Alan Wayne. Both Tech and him had good verses over this eerie beat. The last non-Krizz Kaliko feature on this album is the girl on the hook of K.O.D's title track. Really good

Last but not least we have "Bad Season", this is what inspired me to write all this. For fuck's sake every single verse Tech has on this is nothing less than great. The mixtape was held back from being amazing by the features. "Sex To The Beat" has the Strange Trio: Tech N9ne, Krizz Kaliko & Kutt Calhoun who always kill it. This is no exception but of course Tech likes to ruin shit. Bizzy like most of the rappers Tech associates himself with, has an annoying voice, has awful rhyming and raps nonesense. "Sex To The Beat" was saved by the Strange Trio but it would have been a lot better without Bizzy. "No More Music By The Suckas" has surpisingly decent features. Black Vain & Oobergeek did their thing, but of course if replaced with Tech the song would've been a bigger success. Judging by his verse on this would've been the best song on Bad Season. Now, "Bad Season" (song) was the first song to be released from this mixtape. It came out with just him & Kaliko. IT WAS PERFECT LIKE THAT TECH N9NE. Why do you have to add a guy (Nesto) that does nothing but drag the song down with a bad verse?! "Somethin' To See" was a success. Irv Da Phenom is a dope rapper & singer so I'm glad he's getting featured by Tech. "Livin' Like I'm Dyin" was good I guess but at this point as a Tech N9ne fan, I wanna hear more Tech N9ne. Ces Cru did alright but they're just there as fillers. Kutt C. is still the shit tho. "Down For The Block" was decent despite Big Scoob and his messy-ass, terrible, aimless verse. The rest did good but it's an annoying me that Tech is getting lazy so he features people. Despite Kutt & Jay Rock being dope, we wanna hear Tech N9ne. The last featured song is "Lick Your Teeth". Irv Da Phenom is good once again. But, it's irritating me that Tech N9ne isn't doing that many solo songs. Now, I know that I said good things for some of the features but that doesn't take away from the fact that compared to whatever Tech N9ne verse was on there with it, it's inferior. So, this tape is just good. Overall, the features were mostly decent/good but the fact that the mixtape is half feature, some wack as fuck drags it down.

Sorry, for the abnormally huge post but this has been bothering me for a long time and I wanted to share my opinion on this issue but I knew that if I did that I was gonna write a fuckload. Today, I finally got the patience to write this super essay.

So, what I'm saying is that Tech N9ne albums would be straight classics (KOD & Everready are classics tho) if it weren't for the fucking horrendous features. Killer being the prime example. Bad Season being the example of a feature overload.

/super-rant over