Reactions if a new artist released Relapse?

[I'mShady]

What if a rapper had Relapse as his first album? What do you think the general public and the critics would say?
Lyrically is really impressive so what do you think everyone would think of it. If people can go crazy about "Goblin" i don't see a reason why someone wouldn't called that "new rapper" phenomenal.

[IcedSlim Shady]

What if a rapper had Relapse as his first album? What do you think the general public and the critics would say?
Lyrically is really impressive so what do you think everyone would think of it. If people can go crazy about "Goblin" i don't see a reason why someone wouldn't called that "new rapper" phenomenal.

nobody could write something like relapse.. so.. stop dreaming

[Fa-Q]

nobody could write something like relapse.. so.. stop dreaming

Shut up.



It will be received good, "Goblin" is a piece of shit so Relapse by ___ HAS TO be received good or else there's something wrong with our world

Hell, I think the accent would be a "positive, cool add" to the album.

I agree with Cash Rules Everything Around Me Cream get the money....got a dolla bill yaaal

[Rash J]

Hell, I think the accent would be a "positive, cool add" to the album.

I agree

[EminemBase]

I think it'd get an overwhelmingly positive reaction. Or, a reaction of intrigue anyway. As it'd be totally strange and new. It was strange and new anyway but, because people are used to Eminem being extreme, and wanted a different style, it got bad treatment.

Almost every criticism I see of Eminem from critics these days is on the themes they think he 'should' be rapping about, or which Eminem they want.

That's bad criticism. As a critic, you should process, comprehend and judge what's put in front of you. Regardless. As little truly personal bias or opinion should come into the equation as possible. The more that does, the worse the criticism.

So, if you look at a lot of Relapse's mixed reviews, a lot of them were because the critic didn't think the album was fitting for a return, for Eminem, at this point. That's a CAREER criticism. You can't say the album is bad because you don't agree with his career direction lmao.

Think about it, if Relapse came out, as it is, let's say it was Em's first... I think it'd get a huge reaction. Because think of how tight the rhymes and flow are, and how 'out there' some of the visuals and little concepts are, and how descriptive and vivid the storytelling... people would be blown away. But they expect so much with Eminem. They know what he can do already.

So it gets harder and harder to impress. And the more you continue, the more people wrongly confuse material with career / image. Even if you HATE horrocore or the subject-matter of Relapse, as a critic - your job should be to understand the album's aim and decide, through as much logical justification as possible: how well the album achieved its aim(s) and in what way(s).

If you're judging a piece of art, especially one as abstract and over the top as Relapse, of such clear fictional nature... it's ridiculous and again, bad criticism to even consider Eminem as a PERSON. That's not relevant. All that is relevant is his CREATION. Not the artist that created it.

Can you imagine if Van Gough painted a new painting and a critic went "well, the three-dimensional interpretation is simply genius BUT... personally I wanted him to paint more flowers so... 1 out 5." It doesn't even matter if you dislike the subject-matter as a critic. If you take that into account, all you're doing is adding another spurious opinion among millions. And, we can all do that. I know you can't totally divorce yourself from taste, but you can objectively break something down and whether or not it achieves what it sets out to and how well it does. OUTSIDE of your taste.

So you could say, with Relapse... Em was aiming to indulge in character and spit vivid raps, and push his rhyming and flows to new greatness. And then ask yourself how well he did those things, and why he did / didn't achieve those things.

That said, Relapse is fucking awesome.

[MOD22]

I don't think Relapse is that bad like most of people here think!

[Fleka]

I think that nobody else could get away with Relapse. Most people just can`t get over the accents so they don`t even hear the lyrics and flows and great rhyming.. Relapse is amazing. And I think if a new artist released Relapse, he would flop badly. Only Eminem can release that and get it to be successful.

[Sukot]

I think it would've had a very positive reception because people wouldn't have had any expectations before listening to it.

[Scrubz]

I think it'd get an overwhelmingly positive reaction. Or, a reaction of intrigue anyway. As it'd be totally strange and new. It was strange and new anyway but, because people are used to Eminem being extreme, and wanted a different style, it got bad treatment.

Almost every criticism I see of Eminem from critics these days is on the themes they think he 'should' be rapping about, or which Eminem they want.

That's bad criticism. As a critic, you should process, comprehend and judge what's put in front of you. Regardless. As little truly personal bias or opinion should come into the equation as possible. The more that does, the worse the criticism.

So, if you look at a lot of Relapse's mixed reviews, a lot of them were because the critic didn't think the album was fitting for a return, for Eminem, at this point. That's a CAREER criticism. You can't say the album is bad because you don't agree with his career direction lmao.

Think about it, if Relapse came out, as it is, let's say it was Em's first... I think it'd get a huge reaction. Because think of how tight the rhymes and flow are, and how 'out there' some of the visuals and little concepts are, and how descriptive and vivid the storytelling... people would be blown away. But they expect so much with Eminem. They know what he can do already.

So it gets harder and harder to impress. And the more you continue, the more people wrongly confuse material with career / image. Even if you HATE horrocore or the subject-matter of Relapse, as a critic - your job should be to understand the album's aim and decide, through as much logical justification as possible: how well the album achieved its aim(s) and in what way(s).

If you're judging a piece of art, especially one as abstract and over the top as Relapse, of such clear fictional nature... it's ridiculous and again, bad criticism to even consider Eminem as a PERSON. That's not relevant. All that is relevant is his CREATION. Not the artist that created it.

Can you imagine if Van Gough painted a new painting and a critic went "well, the three-dimensional interpretation is simply genius BUT... personally I wanted him to paint more flowers so... 1 out 5." It doesn't even matter if you dislike the subject-matter as a critic. If you take that into account, all you're doing is adding another spurious opinion among millions. And, we can all do that. I know you can't totally divorce yourself from taste, but you can objectively break something down and whether or not it achieves what it sets out to and how well it does. OUTSIDE of your taste.

So you could say, with Relapse... Em was aiming to indulge in character and spit vivid raps, and push his rhyming and flows to new greatness. And then ask yourself how well he did those things, and why he did / didn't achieve those things.

That said, Relapse is fucking awesome.

shit... let me get my reading glasses...

[EyeQ200]

I agree with C.R.E.A.M & EmBase

I don't think Relapse is that bad like most of people here think!

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[8milestyle]

EmBase nailed it. If this was a new rapper's first album, that would be amazing. Think about how new and different it would sound. Shit, Goblin ain't that great, everybody is just praising it for being different. Just like Relapse. And once you got to Stay Wide Awake, it'd be game over.

[TheGentlePlayer]

I think it'd get an overwhelmingly positive reaction. Or, a reaction of intrigue anyway. As it'd be totally strange and new. It was strange and new anyway but, because people are used to Eminem being extreme, and wanted a different style, it got bad treatment.

Almost every criticism I see of Eminem from critics these days is on the themes they think he 'should' be rapping about, or which Eminem they want.

That's bad criticism. As a critic, you should process, comprehend and judge what's put in front of you. Regardless. As little truly personal bias or opinion should come into the equation as possible. The more that does, the worse the criticism.

So, if you look at a lot of Relapse's mixed reviews, a lot of them were because the critic didn't think the album was fitting for a return, for Eminem, at this point. That's a CAREER criticism. You can't say the album is bad because you don't agree with his career direction lmao.

Think about it, if Relapse came out, as it is, let's say it was Em's first... I think it'd get a huge reaction. Because think of how tight the rhymes and flow are, and how 'out there' some of the visuals and little concepts are, and how descriptive and vivid the storytelling... people would be blown away. But they expect so much with Eminem. They know what he can do already.

So it gets harder and harder to impress. And the more you continue, the more people wrongly confuse material with career / image. Even if you HATE horrocore or the subject-matter of Relapse, as a critic - your job should be to understand the album's aim and decide, through as much logical justification as possible: how well the album achieved its aim(s) and in what way(s).

If you're judging a piece of art, especially one as abstract and over the top as Relapse, of such clear fictional nature... it's ridiculous and again, bad criticism to even consider Eminem as a PERSON. That's not relevant. All that is relevant is his CREATION. Not the artist that created it.

Can you imagine if Van Gough painted a new painting and a critic went "well, the three-dimensional interpretation is simply genius BUT... personally I wanted him to paint more flowers so... 1 out 5." It doesn't even matter if you dislike the subject-matter as a critic. If you take that into account, all you're doing is adding another spurious opinion among millions. And, we can all do that. I know you can't totally divorce yourself from taste, but you can objectively break something down and whether or not it achieves what it sets out to and how well it does. OUTSIDE of your taste.

So you could say, with Relapse... Em was aiming to indulge in character and spit vivid raps, and push his rhyming and flows to new greatness. And then ask yourself how well he did those things, and why he did / didn't achieve those things.

That said, Relapse is fucking awesome.

In other words, it will be received good

[BigBangBazinga]

People would call it a classic.


































And it is.

[BigBangBazinga]

I think it'd get an overwhelmingly positive reaction. Or, a reaction of intrigue anyway. As it'd be totally strange and new. It was strange and new anyway but, because people are used to Eminem being extreme, and wanted a different style, it got bad treatment.

Almost every criticism I see of Eminem from critics these days is on the themes they think he 'should' be rapping about, or which Eminem they want.

That's bad criticism. As a critic, you should process, comprehend and judge what's put in front of you. Regardless. As little truly personal bias or opinion should come into the equation as possible. The more that does, the worse the criticism.

So, if you look at a lot of Relapse's mixed reviews, a lot of them were because the critic didn't think the album was fitting for a return, for Eminem, at this point. That's a CAREER criticism. You can't say the album is bad because you don't agree with his career direction lmao.

Think about it, if Relapse came out, as it is, let's say it was Em's first... I think it'd get a huge reaction. Because think of how tight the rhymes and flow are, and how 'out there' some of the visuals and little concepts are, and how descriptive and vivid the storytelling... people would be blown away. But they expect so much with Eminem. They know what he can do already.

So it gets harder and harder to impress. And the more you continue, the more people wrongly confuse material with career / image. Even if you HATE horrocore or the subject-matter of Relapse, as a critic - your job should be to understand the album's aim and decide, through as much logical justification as possible: how well the album achieved its aim(s) and in what way(s).

If you're judging a piece of art, especially one as abstract and over the top as Relapse, of such clear fictional nature... it's ridiculous and again, bad criticism to even consider Eminem as a PERSON. That's not relevant. All that is relevant is his CREATION. Not the artist that created it.

Can you imagine if Van Gough painted a new painting and a critic went "well, the three-dimensional interpretation is simply genius BUT... personally I wanted him to paint more flowers so... 1 out 5." It doesn't even matter if you dislike the subject-matter as a critic. If you take that into account, all you're doing is adding another spurious opinion among millions. And, we can all do that. I know you can't totally divorce yourself from taste, but you can objectively break something down and whether or not it achieves what it sets out to and how well it does. OUTSIDE of your taste.

So you could say, with Relapse... Em was aiming to indulge in character and spit vivid raps, and push his rhyming and flows to new greatness. And then ask yourself how well he did those things, and why he did / didn't achieve those things.

That said, Relapse is fucking awesome.

In other words, it will be received good

Hahahahahah

"In English:"

[OMEGA]

Goblin is horseshit, I don't know what people are smoking when recommending that.

If a nobody released Relapse, it would have been called a breakthrough masterpiece that defied genre conventions.