"Hip Hop Is A Lesser Form Of Music"

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Who's the highest selling artist of the decade?
Not any rappers u mentioned
Stfu with this underground shit no one knows who this rug man is
I can ask my whole school and not one person will know about him
when I say eminem everyone knows who he is

"I don't want fans who don't know who G Rap is." - Rugged Man.

[dead prez]

I assume it would be an ad hominem, but we all like to commit that every now and than, no biggie. But I think his last sentence would be poisoning the well, which is a variation of ad hominem.

Anyways

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixdky-GT_0U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIQPRyVQriY

R.A. The Rugged Man reminds me of a white OBD if anything, one thing's for sure, he definitely collabarated with some of rap's best mcs, which I can't say the same for Eminem.

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I assume it would be an ad hominem, but we all like to commit that every now and than, no biggie. But I think his last sentence would be poisoning the well, which is a variation of ad hominem.

Anyways

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixdky-GT_0U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIQPRyVQriY

R.A. The Rugged Man reminds me of a white OBD if anything, one thing's for sure, he definitely collabarated with some of rap's best mcs, which I can't say the same for Eminem.

I see.

@the underlined part: Although I think Rugged is dope, the argument was never if he was better than Eminem or not. It was whether or not he created the style that Eminem got so famous for. Which he did.

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Well I mostly meant his persona outside of music, cause they don't really have a similar rap style (R.A. The Rugged Man & ODB), his career is extremely similar to Percee P actually, and has a similar scheme to him if anything. But I agree with the base of your argument, Eminem wasn't a pioneer or innovator in any sense of the word, he did some things really well, but nothing original.

[FreeSpeech]

For everyone saying Em jacked RA's style, did it ever occur to you Em more than likely never heard of RA? They're from completely different regions. It's not like today where you find out about rappers on iTunes, Facebook, RapRadar, here, etc. RA would have gotten 0 airplay in Detroit, and I doubt many if any of his music was sold in Detroit stores. Even most people nowadays don't know RA, why would Em have heard of him in the mid 90s? RA's never been on MTV, or really any media at all. Like, not a single person would know of Hopsin outside of Cali without the internet, RA's the same way.

[Block]

^^ are you crazy? Everyone knew R.A. In the 90's... Have you not seen who he has worked with? To liken his fame to a hopsin-esque stature is beyond demeaning. R.A. wasn't underground in the 90's. And I'm almost certain he was on mtv more than once.

Most people now a days have no idea who 'poose, Rakim or G rap are, that doesn't make them any less than what they are.

Also, if that were the case, (your different regions argument) how come he had heard of Cage? Cage is a NY emcee.

Your argument is speculation, at best. Plus, no one said he jacked the style... I said he didn't originate it.

[FreeSpeech]

^^ are you crazy? Everyone knew R.A. In the 90's... Have you not seen who he has worked with? To liken his fame to a hopsin-esque stature is beyond demeaning. R.A. wasn't underground in the 90's.

Most people now a days have no idea who 'poose, Rakim or G rap are, that doesn't make them any less than what they are.

Wikipedia scholar

No, everyone didn't. I was young then, but older fam/friends can back me up, plus I know what I'm talking about. So what he worked with some famous people? That doesn't make you blow up. He was essentially confined to NY. Name 3 big songs he was on that Em would have heard. What was that song he did with Biggie? Oh yeah, "Cunt Rennaissance". Damn, I bet that radio friendly track got huge spins. You honestly think RA's albums were sold in Detroit? Try thinking and not just reading Wiki entries.

[EminemInsider]

"Block spelled an irrelevant artist's name incorrectly. This means his argument is void!!" What fallacy is this, Diction?

No, dickface. I know this stuff because I read. Doesn't the process of learning consist of hearing (or reading/hands-on) things and then repeating them? Trying to pass off your lack of knowledge on me doesn't make your retardation any more valid than it was the first time you were wrong.

That's called regurgitating. Some idiot on a message board wrote the generic, "Eminem bit so-and-so" and you slurped it up instead of actually doing real research and listening to the rappers and seeing whether there was any credence to what you read. That's why you didn't even know how to spell "Esham." You state so authoritatively that Eminem "bit" guys like Esham, and feign hip hop knowledge, yet you can't even spell the guy's name right because you never went beyond the point of regurgitation. Pseudo-expertise at its finest.

Fans claim Eminem bit everyone's style, from Esham to Cage to Masta Ace to Canibus. It's all hilariously stupid. But you knew that. Keep trollin' trollin' trollin.

I find it funny that someone who can't even spell 'R.A. The Rugged Man' correctly, and obviously knows nothing about him, his history (OR any hip hop history that predates Eminem, for that matter), is attempting to discredit him. You fucking imbecile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq42QzLTaqc

Numerous people refer to him as "R.A. da Rugged Man." I don't like him; his music is utterly awful. Worst. Delivery. Ever. Hence, I don't own his albums and never paid him much heed after sampling a few of his songs, laughing at how atrocious his shit is, and moving on. I never checked on what his "official name" is. Why would I care?

^^ Crustified Dibbs. A.K.A. 'R.A. The Rugged Man' - Bloodshed Hua Hoo. (c) 1992.

Not enough proof for your bird brain?

Proof of what? That he's the most dissimilar rapper to Eminem, ever? That's he's absolute trash?

Beginning his rap career at age 12, RA quickly developed a style and reputation of being a ruthless MC. By 18 and after a nine label bidding war, he signed to Jive Records as Crustified Dibbs. In 1994 due to violent and disgusting behavior, Jive dropped his up coming album and Dibbs was blackballed from the music industry. Feared by industry executives, rumors of RA defecating on a studio soundboard and breaking property at a Jive Records headquarters helped further a reputation of being a madman. Though hated among the industry, RA has continued his career for over ten years.

In his career RA has worked with Notorious B.I.G, Mobb Deep,Tragedy Khadafi, various Wu-Tang Clan affiliates (Killah Priest, Timbo King, Masta Killa, Hell Razah), Jedi Mind Tricks, Agallah, Sadat X, Akinyele, Prince Po, Craig G, Company Flow, and J-Live, as well as producers Erick Sermon, Trackmasters, DJ Quik, Alchemist, J-Zone, Binky Mac of Allfrumtha I, Stoupe The Enemy Of Mankind, Bronze Nazareth, and Ayatollah.

Mangy little peasant.[/quote]

Hey look, you can copy and paste.

[Block]

^^ are you crazy? Everyone knew R.A. In the 90's... Have you not seen who he has worked with? To liken his fame to a hopsin-esque stature is beyond demeaning. R.A. wasn't underground in the 90's.

Most people now a days have no idea who 'poose, Rakim or G rap are, that doesn't make them any less than what they are.

Wikipedia scholar

No, everyone didn't. I was young then, but older fam/friends can back me up, plus I know what I'm talking about. So what he worked with some famous people? That doesn't make you blow up. He was essentially confined to NY. Name 3 big songs he was on that Em would have heard. What was that song he did with Biggie? Oh yeah, "Cunt Rennaissance". Damn, I bet that radio friendly track got huge spins. You honestly think RA's albums were sold in Detroit? Try thinking and not just reading Wiki entries.

Wiki?

When someone comes with facts they're either A. Trolling or B. Reading wikipedia? Is that how we back down from something we cannot refute? "LOL WIKIPEDIA!!"

Try again. I don't read wiki, and the quote I posted about R.A.'s career was from a track on youtube.

R.A. was big in the early 90's whether you choose to believe it or not. HOW would he have the reputation to do the songs with those "famous people" if he didn't have a name for himself? Rap was all about reputation in the 90's.. You couldn't just buy a collab with a big artist (for the most part). And the artists he worked with were huge... So don't try to tell me that, "lol they were from different regions.. No one would have heard of him!!" There are three reasons your argument is invalid and my argument above stands firm.. One: He MUST have had a rep to work with the names that he worked with (and he did). Alchemist and Erik Sermon were some of the biggest producers of the 90's.. You think Em couldn't have gotten ahold of a mixtape or two with a R.A. song on it? The chances of him NOT having heard of R.A. are slim-to-none. two: NY hip hop was at it's height in the 90's. There's no way, with a reputation like he had, that R.A. wasn't heard of through out the nation. (atleast to some extent) Just by the pure popularity of N.Y. hip hop... EVERYONE wanted to hear what was coming from NYC. Third: Kind of ties in with number two. They're both East Coast.. R.A. had a name and a rep. Cage wasn't as big as R.A. was back then, and yet Em heard of him...

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Wiki?

When someone comes with facts they're either A. Trolling or B. Reading wikipedia? Is that how we back down from something we cannot refute? "LOL WIKIPEDIA!!"

Try again. I don't read wiki, and the quote I posted about R.A.'s career was from a track on youtube.

R.A. was big in the early 90's whether you choose to believe it or not. HOW would he have the reputation to do the songs with those "famous people" if he didn't have a name for himself? Rap was all about reputation in the 90's.. You couldn't just buy a collab with a big artist (for the most part). And the artists he worked with were huge... So don't try to tell me that, "lol they were from different regions.. No one would have heard of him!!" There are three reasons your argument is invalid and my argument above stands firm.. One: He MUST have had a rep to work with the names that he worked with (and he did). Alchemist and Erik Sermon were some of the biggest producers of the 90's.. You think Em couldn't have gotten ahold of a mixtape or two with a R.A. song on it? The chances of him NOT having heard of R.A. are slim-to-none. two: NY hip hop was at it's height in the 90's. There's no way, with a reputation like he had, that R.A. wasn't heard of through out the nation. (atleast to some extent) Just by the pure popularity of N.Y. hip hop... EVERYONE wanted to hear what was coming from NYC. Third: Kind of ties in with number two. They're both East Coast.. R.A. had a name and a rep. Cage wasn't as big as R.A. was back then, and yet Em heard of him...

Don't forget he's relying on anecdotal evidence to strengthen his point and brushing yours off becuase it came from a certain place, regardless of if it was right. i.e. Genetic Fallacy (and yes I love shouting out fallacies, I'm that pretentious, loll.)

[Block]

That's called regurgitating. Some idiot on a message board wrote the generic, "Eminem bit so-and-so" and you slurped it up instead of actually doing real research and listening to the rappers and seeing whether there was any credence to what you read. That's why you didn't even know how to spell "Esham." You state so authoritatively that Eminem "bit" guys like Esham, and feign hip hop knowledge, yet you can't even spell the guy's name right because you never went beyond the point of regurgitation. Pseudo-expertise at its finest.

Fans claim Eminem bit everyone's style, from Esham to Cage to Masta Ace to Canibus. It's all hilariously stupid. But you knew that. Keep trollin' trollin' trollin.

I spelled his name wrong because I don't listen to him. A misspelling dictates that a person has never listened to an artist? Really? What fallacy would this be? Another ad hominem? Sit down. Shut up. You're out-sourced.

I find it funny that someone who can't even spell 'R.A. The Rugged Man' correctly, and obviously knows nothing about him, his history (OR any hip hop history that predates Eminem, for that matter), is attempting to discredit him. You fucking imbecile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq42QzLTaqc

Numerous people refer to him as "R.A. da Rugged Man." I don't like him; his music is utterly awful. Worst. Delivery. Ever. Hence, I don't own his albums and never paid him much heed after sampling a few of his songs, laughing at how atrocious his shit is, and moving on. I never checked on what his "official name" is. Why would I care? [/quote]
Didn't you just make an entire argument about the spelling of an artist's name? Now you're trying to back peddle because you did the same thing? Hmm... Nice try. You dug that hole, asswhipe.

^^ Crustified Dibbs. A.K.A. 'R.A. The Rugged Man' - Bloodshed Hua Hoo. (c) 1992.

Not enough proof for your bird brain?

Proof of what? That he's the most dissimilar rapper to Eminem, ever? That's he's absolute trash?

Yep, RA Da Rugged Man invented being a crazy white guy.

^^^ I'm going to safely assume that the last quote in this series was sarcasm. Therefore, the quote you quoted of mine is, in fact, proof that R.A. originated the 'Crazy white guy' style. Hence the (c) 1992. YEARS before Eminem was EVER relevant to ANYONE.

Beginning his rap career at age 12, RA quickly developed a style and reputation of being a ruthless MC. By 18 and after a nine label bidding war, he signed to Jive Records as Crustified Dibbs. In 1994 due to violent and disgusting behavior, Jive dropped his up coming album and Dibbs was blackballed from the music industry. Feared by industry executives, rumors of RA defecating on a studio soundboard and breaking property at a Jive Records headquarters helped further a reputation of being a madman. Though hated among the industry, RA has continued his career for over ten years.

In his career RA has worked with Notorious B.I.G, Mobb Deep,Tragedy Khadafi, various Wu-Tang Clan affiliates (Killah Priest, Timbo King, Masta Killa, Hell Razah), Jedi Mind Tricks, Agallah, Sadat X, Akinyele, Prince Po, Craig G, Company Flow, and J-Live, as well as producers Erick Sermon, Trackmasters, DJ Quik, Alchemist, J-Zone, Binky Mac of Allfrumtha I, Stoupe The Enemy Of Mankind, Bronze Nazareth, and Ayatollah.

Mangy little peasant.[/quote]

Hey look, you can copy and paste.

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It's just more proof that R.A. originated the style that Eminem got famous for. It doesn't matter how poorly you believe it was done; he created it. The argument was never about whether or not Eminem did it better; it was (and will remain) whether or not he originated that style. HE DIDN'T.

There's no pseudo-knowledge about anything when it comes to this subject. Everything I've stated is 100% factual. You can try to discredit me all you'd like, but you can't argue facts... But that's what you like doing, isn't it, Insider? Attempting to argue the facts that sit right in front of you, by somehow changing the argument to suit your needs.. Try again, child. Try again.

[EminemInsider]

I spelled his name wrong because I don't listen to him. A misspelling dictates that a person has never listened to an artist? Really? What fallacy would this be? Another ad hominem? Sit down. Shut up. You're out-sourced.

No, misspelling the rapper's name DOES indicate you really don't know much about him, though...and hence shouldn't be feigning some sort of detailed understanding of hip hop. You're just repeating what you heard from others, period.

Didn't you just make an entire argument about the spelling of an artist's name? Now you're trying to back peddle because you did the same thing? Hmm... Nice try. You dug that hole, asswhipe.

1. I didn't claim to be some sort of hip hop guru, as you did.

2. I listened to a couple of his tracks and, from those, could tell he was nothing like Eminem.

You, on the other hand...your entire argument hinges on what other people have claimed, not the music itself.

^^^ I'm going to safely assume that the last quote in this series was sarcasm. Therefore, the quote you quoted of mine is, in fact, proof that R.A. originated the 'Crazy white guy' style. Hence the (c) 1992. YEARS before Eminem was EVER relevant to ANYONE.

Oh, it is? Didn't diction point out that ODB was doing "crazy black man" before RA was doing "crazy white man?" Oh, I forget, it only counts if the rapper is the same skin color.

Honestly, Eminem is more similar to Vanilla Ice stylistically than he is to RA. That's how stupid this whole thing is.

Every rapper who came after the first rapper ever is a biter, I guess.

It's just more proof that R.A. originated the style that Eminem got famous for. It doesn't matter how poorly you believe it was done; he created it. The argument was never about whether or not Eminem did it better; it was (and will remain) whether or not he originated that style. HE DIDN'T.

Oh, well that proves it all right. If a Youtube video's description says it, it must be so.

I don't see where anyone claimed Eminem originated the concept of saying "crazy shit," anyway. You're just isolating one specific-yet-broad category for the sake of being argumentative.

There's no pseudo-knowledge about anything when it comes to this subject. Everything I've stated is 100% factual. You can try to discredit me all you'd like, but you can't argue facts... But that's what you like doing, isn't it, Insider? Attempting to argue the facts that sit right in front of you, by somehow changing the argument to suit your needs.. Try again, child. Try again.

You have butchered that poor word, "facts," so many times. Leave the poor word alone.

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Everything you have just said in the quote below has absolutely no new value to it. Literally EVERYTHING you just said, you said earlier, and I refuted it.


"so because a youtube video says it, makes it so." No, dumb ass, because it's TRUE makes it so.

I never claimed to be a 'guru' of hip hop. I simply said your knowledge is obviously lacking. You're attempting to put words in my mouth that have never come out of it. Try again? What will you cook up this time? Each time you post you're digging deeper and deeper... But you're used to that, right? I'm yet to see you post anything relevant to any thread you post in.

I spelled his name wrong because I don't listen to him. A misspelling dictates that a person has never listened to an artist? Really? What fallacy would this be? Another ad hominem? Sit down. Shut up. You're out-sourced.

No, misspelling the rapper's name DOES indicate you really don't know much about him, though...and hence shouldn't be feigning some sort of detailed understanding of hip hop. You're just repeating what you heard from others, period.

Didn't you just make an entire argument about the spelling of an artist's name? Now you're trying to back peddle because you did the same thing? Hmm... Nice try. You dug that hole, asswhipe.

1. I didn't claim to be some sort of hip hop guru, as you did.

2. I listened to a couple of his tracks and, from those, could tell he was nothing like Eminem.

You, on the other hand...your entire argument hinges on what other people have claimed, not the music itself.

^^^ I'm going to safely assume that the last quote in this series was sarcasm. Therefore, the quote you quoted of mine is, in fact, proof that R.A. originated the 'Crazy white guy' style. Hence the (c) 1992. YEARS before Eminem was EVER relevant to ANYONE.

Oh, it is? Didn't diction point out that ODB was doing "crazy black man" before RA was doing "crazy white man?" Oh, I forget, it only counts if the rapper is the same skin color.

Honestly, Eminem is more similar to Vanilla Ice stylistically than he is to RA. That's how stupid this whole thing is.

Every rapper who came after the first rapper ever is a biter, I guess.

It's just more proof that R.A. originated the style that Eminem got famous for. It doesn't matter how poorly you believe it was done; he created it. The argument was never about whether or not Eminem did it better; it was (and will remain) whether or not he originated that style. HE DIDN'T.

Oh, well that proves it all right. If a Youtube video's description says it, it must be so.

I don't see where anyone claimed Eminem originated the concept of saying "crazy shit," anyway. You're just isolating one specific-yet-broad category for the sake of being argumentative.

There's no pseudo-knowledge about anything when it comes to this subject. Everything I've stated is 100% factual. You can try to discredit me all you'd like, but you can't argue facts... But that's what you like doing, isn't it, Insider? Attempting to argue the facts that sit right in front of you, by somehow changing the argument to suit your needs.. Try again, child. Try again.

You have butchered that poor word, "facts," so many times. Leave the poor word alone.

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I don't see where anyone claimed Eminem originated the concept of saying "crazy shit," anyway.

His brand of lyricism was so influential

Emphasis on his. Sorry, it's not his at all.

[classthe_king]

95% of the time I say this I'm trolling but Emineminsider really does lack the ability to comprehend simple concepts.