Tech N9ne Reacts To Chart Success, Talks Eminem

[JasonOne99]

rhyming is not everything, lyrics (words) are more important, I'd take Beautiful over any song after Refill.

Even Going Through Changes and 25 To Life?

[JasonOne99]

I like it more than them, but those tracks are one of the few 2010 em tracks I actually love

What songs that he put out last year did you like?

[momentsgolden]

By Innovation's logic, If I Had is LAZY rhyming and a bad track because it uses the Word I alot.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Ok,Lello.

I want you to explain what a "shit flow" and a "fucked up structure" are,since you are an expert at that.

Em's vocab was never very impressive so you CANNOT go and say Old Em had a better choice of words,because Em goes where the rhyme takes him,Rhyming is the biggest part of lyricism,thats a FACT,if Rock Bottom or Lose Yourself had only end rhymes they would have been very mediocre joints,try taking replacing the rhymes (words) with other words that do not rhyme and see for yourself dipshit.

what is a good verse structure in your very important opinion?

While B.O.B was very generic and boring on Airplanes,why did not Eminem take it in your opinion?

What is a good punchline in your opinion,what should it have? shock value,surprising Element,Wordplay?

How is a good punchline delivered?

What do you have against the recovery tracks you dont like bar Not Afraid? What is their biggest flaw?
do them individually if you please.

Try to sound logical,because i will fucking refute every un-logical point you will be coming up with ( i expect a lot)

go in depth dont just talk out your ass and throw unexplained phrases and words around.

tootles.

[Master Chief]

I was negating Master Chief's saying that N9na is one of the FEW who are able to beat new em on a track

Negating isn't a word. Perhapes you don't know what it is to be "Fast Lane'd", sure Eminem CAN be bested on a track. So could the Old Em. Scary Movies and She's The One anyone? Revelation? When The Music Stops? He didn't get killed like he did on Fast Lane but Royce & Proof did better on their respective songs. Name one tracks where Eminem has been killed as badly as he did on Fast Lane? Yeah, there is none. Joe Budden & Joell did better on Loud Noises but they didn't absolutely obliterate him. Outside Tech N9ne, Royce, Copywrite, Crooked and a couple more emcees, no one can absolutely KILL him/Fast Lane him on a track. Oh and stop overrating the Old Eminem, please. There were emcees at the time that could best him on a track as well, Old Em wasn't the invincible emcee.

Anyone who believes that Beautiful is better than Deja Vu, Going Through Changes or 50% of Recovery is insane. Lazy rhyming, terrible, drooling zombie voice, just awful lyricism. The only good things about it the hook and the content. Production is meh.

lello was right tbh. hundreds of rappers would drop a better verse than Eminem nowadays. Sadly he made the mistake of saying it on a Eminem forum.....

HundredS = plural. 200+ emcees are better or on the same level as Eminem? That's bullshit. Plus this quote (minus the blatant exaggeration) could apply to the Old Em because he has been beat on a few tracks as well.

[Innovation]

By Innovation's logic, If I Had is LAZY rhyming and a bad track because it uses the Word I alot.

You haven't fully understood the point I was trying to put across.

The If I Had comparison isn't accurate at all for what I was trying to point out. I wasn't complaining about him using a word a lot of times. I was simply stating that him using "back up" at the end of the line three times as apart of the rhyme scheme is lazy.

Also, where did I say Beautiful is a bad track? I actually said it's one of my favourite tracks from Eminem since his comeback. I never suggested this made the track bad.

Anyone who believes that Beautiful is better than Deja Vu, Going Through Changes or 50% of Recovery is insane. Lazy rhyming

Thank you.

[momentsgolden]

The If I Had comparison isn't accurate at all for what I was trying to point out. I wasn't complaining about him using a word a lot of times. I was simply stating that him using "back up" at the end of the line three times as apart of rhyme scheme is lazy.

On If I Had he uses it at the START of the whole song so the position of using the words is the problem I'm neither here or there about either rhymes but there seems to be an inconsistent way of rating complexity/effort in your valuations.

lello was right tbh. hundreds of rappers would drop a better verse than Eminem nowadays. Sadly he made the mistake of saying it on a Eminem forum.....

Actually, i beg to differ. If we were to use the same barometer to see who has a better verse (take your pick between content/delivery/rhymes/humor/lyricism) no way we'd get HUNDREDS of rappers. Unless, of course, the rating system is consistently change to support collaborator's A strong point and Eminem's weakness on the track in question.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

I was negating Master Chief's saying that N9na is one of the FEW who are able to beat new em on a track

Eminem CAN be bested on a track. So could the Old Em. Scary Movies and She's The One anyone? Revelation? When The Music Stops? He didn't get killed like he did on Fast Lane but Royce & Proof did better on their respective songs. Name one tracks where Eminem has been killed as badly as he did on Fast Lane? Yeah

While nickle was incredible on Scary Movies,he did not outshine Em.

royce did outshine Em on She's The One,really did,yes royce did kill Em on Fast Lane

Yes he got killed on When The Music Stops,he had the better verse on Revelation though.

Im just waiting till lello answers me,go on guys

[Innovation]

On If I Had he uses it at the START of the whole song so the position of using the words is the problem I'm neither here or there about either rhymes but there seems to be an inconsistent way of rating complexity/effort in your valuations.

Let's put If I Had out of the question, it's irrelevant. There's an obvious difference between the two.

A simple question, do you not see how this can be seen as lazy?

Fell down and I got right back up
But I need that spark to get psyched back up
In order for me to pick the mic back up

[momentsgolden]

@Freedoom Actually, no. Eminem was on "The Anthem" in '99 at the PEAK of his powers and people still to this date debate who stole that show. From common consensus, Krs-1 had the best... at least at the time.
People always say Eminem ethered Jay Z on Renegade but its only because Nas said so. jay held his own.
As Master Chief pointed out, Eminem would have inferior verses alot on D12 tracks (When the Music stops for example) and we all know none of those guys is AMAZING
Royce held his own and even bettered Eminem (at least some people reasonably believe so) on old BME tracks
People still argue Biggie had the Better verse on Dead Wrong

So, no, your assertion that Eminem never COMPETED with other rappers in his prime is wrong. Truth is, like Royce said, when someone raps at a certain level, its all a matter of opinion and preference.

Now, @Innovation- how is that irrelevant? Its using YOUR judgement of lazy rhyming and applying it across the board so as to see if its objectively true or a subjective application of opinion. To answer your question, no, i dont think its lazy rhyming. Its not lyrical greatness by any means but the repetition of a word is consistently used for emphasis and that is what the whole track is about. It serves its purpose.

[Innovation]

@Freedoom Actually, no. Eminem was on "The Anthem" in '99 at the PEAK of his powers and people still to this date debate who stole that show. From common consensus, Krs-1 had the best... at least at the time.
People always say Eminem ethered Jay Z on Renegade but its only because Nas said so. jay held his own.
As Master Chief pointed out, Eminem would have inferior verses alot on D12 tracks (When the Music stops for example) and we all know none of those guys is AMAZING
Royce held his own and even bettered Eminem (at least some people reasonably believe so) on old BME tracks
People still argue Biggie had the Better verse on Dead Wrong

So, no, your assertion that Eminem never COMPETED with other rappers in his prime is wrong. Truth is, like Royce said, when someone raps at a certain level, its all a matter of opinion and preference.

Now, @Innovation- how is that irrelevant? Its using YOUR judgement of lazy rhyming and applying it across the board so as to see if its objectively true or a subjective application of opinion. To answer your question, no, i dont think its lazy rhyming. Its not lyrical greatness by any means but the repetition of a word is consistently used for emphasis and that is what the whole track is about. It serves its purpose.

Either you haven't fully understood what I meant by lazy rhyming or I haven't explained it clearly enough. The example you used with If I Had was totally irrelevant. Those words weren't meant to be rhymed with each other. He used to to set up a bar and then had a multi at the end. Where as on Beautiful, those were obviously being rhymed with each other.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

@DA, first of all yes em did have better vocabulary, em now fill's his rhyming and bars with cusses when he has nothing to say, and most of the time none of his sentences are cohesive.


Shit Flow, is that horrible flow em has now, what else is their to be explain? flow can't be explained why it's good or not.

Fucked Up Strcuture:

the rhymes are inserted at random places, no organisation in the verses, in the same verse instead of:

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his sentences became like this:

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with the pauses to fill in the gasp of words or the unessecary cuss here and there.


B.o.B was not fuckin generic, he had great verses, the reason why eminem didn't take it, was cause b.o.b's verses were better


and about punchlines, first of all, a punchline should NOT be based on a corny subject, what the punchline is about affects it's quality


"I'll piss a happy meal off" that's the equivalent of a child saying: i will turn your happy face into a sad one

Worldplay is essential in a punch, it all depends on what words you are playing.

And the type of punchline: xxxxx in other words yyyyyy, is lame, just as lame as the young money type of punchline, i'll xxxx - something related to x (i'll kill your mama - orphan)

shock value increases in the quality of a punchline but it's not always necessary.

example of a punchline I love from new em (from underground): cut your fucking head off and ask where your headed off too, get it? headed off too? (witty, shock value, funny, and good)



How is a good punchline delivered? --> question makes absolutley no sense. if you got the right type of punchline with good wordplay, it's a good punchline, what does delivery have to do with it? delivery affects the quality of a song not of a punchline
(though yelling out the part you want noticed does take it down a notch, she' still a MALE .... LADY!!! though i like the punch)

What do you have against the recovery tracks you dont like bar Not Afraid? What is their biggest flaw?
do them individually if you please.

Do them individually? like I got the time to go and disscet every line of every track @12:30 am, just to argue with you about it? lol

as a whole:

-Big quantity of punchlines, most of them not that good
-Horrible Delivery (shouting) and bad flow and bad structure
-Gay beats & features
-Bad execution of the tracks (except some great ones though)



lol @u thinkin i give a flyin fuck enough to waste my time on this

and chief, I dodn't know that by fast laned you ment completley humiliate, I thought it just ment outshined, and Em was better on scarymovies IMO

i answered myself,you talked straight out your ass.

@ the delivery of a punchline,the delivery of the punchline is very important.

going by your logic,Em should open the dictionary and choose big words to use when writing? that is what u meant

Yes,the quality of the flow can be explained,you just dont know how to,expected.

ahh what you mean is how he cuts some sentences and adds the rhyme in the middle of the second bar,while he only did it like 2-3 times in 2010 and he did do it some times before,but arent you the one who sais rhyming is not important,well i guess sometimes Em likes to answer your call,fucking douche.

LOL @ the break down of the tracks you dont like on recovery.

[Innovation]

em should not use big words from the dictionary, he just needs to know how to form sentences again.

Love The Way You Lie? Amadeo explained in good detail how well structured that song is.

[Innovation]

did I say EVERY song?

he just needs to know how to form sentences again.

That suggests he is unable to "form sentences" does it not?

[Innovation]

most of the time yes, but doesn't apply to every song

You didn't make that abundantly clear which is why I pointed out LTWTL.