Lil B, genius or gimmick?

[DƎRDYPK]

[VenomBlackViper]

So goes to show you really shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Unless it says The Bible on the front, in which case: you may like to keep that one by the shitter in case you run out of toilet paper.

LOL @ everyone getting all ass hurt because you said that, no one gets mad when you insult Cinderella or The Three Little Pigs.

[Satire]

You said the Bible's only good for wiping shit on it. I'm no saint, but yes I take offense to that and you sound like a jerkoff. I'm not a fan of everything organized religion does, but I'm not arrogant enough to say BS like that.

You've proven you're not as smart as you act.

You've fallen into the predictable trap of thinking religion deserves more respect than anything else.

Would you take the same offence if I said a certain CD was only good for a coaster? or if a certain political standpoint was nonsensical? I seriously doubt it.

Religion has demanded more respect, historically, as it's strangled and bullied the masses and public opinion. It's despicable in so many ways and deserves not one fucking ounce of respect. Teaching children - innocent children (who are literally born to listen to adults) that believing things without evidence is not only good but a VIRTUE and something to be proud of is dangerous, damaging and irrational.

That element aside, it's also caused nothing but mass-murder and misery since the beginning of time due to it being a PATH to extremism. So before you say 'oh that's just some' no - it's not the people, religion makes people that way. As it's circular and self-destructive. Asserting that something is true because it's true, because - it just is, can only lead to irrational behavior if programmed into somebody's brain, contradicting reality and logic.

You think you should respect it more due to the fact vulnerable or brainwashed people believe in god and because it's concerning life after death, which is a sensitive and uncomfortable issue for most as instinctively - you don't want to die. So it's as if you feel you need to 'protect' people's wishful thinking. And I couldn't give a flying fuck who disagrees with that, as it's true. It's a psychological crutch and - if it did no harm, fair enough, but it's an ugly, horrid, ancient, delusional construct that slows and perverts mankind and progression in so many twisted and shocking ways.

You think you should be able to critique or speak about people's taste in music or anything else anyway you like but that religion deserves a free pass and it's 'offensive' to say ANYTHING other than positive things about it. That's totally fucking ridiculous, it's madness - it's childish and irrespective of whether you believe in god or not - that comment is jokey and take it on the fucking chin.

If anybody believes in it that much it shouldn't matter what I or anybody say. As you know I'm going to hell and am wrong right? so why would a silly comment matter to you. It only proves that deep deep down inside most people truly can't believe it themselves which is why these comments or ANY questioning gets to them so much. Hence the need for constant mass affirmation, to keep 'convincing' one another that it's true (church). As logically, your brain denies it. Since it can't be true.

If religious people kept their beliefs to themselves I wouldn't have a problem. But that's the thing, they don't. They teach their childre... sorry, FORCE their children to believe it, just because they do - warping their minds with nonsense and then they grow up and automatically teach their children.

Questioning things is healthy, humour is healthy. Wrapping your beliefs up in cotton wool and saying nobody is allowed to question, joke about or contradict them is unhealthy and pathetic.

I for example 'believe' in Evolution. Now, it's in fact technically as much a scientific fact as any we know. But, we say it's a theory, scientifically, as we only have back-evidence and can see the after-effects of course. But... if somebody said they would wipe their ass with The Origin of Species - would you jump to my defence in the same way?

I seriously fucking doubt it. And no, it's not different. You've just been conditioned to think it is, as that's been religion's trick of never being questioned or proven wrong. By being bigoted and forceful.

So, I'm glad we're on no terms. Eat a dick, fucking moron.

Jesus Christ.

[FreeSpeech]

Jesus Christ.

OMG

[classthe_king]

[momentsgolden]

Science is way of thinking following logic and reasoning with a basis and a form of "proving" shit. What you dont realise is that people have DIFFERENT value systems and DIFFERENT ways of forming them and they deserve equal respect. If i come, WITH LOGIC and try debate you WITH LOGIC in a scientific term and you can prove my logic is flawed, laugh all you want, i dont fucking care.


But religion is NOT a science. It has never been based on evidence and never will be. Its based on NATURAL human value systems... hell, physcologists say religion was NECESSARY. So, it needs to be respected as a parallel system of belief. I'm a strong catholic with strong anti-violent stance, anti-gay stance, pro-democracy stance. And everything. But, i dont go about laughing at Gays. I JOKE about it but as long as its not primarily offensive, real... whatever, i cant articulate it but the same way YOU defend Eminem on the MMLP is the same way you'd defend yourself if you "joked" about religion. No, Eminembase, this is NOT a joke. Its a personal attack when you SERIOUS (like an actual homophobe) joking about a gay person to someone who doesnt like it.

In another forum which tolerates elitism you could go unabated. I'm MAD and proudly CHRISTIAN in being so.

[classthe_king]

Would you take the same offence if I said a certain CD was only good for a coaster? or if a certain political standpoint was nonsensical? I seriously doubt it.

Erm...If I said The Eminem Show was better off as a coaster the Eminem Section would be gathering the torches and pitchforks

[VenomBlackViper]

@momentsgolden Kinda ironic you have a Welcome 2 Hell sig.

[FreeSpeech]

In another forum which tolerates elitism you could go unabated. I'm MAD and proudly CHRISTIAN in being so.

Haha don't worry about it. EmBase is bipolar (I'm not saying that condescendingly, he is) and flips out at random.

I'm Christian too. The problem is people confuse religion with spirituality. I don't feel with getting into a theological debate on a rap forum, but there's a big difference. I'm spiritual, not religious. Science and spirituality go hand in hand, if people bothered to learn. Any doubters, go study entropy, relativity, etc. I'm not one to explain it, especially here.

Erm...If I said The Eminem Show was better off as a coaster the Eminem Section would be gather the torches and pitchforks

*Bad Influence voice* DO IT! Seriously, I wanna see this. Angry Stans

[Kez]

It's funny that you're all talking about bullshit religions when the only real religion is to follow Based God

[momentsgolden]

@momentsgolden Kinda ironic you have a Welcome 2 Hell sig.

I do, because its art. Its ART. Different from reality. Like i said in my post, if we were hypothetically speaking whether religion deserves to be treated with such disdain i'd be game for the jokes. But Base was serious, and that bothers me. When Eminem was SERIOUS about some of his shit- Kim, Columbinine lines etc... i get offended and avoid it. Plus, just for good measure, i've made no secret i hate Relapse.

Erm...If I said The Eminem Show was better off as a coaster the Eminem Section would be gather the torches and pitchforks

*Bad Influence voice* DO IT! Seriously, I wanna see this. Angry Stans

he always does. Case in point Sadistick > Eminem thread.

It's funny that you're all talking about bullshit religions when the only real religion is to follow Based God

haha

[EminemBase]

Science is way of thinking following logic and reasoning with a basis and a form of "proving" shit. What you dont realise is that people have DIFFERENT value systems and DIFFERENT ways of forming them and they deserve equal respect. If i come, WITH LOGIC and try debate you WITH LOGIC in a scientific term and you can prove my logic is flawed, laugh all you want, i dont fucking care.

Firstly, yes I do understand that people have different value systems. But you can't choose your own value system for reality.

You can choose to believe, whatever you like. But you can't assert something is 'true' in any real sense as reality is BASED on logic. So you cannot assert there is a god, in this Universe which is GOVERNED by the laws of Science and then say it's a separate debate.

It's not a separate debate, "is there a god" is a scientific question. As if there was a god, this Universe would be a very different Universe.

And Science and religion certainly fucking DO NOT deserve equal respect. Science progresses mankind and relieves humans of stress, provides us with entertainment, medicine, safety and knowledge. It continues to help us grow, become smarter, more aware, live longer and show us the world we live in - why it functions like it does, and why we are like we are.

Where as religion teaches people to believe something because it's a nice thing to believe and that it cannot and should not be questioned. And to do so is not only a sin and unethical but offensive and damnable. Also, every organized religion is rampant with racism, homophobia, sexism and regardless of whether you say "I don't believe those bits" or not is not relevant, as many people (especially in baron lands COUGH Middle East) do and it continues to breed ignorant, violent people.

So as you can clearly see, one of those things - Science aka logic and reason lead to the opportunity of progression, organization, structure, stability and solution. And the other - religion aka ill-logic leads to circular thinking, anger, violence, destruction, and absolutely putrid behaviour. Irrational thinking produces irrational behaviour. Racism, sexism and homophobia are all irrational, so is it any shock that many organized religions of the ancient peoples aka uninformed, illogical peoples of history advocates them so whole-heatedly?

They are in no way comparable. Science is pure, and true. And unbiased, and only aims to get to the truth and only cares about reality that is - things that can be proven with evidence conditioned by the laws of science. It's impersonal and helpful. Where as religion is personal but highly unhelpful. And, it making some people feel comforted isn't helpful enough, verses the evil it causes.

But, i dont go about laughing at Gays. I JOKE about it but as long as its not primarily offensive, real... whatever

Well, joking about anything is fine. It depends where the joke comes from. It's ridiculous to say you can't joke about something, it depends what the joke is.

Nothing should be free from questioning or humour, certainly not fucking religion. Science isn't and scientists don't get offended or up in a public huff if people question or joke about what they do - they get on with it. So why the fuck should you be any different. Get a fucking back-bone.

As for comparing joking about gays to joking about religion - this just proves how brainwashed you have been into thinking religion is the utmost virtue of mankind. People cannot control what gender of person they are attracted to. It's genetic and uncontrollable.

Where as, religion is not genetic or a neccesary truth. It's something that is up for debate and which causes serious damage to Earth and humanity and has done ever since it's existed. So if you're seriously suggesting we cannot even question or talk about something which has such effects - you can go fuck yourself. As, gay people don't harm you or anybody else do they.

But irrespective of that, it's fine to joke about people being gay also. And I'm sure most sensible, normal gay people wouldn't mind. Because they logically know that they are gay and that's that, where as your belief is governed by an irrational, wishful desire and circular thinking pattern - so anything that interrupts that angers you as you wish for it to be left still.

If you're not big enough to digest a joke or handle criticism of your belief, tough fucking luck. That's your problem not mine. I have to deal with people 'offending' my beliefs everyday too. Plenty of idiots say things which I see as ridiculous or wrong, but I don't tell them they can't say it or it's offensive. I respond back, or if it's a joke - joke back.

So stop being such a fucking baby and treat your precious belief like everybody has to treat the rest of their beliefs. If you want it to be treated / respected so equally, then it shouldn't get special fucking treatment. As Science doesn't get that treatment, so that's hardly equal is it.

Life is offensive, get used to it. And if a silly little joke about me wiping my ass with The Bible gets to you that much - you're in for a shock. As there's a lot worse than that to be said and that will be said to you in life. So you better get used to it and toughen up. Or you'll be pretty easily crushed.

i cant articulate it but the same way YOU defend Eminem on the MMLP is the same way you'd defend yourself if you "joked" about religion. No, Eminembase, this is NOT a joke. Its a personal attack when you SERIOUS (like an actual homophobe) joking about a gay person to someone who doesnt like it.

In another forum which tolerates elitism you could go unabated. I'm MAD and proudly CHRISTIAN in being so.

No no no. It is NOT a personal attack. Once again, how dare you think you can compare believing in a fictional dictator is equivalent to being gay. You cheeky fuck.

You think it's overly offensive as you're used to people pandering to your belief and protecting it like a little baby chicklet, never daring to joke or question it for fear of you throwing your toys out of the pram, or for fear of damaging your childish wish.

So because of that, and because of society's history of doing that, if anybody even makes the LIGHTEST joke or comment on religion, it feels hyper-offensive to people. Even people who aren't religious. As they've been conditioned to think it's deserving of high respect no matter what.

Me refusing to give an irrational belief that causes death and destruction and perverts our politics, standards and self-respect is NNNNNNNNNOOOOOTTTTTTHHHIINNNG like me or somebody being predujist against somebody who is gay, or black - ie. having an irrational hate against somebody for something they cannot control.

I don't have an 'irrational hate' of religious people. I have a rational conclusion that god is not logically possible and I have a rational conclusion that organized religion is a dangerous, despicable thing, due to its content, history, effects and teaching. And, it's not a personal attack as you do not own the belief. I didn't insult you, or anybody personally. I insulted a book, a book of rubbish. Now, it's my opinion that it's rubbish - if you don't like that, tough.

But how dare you say I'm personally attacking you because you happen to believe it's not rubbish and hold the 'not rubbish' information close to you. If somebody said an Eminem album was shit I wouldn't say they were personally attacking me would I. That would be insane. They're attacking the quality of the music, anybody who takes that upon them to mean it's an attack on them - is their own enemy.

Absolutely, totally different. So get that through your fucking skull.

[EminemBase]

Would you take the same offence if I said a certain CD was only good for a coaster? or if a certain political standpoint was nonsensical? I seriously doubt it.

Erm...If I said The Eminem Show was better off as a coaster the Eminem Section would be gathering the torches and pitchforks

Yeah, that's called a debate though. That's normal and healthy.

And, I wouldn't flip-out. I'd ask you why you think that and then discuss it with you. And disagree with your points accordingly, but it'd be a discussion not an irrational, babyish spazz-out. I wouldn't tell you "you can't say that, that's offensive".

Freedom of speech is one of our most important values and rights, and for religion to think it can dare have the privileged OVER it, for the sake of never being disagreed with is profoundly arrogant and ridiculous. And for people who aren't even religious to agree with that just proves what a truly sad state we're in, from religion's after-effects.

[momentsgolden]

This should be fun. Its 4:30 in the morning, i'm tired as fuck and i got exams coming up. Will read your post, expect a reply soon.

[Kez]

On topic though, I don't get this Lil B guy. He seems to me to make the kind of music you have to be high as fuck all the time to enjoy. (Case in point: PK)