50 Cent will be on Detox

[EminemBase]

Here's the song that backs up my statement that 50 has one of the smoothest flows in the industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o70NhwFJsQM

Guy's like butter on bread.

He's fucking terrible. He has no wit, no class, no creativity - he's endlessly repetitive and his flows are unstructured and garbled.

He may have a smooth voice but, it's more of a slurred voice. He's only good when he's half-singing his little hooks or bridges. He can't fucking rap.

And shame on all of you for thinking 50 fucking Cent is a 'great' rapper. He's a joke. If you like him fine but to try and contend that 50 fucking Cent is a great lyricist or rapper in any true aspect (flow, conceptually, creatively) is laughable.

Where are his legendary creations then lmao? he's one of the most unoriginal rappers in history. And that's just his content. Fuck his content. Just technically - he's AWFUL. Fuck you all if you disagree, you need your ears cleaned and better taste. You don't know good rap.

And @TheGentlePlayer - Fuck you too. I'm not trying to 'be clever' about 50, I'm being honest.

His career is made on beats, hooks, drama and co-signing (Em / Dre). The less you see of each the more you see him fail. That's why he stirs up a fresh phoney beef for every album. He's a terrible, terrible rapper and to say he's a great one is just beyond comprehension.

Just because somebody makes hits doesn't make them a great fucking rapper. Wayne has hit after hit too but do you all agree he's GREAT? Or any other number of rappers you'd consider trash... that's a fucking retarded argument.

You can't of listened to much at all or... value great rapping, or lyricism if you listen to 50 Cent and think that is great rapping.

If you seriously think 50 Cent is a great rapper... then fuck your taste lmao. Plain and simple. Don't even care if that's bigoted, as it can be argued in objective ways why he lacks creativity, originality, structure, skill and every other aspect to make a rapper 'great'.

[stillmatic]

Tell us how you really feel EmBase, don't hold back.

Seriously though, you come off as a fool for trying to push your beliefs (music of all things!) on others. Accept others enjoy other artists. Otherwise you'll be pushing your blood pressure every time. There is no reason at all for you to even enter this thread.

[Manly Moose]

You're full of hatred for this guy, it's almost scary.

The only thing I agree with you in is that for some songs he gets a bit repetitive

But creativity applies to 50 in a great way :


There was never a diss song like this one :


Ultimate classic concept :


Rest (Flow, lyricism .. etc) is done by opinion, I won't debate you on them.
And nope, I don't like 50 cause he makes great hits, I like 50's music itself.

Ok that diss was awesome. I think its mainly 50s choruses and the G-UNIT shoutouts that bother me. His flow can be very good, and it can be poor. I consider him an inconsistent artist.

[Fiftys_Advocate]

Tell us how you really feel EmBase, don't hold back.

Seriously though, you come off as a fool for trying to push your beliefs (music of all things!) on others. Accept others enjoy other artists. Otherwise you'll be pushing your blood pressure every time. There is no reason at all for you to even enter this thread.

I kinda understand him, his view - he thinks he is wack (he thinks that it is a fact is that he is wack), and he is trying to change the world. I don´t like Wayne, I can name bunch of reasons, why I don´t like him, but I don´t do that. I cannot tell people, who really enjoys his music, that he is wack and present it like a fact.

[EminemBase]

Tell us how you really feel EmBase, don't hold back.

Seriously though, you come off as a fool for trying to push your beliefs (music of all things!) on others. Accept others enjoy other artists. Otherwise you'll be pushing your blood pressure every time. There is no reason at all for you to even enter this thread.

How did I not accept other people LIKE him?

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If you like him fine but to try and contend that 50 fucking Cent is a great lyricist or rapper in any true aspect (flow, conceptually, creatively) is laughable.

There's a difference between saying somebody can't like somebody, and arguing why you think that somebody is good or bad.

This 'it's all subjective' nonsense, is nonsense. Yes, taste is subjective, and yes - nobody can tell you, or I who we like or dislike. But we CAN argue amongst ourselves, and validate on OBJECTIVE levels why somebody is good or bad at X thing etc.

And from what I've seen (apart from here now), on other general hip-hop forums and what feels generally accepted is that 50 Cent is not a great lyricist or rapper. He makes hits, he raps on good beats but, there's different types of rappers.

And I wasn't saying nobody can like 50 Cent, I'm saying - trying to say he's truly lyrical or a gifted rapper in most aspects, simply isn't true from what I or a lot of hip-hop fans can hear. Would you just accept that Soulja Boy is a genius lyricist if I said he is? It would sound ridiculous to you yes...

And yes there was reason for me to come in this thread actually. Because the title made me want to come in, as I wanted to see if it had been confirmed 50 was on Detox and on what tracks / in what way. So don't tell me where to go or not, or imply I have no right to come in here thanks.

I don't hate 50 Cent, I'm just saying - he's not a lyrical rapper, and he's not creative, and I think he has awful delivery, timing and everything else. And if you disagree, by all means - let's have a sensible debate about that. Rather than getting all bitchy and getting sand in your vaginas about me not praising your hero.

[stillmatic]

Come on man, I'm not gonna give you a proper response to that because this isn't a debate.

I think you're arguing with yourself here really, because no one is saying 50 Cent is a great lyricist. When people say that he's a good rapper, they're obviously not talking about his lyrics.

Read this thread again, you'll see that it's coming off as you trying to force people to agree that he's a shit rapper when these people like his music. You don't like his music, they do, just move on man. It's not your thing.

[EminemBase]

Come on man, I'm not gonna give you a proper response to that because this isn't a debate.

I think you're arguing with yourself here really, because no one is saying 50 Cent is a great lyricist. When people say that he's a good rapper, they're obviously not talking about his lyrics.

Read this thread again, you'll see that it's coming off as you trying to force people to agree that he's a shit rapper when these people like his music. You don't like his music, they do, just move on man. It's not your thing.

Actually you're wrong, people here are saying he's a great rapper. And by 'great rapper' surely you would imply most aspects that make a RAPPER great aka rapping aka lyricism, creativity and flow?

If not those things then what. You say 'his' music, well he's not a producer so the only thing they can mean then is his hooks. And I think you'll find from the very beginning I've being saying he's good at hooks, so try reading what I say and not what you want me to say to fit your argument.

When did I say I didn't like 50 Cent? I said he's become a shit rapper since after Get Rich. Power of the Dollar is a classic, and he USED to be a good lyricist and good rapper. My only argument is people trying to imply he's GREAT in the lyrics and flow department. Which clearly he isn't.

I have no idea what you're talking about man, you keep replying to me like I'm saying people can't like 50's music or that all his stuff is shit. Stop putting words in my mouth. Read what I say.

[stillmatic]

Dude I'm actually not arguing with you at all, I'm not even accusing you of suggesting anything regarding specific attributes of 50's music, the only thing I'm even saying you're doing is just coming off as someone who's trying to force others into agreeing with you (trust me, no disrespect but ask anyone to read this thread, and they will say the same).

I don't wanna get into a debate here, but I'll tell you why I think he's a good rapper. Most of all, quite simply I think he makes very interesting music, I think he says things that keep you entertained and and the way he says them keep you listening (flow). With an artist like this, it's evident that he's not that versatile or lyrically great, he has never ever portrayed himself to be that. I grew on lyricism, but at the end of the day if the music is not entertaining, you're not going to give a shit about the lyrics. I think he makes great emotion provoking music. Then there's his character, he's easily the most genuine man (not artist) to enter music. His charisma is unmatched in music (not just hip hop). I really don't want to you quote each point I made here, because this is not a debate, I'm just letting you know (because you're wondering) why I think he's a good rapper.

I'm really not putting anything in your mouth either homie. You're just taking it the wrong way.

[EminemBase]

Dude I'm actually not arguing with you at all, I'm not even accusing you of suggesting anything regarding specific attributes of 50's music, the only thing I'm even saying you're doing is just coming off as someone who's trying to force others into agreeing with you (trust me, no disrespect but ask anyone to read this thread, and they will say the same).

I'm really not putting anything in your mouth either homie. You're just taking it the wrong way.

How am I forcing people to agree with me? I'm stating, with absolute clarity that I think 50 Cent is a shit rapper. Like I could give a flying fuck who likes him or not.

Why would I care if you like him or try and convince you not to like him? I've stated and will state 100 fucking more times to you, if you wish - I LIKE SOME OF 50 CENT'S MUSIC. Again, I think Power of the Dollar is a classic and I don't need you to lay out your reasons why you like him. I could argue with somebody why he used to be a GOOD rapper.

I only come off as trying to 'force people' to you because I'm not ending every sentence with "in my opinion", "IMO", "but that's just my opinion", "to each his own", "in my opinion", "it's all subjective though", yada yada. We all know taste is subjective, we don't need to keep bowing to each other and stating it at the end of every point we make about artists and their music.

So, if I think 50 Cent is an awful rapper now. That's what I'll say. I'm not going to say "I think 50 Cent is awful but hey, it's all subjective and if you like him that's cool and I'm not trying to be offensive here". It's false, it's over the top and we all need to grow up and learn to take points on the chin. I take plenty on the chin with artists that I like so why can't you / you all. It's called discussion.

I only flipped in response to people who were fucking face-palming me and saying 50 Cent is a great rapper and he has one of the best flows in the business. Now, if I think that statement is ludicrous - what do you want me to do? not respond. How are they not trying to force ME to agree with them by saying that? just because they didn't put it as strongly?

They stated their opinion, so let me state mine. If you don't wish to join in the discussion: don't. But don't quote me telling me what I can or can't say or how to say it. We can all make our points and all respond to each other, if you dislike the discussion at hand, stay out of it. But do we really need this constant fucking highlighting of "come on man, it's just subjective, you're just trying to force people to think like you". NO, no I'm not. Again:

TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE
TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE
TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE

How many more times do you want me to acknowledge it. I know people's taste is subjective and I don't care what people like, but if you're on a forum and you're making statements such as '50 Cent has one of the best flows in the industry' at me then I have just as much right to respond as the person had to make that statement in the first place.

So leave the discussion be. Forums would be a pretty boring place if all everybody ever did was agree with each other on every single point or never ever posted anything contradicting each other.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

50 cent is very witty.

deal with it.

[Almostlity]

lmao

50 Cent > EmBases life

[stillmatic]

Embase, no one is saying don't discuss anything or to not voice opinion, the problem here is you're saying what you've said for as long as people can remember, it's nothing new, everyone knows what you think of 50 Cent. Everyone is on to the next one, whereas you keep bringing the discussion back. It's like banging your head against the wall, there's no winning, so why bother?

If I entered every Odd Future thread and every time no matter what the topic was about brought it back to how I think they're attention whores, does that not make it annoying? But it's DISCUSSION!! No homie, everyone already knows what I think of them, so there's no reason for me to keep bringing up old points to new threads for the sake of discussion.

Fwiw. you say you're telling me for the 100th time that you liked some of 50's music, well I'm telling you here for the 101st time that I never said you didn't like any of his music. Again, I never said anything about you relating to aspects of 50's music.

[EminemBase]

50 cent is very witty.

deal with it.

Lmfao. No, he's not. He's not witty at all.

To say he's even witty at all would be off but, VERY witty? you must have very low standards on what you consider witty.

[EminemBase]

Embase, no one is saying don't discuss anything or to not voice opinion, the problem here is you're saying what you've said for as long as people can remember, it's nothing new, everyone knows what you think of 50 Cent. Everyone is on to the next one, whereas you keep bringing the discussion back. It's like banging your head against the wall, there's no winning, so why bother?

If I entered every Odd Future thread and every time no matter what the topic was about brought it back to how I think they're attention whores, does that not make it annoying? But it's DISCUSSION!! No homie, everyone already knows what I think of them, so there's no reason for me to keep bringing up old points to new threads for the sake of discussion.

Fwiw. you say you're telling me for the 100th time that you liked some of 50's music, well I'm telling you here for the 101st time that I never said you didn't like any of his music. Again, I never said anything about you relating to aspects of 50's music.

Well I'll say what I like, when I like. That's basically that, and you can like or dislike that and you can keep telling me not to say certain things or to approach them differently but from now on you're wasting your breath as I'm not going through this mundane shit over and over.

I don't care if I've said it before. Almosity and classthe_king say the same shit every day too. Most people here and in life repeat themselves. A lot. I didn't start this thread. I came in, I stated an opinion regarding 50 being on Detox. That was RELATED to this thread, wasn't me just randomly going off on 50.

And then people responded at that, so I responded back. I'm not going to ignore statements I think are ridiculous directed at my argument. But I will be ignoring any future efforts by you to try and tell me to stop saying X or speak in a certain way so.... fill your boots.

I don't go in every 50 thread, but this one caught my eye as it was regarding him on Detox. So, I wanted to read the details and see what'd been said. And post. I'll go in any fucking thread I like, but I don't go around looking for threads to argue in, this was one of the top / main in the Hip-Hop section, that I fancied posting in. So I did. And I will, whenever, with or without your blessing.

And yes you have said a ton of times that if 50's not my thing so be it etc. which implies I haven't listened to him or that I hate him period. That's too broad a statement to make given the detail I've gone into explaining my exact position on him and why. So, if you don't wanna take part in the discussion why don't you stay out of it. Instead of creating this every time.

[TheGentlePlayer]

lmao

50 Cent > EmBases life

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