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Songs that people love but you hate

Postby StanBase » Jun 20th, '11, 12:10

The opposite of Omega's thread, deal with it :coffee:

Mine:
Kim - I really don't get what's so AMAZING about this song :zipped:
Cleaning out my closet - Don't really feel this song at all
Mockingbird - Hate it
Same song and dance - I don't hate it at all, but everyone else is workshipping it, average IMO
On fire - I know it got dope rhymes, beat and flow. I just don't feel it like everyone else on tr :'(

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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby StanBase » Jun 20th, '11, 12:43

Lello wrote:looks at first two songs - gtfo out this thread forever, bye

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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby EminemBase » Jun 20th, '11, 13:06

StanBase wrote:Mine:
Kim - I really don't get what's so AMAZING about this song :zipped:
Same song and dance - I don't hate it at all, but everyone else is workshipping it, average IMO


On "Kim" - What's amazing about it is the execution and nuance. And realism. Rather than do what the vast majority of pedestrian rappers and lyricists would do with this and rap about it like it already happened, or, in third person - he raps about it like it's happening right in the moment, using the lyrics for direct conversation. Which makes the song totally come alive and it feels like you're hearing the event happen, for real, every time.

And, it's very hard to write lyrics which sound like real conversation and especially true, genuine and believable angry conversation and outburst and make it TRULY believable and yet still structured and rhyme etc.

Not to mention his voice acting which is, insane. When you consider the thought in some of his writing such as him shouting to change the radio station in the car as he hates the song - most writers wouldn't think of a detail like that which really draws your mind into the situation and conjures up a more real, live and rich environment in your mind.

Whenever he story tells there's always a lot of character in his characters. As in, there's attention to detail, things the characters notice or talk about as if they were really in X environment, things which advance the plot in comical ways or add an extra element. All these aspects and the very execution of the song and sheer balls and confidence of it makes "Kim" pure brilliance.

It's a total indulgence in anger and fantasy. He also is very good at making things feel 'alive' in general. Even when being ridiculous, just little concepts such as... on "My 1st Single" (and yes, it's a bad, stupid song) - the concept of him burping in the chorus and 'fucking up' the song as if he couldn't go back and change it lmao. The concept of that means he's implying what you're hearing is 'alive' every time you hear it, as if 'Eminem' only exists in this song format and the real world is not relevant to the art. It's things like this that take what he does to another level.

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On "Same Song and Dance" - I think it's just a brilliantly creepy, calmly executed, smooth track. The way he kills a new victim on each verse and again, the detail in some of the lines and ideas is great.

First of all, his rhyming and flow are fantastic, and the concept to the chorus and the idea of it being his victim's 'last song and dance' and it also being a play / flip on songs that sound similar and are cliche but, it being like a murder chant storytelling track is just great.

Then, like I say - take some of the detail in the lines, my personal favourite being:
"Come on toots, give me the Valium - alley-oop / I'll slam dunk it in your mouth till ya puke / And just as soon as you pass-out in your alphabet soup"

He's a very visual writer and where as a lot of lyricists would simply mention the plain action of doing something ie. stabbing somebody, shooting somebody, torturing somebody etc. - he'll mention specific little details that are one hundred times more effective than obvious, over the top descriptions. Little details which visually conjure up some little cartoonish idea or realistic moment.

And, he's very comical. I think a lot of his real humour is lost on a lot of his fans. He has a very British sense of humour, he can be very subtle with his wording. Not always of course, lately he pretty much smashes a sledge hammer against your head, but there's still nuance to things he says.

Such as using the word 'toots'. It's not totally uncommon but it's comical, it's a cutesy and slightly informal but friendly word which is obviously not a common / normal word for somebody of our generation to use, and certainly not in that context. He's using it ironically, to make himself sound creepy.

And that's what's funny to me. And what always has been and the element he's never truly lost - making himself a creepo weirdo, an asshole - the loser, the freak. Everybody else wants to look cool and be king, and whilst he still can be cocky and assertive, he's the first to put himself down and paint himself in an unfavorable light. Especially when in character, his comedy comes from self put-down and tongue in cheek creepiness.

And, in that line, using 'alphabet soup' to imply Britney is this teenie-bopper child star still, as if she forever exists in that image time bubble lmao. Then you have the imagery of that actually happening which is fun. Other rappers would just say "as soon as you pass out..." - it's the little addition of the 'alphabet soup' which sets him apart. This is why I love Relapse so much, there's lots of nuance. He was clearly focused on what he was doing and him saying he was loopy or 'coming out' of the drugs is an excuse and a crock of shit.

You can't write an album as detailed and well-written as Relapse unless you are totally focused, sharp and in your write mind.
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby SajN » Jun 20th, '11, 13:08

StanBase wrote:Cleaning out my closet - Don't really feel this song at all

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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Jun 20th, '11, 13:34

ok,nikka said kim and SS&D

while SS&D is in my top 15 Eminem tracks,everything about that track is perfect tbh.

kim is genius too.

i hate like toy soldiers.
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby StanBase » Jun 20th, '11, 13:36

Devil'sAdvocate wrote:ok,nikka said kim and SS&D

while SS&D is in my top 15 Eminem tracks,everything about that track is perfect tbh.

kim is genius too.

i hate like toy soldiers.

That's the thing about SS&D, it's in everyone's top 15! I still like it, and love the idea about it, but still don't like it half as much as the other members do :confusion:
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby StanBase » Jun 20th, '11, 13:42

I take back what I said about Kim because of EminemBase.
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby randomgirl » Jun 20th, '11, 15:24

Two that come to mind right now:

Space Bound -- never could get into it.
Going Thru Changes -- should be called Deja Vu part two. It's practically the same song all over again.
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby buffalo bill » Jun 20th, '11, 15:31

On Recovery: Cold Wind Blows and Cinderella Man. Yeah, fuck you.

And Not Afraid if that one still counts.
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby JasonOne99 » Jun 20th, '11, 15:35

C.R.E.A.M wrote:When The Music Stop - Yes you read it right, eat a dick
Bully - ^^
Spend Some Time - I dislike it but I don't hate it, but eat a big fat motherfucking dick
Underground - I don't hate it, I dislike it, but eat a big fat motherfucking dick

And most of Recovery :

Talkin' 2 Myself
W.T.P :shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:
Not Afraid :shakehead:
No Love
Space Bound
Cinderella Man
LTWYL :shakehead: :shakehead:
You're Never Over :shakehead:

These songs aren't loved and especially not on here.
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby The Shady Virus » Jun 20th, '11, 16:08

almost famous, cinderella man :coffee:
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby richard » Jun 20th, '11, 16:18

lose yourself, stan, rock bottom

but really though, space bound. i find it funny how space bound is rated so highly but people complain that LTWYL is all soft...
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby whiteamerica » Jun 20th, '11, 16:58

agree with stanbase on SS&D i don't like it as much as people around here seem to. i get the idea that EmBase posted something a long time ago about it, similar to what he posted in this thread, and everyone jumped on the BaseWagon and decided it was top 15 forever.

that's about the only song that gets absurd amount of praise imo.

i'm excluding the zealots who praise all this new garbage as if it's memorable.

trigger, masterchief, etc.
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby Amaranthine » Jun 20th, '11, 17:18

richard wrote:lose yourself, stan, rock bottom


Why? :confusion:

I'm not a huge fan of Cold Wind Blows.
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Re: Songs that people love but you hate

Postby randomgirl » Jun 20th, '11, 18:00

richard wrote:but really though, space bound. i find it funny how space bound is rated so highly but people complain that LTWYL is all soft...

This!!! :y:

Geno wrote:Don't hate them whatsoever, but I NEVER listen to Lose Yourself or Stan.

This, but I listen to them VERY VERY rarely. My iTunes says the last time I played Stan was in March. I don't know why I do that, though. I love both songs.
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