Death is Certain

[Tash8]

I find Death Is Certain average and certainly couldn't call it a classic.

but it is a classic, so fuck your opinion.

Death Is Certain is easily my fav royce album and has been for a long time. Saying it "certainly" is not a classic is an insult to me...It's like someone coming up to me and saying MMLP is not a classic.

[EminemBase]

Saying Street Hop > Death Is Certain is like saying Relapse/Recovery is better than The Eminem Show.

Exactly the same.

No it's not like that at all.

On Street Hop, you have some nice concepts, some booming production, exciting and more impressive flows and overall better and more noteworthy rapping.

"Dinner Time" alone is more entertaining than Death Is Certain.

DIC, overall is a pretty dull, unexceptional rap album to my ears. He's not saying anything particularly unique or worth writing home about and he's not doing it in an interesting enough way. It's a lot of gun talk, basic 'friend shit' talk and, just generic ideas.

I want some innovation and creativity, this album doesn't demand my attention or make me want to rewind. Also, the tracks aren't unique enough from each other.

The attempts at wit aren't witty enough, the braggadocio doesn't have enough character and... everything about it just screams 'middle of the road'. They don't really feel like album songs, more like mixtape verses over good beats and random hooks.

If it's not artistic or unique in some way, it doesn't really interest me. As I could write about guns and how good I am myself.

Now, I know you severely disagree with that and that's fine. We can agree to disagree, there's no point going back and forth again at absolute insane length and probably end up insulting each other. You can't help what you like or, don't.

And to my ears, Death Is Certain is a chore not a pleasure. The rapping is good but not extraordinary and nothing is being said that hasn't been said by a plethora of other rappers in more interesting ways. Personally I think it's absolute madness you think it's one of the best rap albums you've ever heard but... there we go. That's people, we're different.

[Mahmoud48]

Bad Meets Evil > Death is Certain
he was boring in the past without marshal

[Raids-God]

I Think its madness that you prefer Dinner Time to ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIgDVx2zyuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx72PM4b_wE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=441oEDxg ... re=related

To be honest how can you call these track's chores ?
and a quick answer please, not a 60 page book about repeating yourself

[EminemBase]

^ "Hip-Hop" is the only track I'd accept as a better track overall. But it's still not as entertaining and I'd rather listen to "Dinner Time" over it.

As for how I can prefer it:
- it's more manic and enjoyable
- his rapping and lyrics are better

He's not even witty on Death Is Certain. Just endless lines about how nobody is hard, and how real he is. It's not creative, it's generic.

Plus I don't like laid back production. I don't know what you'd call that style of production on "Regardles", I'm know nothing about other genres, either way - something has to demand my attention, or impress me. Or it's boring.

Death Is Certain tracks don't demand my attention or impress me. There's spots throughout where his rhyming is impressive but, that's not enough to make it a good album to me, let alone a CLASSIC. That word is slung around VERY easily. Shocking.

He was still a good MC but wasn't saying anything, or in an interesting enough way.

Oh, and don't tell me how to respond. DIck face. I'll type as much as I like.

[Raids-God]

Im always gonna prefer DIC to SH, that just not gonna change, and you made valid points towards why you enjoy Street Hop more, and im sorry about the book line at the end, it was foolish

[EminemBase]

Im always gonna prefer DIC to SH, that just not gonna change, and you made valid points towards why you enjoy Street Hop more, and im sorry about the book line at the end, it was foolish

Alright, peace.

[EminemBase]

Also, just listed to Death Is Certain again and it's only reconfirmed my opinions on it. I'm sorry but, that's just a chore to sit through.

And, I've just now put on Street Hop and it's like heaven in comparison. It's like night and day. On Street Hop he's full of energy, he's revitalized, it's so much better.

He may still be talking about similar things on Street Hop but the presentation is so much more interesting. The production is 'alive' rather than 'asleep', Royce's flows are more varied and exciting, his lyrics are more consistent and noteworthy. The song ideas are better, and the songs are distinct from each other. Where as DIC is a slow-burn blur.

[ajsotb]

Also, just listed to Death Is Certain again and it's only reconfirmed my opinions on it. I'm sorry but, that's just a chore to sit through.

And, I've just now put on Street Hop and it's like heaven in comparison. It's like night and day. On Street Hop he's full of energy, he's revitalized, it's so much better.

He may still be talking about similar things on Street Hop but the presentation is so much more interesting. The production is 'alive' rather than 'asleep', Royce's flows are more varied and exciting, his lyrics are more consistent and noteworthy. The song ideas are better, and the songs are distinct from each other. Where as DIC is a slow-burn blur.

wellwhat are u expecting from success is certain based on what we know and writers block?

[EminemBase]

Also, just listed to Death Is Certain again and it's only reconfirmed my opinions on it. I'm sorry but, that's just a chore to sit through.

And, I've just now put on Street Hop and it's like heaven in comparison. It's like night and day. On Street Hop he's full of energy, he's revitalized, it's so much better.

He may still be talking about similar things on Street Hop but the presentation is so much more interesting. The production is 'alive' rather than 'asleep', Royce's flows are more varied and exciting, his lyrics are more consistent and noteworthy. The song ideas are better, and the songs are distinct from each other. Where as DIC is a slow-burn blur.

wellwhat are u expecting from success is certain based on what we know and writers block?

Well he's a better rapper now than what he was on Death Is Certain.

So, given his recent flow experimentation and what-not, and newfound inspiration with Slaughterhouse and Bad Meets Evil... I'm expecting some high-calbire rapping.

Nothing more, nothing less. I doubt Royce will ever truly put out a classic in my eyes as he's just not creative or unique enough. He's just a very good MC.

[EminemBase]

I find Death Is Certain average and certainly couldn't call it a classic.

but it is a classic, so fuck your opinion.

Death Is Certain is easily my fav royce album and has been for a long time. Saying it "certainly" is not a classic is an insult to me...It's like someone coming up to me and saying MMLP is not a classic.

Can you read or are you mentally retarded?

I said:
I find Death Is Certain average and certainly couldn't call it a classic.

I said I FIND it average and that IIIIIIIIIIII certainly couldn't call it a classic. You can't tell me what I can or can't 'certainly' find a classic or not.

I didn't say it's 'certainly not'. I said I certainly couldn't call it one. Learn to fucking read.

Secondly, it's really not like that at all. And I'll tell you why not... Death Is Certain was a warmly received, low-key hip-hop album. Even the critics who liked it didn't RAVE about it. The ones who liked it found it good or great, no critic I found called it a classic or a masterpiece.

Where as, The Marshall Mathers LP housed one of the most groundbreaking hip-hop songs ever ("Stan") and became the album of a generation. It was immediately praised by those who got it as a lyrical masterpiece and tour de force in head-fuckery.

The Marshall Mathers LP is a whole-other-level of album in comparison to Death Is Certain. They're not even close to the same league or being mentioned besides each other.

So, if you wish to think Death Is Certain is a classic in your eyes... fine. But it's not the same as The Marshall Mathers LP as MMLP is seen by many critics and hip-hop fans worldwide as a classic and Death Is Certain, is not. Outside of hardcore Royce fans you'd be hard-pressed to find a general hip-hop fan who'd call that album a classic.

Where as, even amongst Em HATERS, given that they're genuine hip-hop fans... you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who said MMLP WAS NOT a classic. Even the people who dislike Em can recognize its magnitude. It's a piece of art.

Death Is Certain, is just an album. A very average hip-hop album. There's not a single groundbreaking or strikingly original song or moment on it. There's nothing noteworthy about it.

[Master Chief]

Death Is Certain is known as a Hip Hop classic. In the Hip Hop community, Death Is Certain is a classic. You may not think so but you can't strip it from its title.

If you find illmatic boring and average, that's your opinion and that's cool. If you say YOU don't find illmatic to be a classic, that's strange... but it's cool and it's acceptable. If you say illmatic is not a classic, you are wrong. Straight up incorrect because one person cannot decide that.

The above applies to Death Is Certain.

Please refrain from repeating your views on the album as a response to this because that has nothing to do with what I just typed.

[slimshadylappin]

Death Is Certain is far to bland to be a classic. I admit it is amazing technically but its really boring. Brings nothing new to the table.

[Master Chief]

Death Is Certain is far to bland to be a classic. I admit it is amazing technically but its really boring. Brings nothing new to the table.

YOUR OPINION. YOUR OPINION. YOUR OPINION.

I don't find it bland AT ALL. Just because YOU think it's bland doesn't mean it's not a classic. To you sure, but again you CANNOT strip it from the title as a classic. I find Food & Liquor bland and boring but I can acknowledege the fact that it's a classic even though I don't think so. See? There's a difference.

[Manly Moose]

neither Food and Liquor or DIC are classic. I guess they can be in your opinion