"Hip Hop Is A Lesser Form Of Music"

[Block]

Says the person who thinks because he played the guitar for 6 years and still sucks but is awesome at writing lyrics that it's like that for everyone.

So whose alias is this?

[dead prez]

Not only that, but phonetics play a big role. If it doesn't SOUND good, who cares how complex it is?

Rather simple beauty than petulant sophistry.

[classthe_king]

Says the person who thinks because he played the guitar for 6 years and still sucks but is awesome at writing lyrics that it's like that for everyone.

So whose alias is this?

Motherfucker

[WinstonMARX]

Says the person who thinks because he played the guitar for 6 years and still sucks but is awesome at writing lyrics that it's like that for everyone.

So whose alias is this?

Block's ugly momma's

[Kez]

I have better lyrics than most professional rappers

cocky fucker

[classthe_king]

I have better lyrics than most professional rappers

cocky fucker

Don't you have to be cocky to be a rapper

I live my life the R.A The Rugged Man philosophy

"I'm the best rapper alive and I would slaughter whoever gets on a track with me."

[Xray]

How many atmosphere's have been changed by "Lose Yourself" How many people feel pumped up when listening to "not afraid"?! That logic is heavily flawed. Lyrics could just as easily influene and change the "atmosphere" of a room and I for 1... and the most of this forum... will concur that the words are powerful enough to alter our mood.

Lose Yourself has an amazing beat, the beat itself pumps me up more than it's lyrics. Listen to the instrumental and then listen to the full song. You won't notice anything too great of a comparison. But listen to the acapella by itself and you'll realize without the beat, the song is nothing special besides it's great mixing. Simply because the beat is what represents that inspiration you feel when you hear it. All Eminem did on that song was capitalize on it's lyrics (which he got inspiration from the beat to do in the first place) and seal one of his greatest songs. You get what I'm saying? Rappers get their inspiration to do a track from the beat. From the beat...and then comes the lyrics. And would you agree with me that lyrics need a great flow and delivery to be good? Why do you think that? Because flow and delivery is basically a voiced out melody. There's a lot of songs out there that 'sound good' and get people moving and dancing with really bad lyrics, they change atmosphere's too, you know why? Because...it's music. Music doesn't even need to have any lyrics whatsoever to sound good.

It sounds more normal but no less natural. By creating music which is more than a whistle or inaudible hum, the human brain has already committed to an "unnatural" expression of self. Even great poetry writers who "sound natural" and "have a feeling" of words agree that time, effort and dedication are essential elements of great works.

Yes, music does need it's time and effort for it to sound best. But wouldn't you say it's more impressive for someone to be great in less time span? Say if we compared two rappers. One took a year and a half to make an album (which was a classic) and one took 10 years to make (which also was a classic) there's a difference. 10 years can ruin and change that albums title and theme so many times, it wouldn't feel natural anymore, it would feel forced. Because the artist is obviously suffering from a great distraction whereas a year and a half would be perfect to capture a theme of an album without having the need to force anything.

I'd definitely say it's better for a rapper to be more musical than technical. Why? Because it's music

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Glad we agree on that one.

[flyingmonkey10]

n*gga that's bullshit

[Devil'sAdvocate]

No,Lose Yourself is not great because of the beat.

The Lyrics are PERFECT.

[EminemBase]

Yo Eminembase, that is apples and oranges if I ever heard it. Of course classical music was far more technical and complex but that's not even what other genres focus on. Rock music has to be repetitive at some level to accompany vocals, a verse and a chorus somewhere along with bridges. Your argument that classical music is the best is about as valid as saying "Classical music just didn't have as strong vocals as rock music". Apples and oranges, as is this whole argument.

What are you talking about. Try reading my full post. My whole point was the point that you're making here - that genres focus on different things so to compare them as if it's a competition is missing the point, and quite strange. As they don't aim for the same things.

You just read the bit you wanted to read and then responded. Open your fucking eyes.

[Xray]

Lose Yourself has an amazing beat, the beat itself pumps me up more than it's lyrics. Listen to the instrumental and then listen to the full song. You won't notice anything too great of a comparison. But listen to the acapella by itself and you'll realize without the beat, the song is nothing special besides it's great mixing. Simply because the beat is what represents that inspiration you feel when you hear it. All Eminem did on that song was capitalize on it's lyrics (which he got inspiration from the beat to do in the first place) and seal one of his greatest songs. You get what I'm saying?

No, nobody gets what you're saying. What you're saying is moronic, just like everything you say.

Yeah, the lyrics/vocals on Lose Yourself are nothing special.

Pipe the fuck down you ginger faggot 'fore I pour some acid on your head and turn you into a fucking bottle of coke. Get your ponytail off your face and stop shoving your fingers down your ass you fucking scumbag. lol at the cocky smiley. Have you ever made a beat in your life faggot? Do you even know what a beat is you faggot? Besides reading about it in a book you low inexperienced turd piece of rotten worms. Have you ever recorded a decent enough song to post yet faggot? Oh yeah, I forgot it's the faggot that talks about lyrics when his lyrics are garbage, and the faggot that goes around spreading false ginger knowledge about rap like it's fucking halloween, yet you don't have the balls to even drop a song yet, you wack piece of shit. Put your studio beats by dre away, you're embarrassing your headphones, their making you think you sound nicer but you sound like ass. Visit your nearest asian store and buy one of those shitty 2 dollar headphones and then listen to your songs, yep faggot, your qaulity is so bad you need shitty headphones just to hear your soft pitched pussy of a voice. "Yow yow, It's Amadeo, the fucking ginger breadman maaaaaaaan".

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Lose Yourself has an amazing beat, the beat itself pumps me up more than it's lyrics. Listen to the instrumental and then listen to the full song. You won't notice anything too great of a comparison. But listen to the acapella by itself and you'll realize without the beat, the song is nothing special besides it's great mixing. Simply because the beat is what represents that inspiration you feel when you hear it. All Eminem did on that song was capitalize on it's lyrics (which he got inspiration from the beat to do in the first place) and seal one of his greatest songs. You get what I'm saying?

No, nobody gets what you're saying. What you're saying is moronic, just like everything you say.

Yeah, the lyrics/vocals on Lose Yourself are nothing special.

Pipe the fuck down you ginger faggot 'fore I pour some acid on your head and turn you into a fucking bottle of coke. Get your ponytail off your face and stop shoving your fingers down your ass you fucking scumbag. lol at the cocky smiley. Have you ever made a beat in your life faggot? Do you even know what a beat is you faggot? Besides reading about it in a book you low inexperienced turd piece of rotten worms. Have you ever recorded a decent enough song to post yet faggot? Oh yeah, I forgot it's the faggot that talks about lyrics when his lyrics are garbage, and the faggot that goes around spreading false ginger knowledge about rap like it's fucking halloween, yet you don't have the balls to even drop a song yet, you wack piece of shit. Put your studio beats by dre away, you're embarrassing your headphones, their making you think you sound nicer but you sound like ass. Visit your nearest asian store and buy one of those shitty 2 dollar headphones and then listen to your songs, yep faggot, your qaulity is so bad you need shitty headphones just to hear your soft pitched pussy of a voice. "Yow yow, It's Amadeo, the fucking ginger breadman maaaaaaaan".

[Block]

Amadeo, why is it that every time you're in this type of predicament you end up pulling the straw man card almost instantly?

I don't believe I have ever seen you actually refute someone's argument. All you do in every one of your posts is respond with some nonsense about grammar.

Who's the predictable one?

Maybe if you could actually create a verse with substance, and not just pick out multie-syllabic rhymes from Eminem songs, your opinions in music might be taken a little more serious. Just a thought.

[1TS OK4Y]

Technically, it is. Most artists in any genre can write lyrics well. Singing requires more talent than rapping. So does playing an instrument.

That being said, hip hop is still my favorite genre.

[Block]

Amadeo, why is it that every time you're in this type of predicament you end up pulling the straw man card almost instantly?

I don't believe I have ever seen you actually refute someone's argument.

Straw man: "an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position."

How am I misrepresenting XRay's position? His position was that LY's lyrics/vocals are nothing special, and only the beat is special. Are you misusing/misunderstanding terms again, Block?

And what actual argument did XRay make that I can refute? I am more than happy to refute his idiotic assertion that the lyrics/vocals of Lose Yourself are nothing special, but XRay didn't seem willing to argue about that. Instead, he chose to attack me personally (this is called an ad hominem) and bring out those hilarious insults he's known for on this forum. Those insults were devastating. I don't know how I'm going to recover from being told I have a ponytail and Dr Dre headphones.

Naturally, I thought I'd tear apart XRay's shitty, embarrassing insults.

Your last response to Xray was a text-book straw man response. Misunderstanding? Hardly. That's all your argument EVER are. Well, unless you choose to argue semantics (and fail).

See, what you do is you take what is said; misconstrue it; then regurgitate it in the form of some nonsensical, pseudo-intellectualized babble. At the end of every one of your posts, the argument--inevitably--ends up being about grammar.

I'm pretty sure that your entire posting 'career' on TRshady could be summed up as one big fallacy.

And Lose Yourself isn't anything spectacular. The storytelling is average, and the rhymes are predictable Eminem rhyme schemes. I suppose you can say that it's good because of the fact he has those schemes in a story-telling song. Subjective at best.


Also, how many people are you going to use the same insults / arguments against? Do you copypasta your arguments and just change the subject matter within? Every time you fucking post it sounds the same as the last time: "Blah blah blah drivel blah blah embarrassment to society blah blah blah grammar blah blah blah spelling blah blah blah eminem blah blah blah I'm better than you blah blah blah"

I mean, really? REALLY, Amadeo? Don't you have a new routine yet? For someone who is supposedly as intellectual, versed and cultured as you claim to be, your posts certainly tend to sound a bit monotonous.