Joe Budden vs. 2Pac

[Kevin Paul]

Emotion: Tupac by far

How can you say Pac by far? His emotion is not more genuine than Joeys they are both very emotional artists so that could go either way

Voice: Give me 20 minutes in NYC or Jerz and I can find someone with Budden's voice. Pac has arguably the greatest rap voice.

Agreed Joe has a very monotone voice while Pac's is iconic

Beats/production: Tupac, again.

Good argument but beats is pretty damn subjective and I much prefer Joeys production compared to Pacs

Multis: Joey isn't even that impressive or far ahead of Pac, but I'll give him this one.

Agreed moving on

Lyricism: Tupac by far. His social commentary and soulful rhymes >>>>> Joey's bitching and soap operas.

Bitching and soap opera because the dude uses music to tackle his problems? I guess eminem and every other rapper that does this is just bitching aswell..
And I would love to know what soulful rhymes are lol

Cultural influence: Seeing as how Budden has 0 and Pac coulda probably became governor of California
(and might have, conspiracy theory ), Tupac.

Agreed Tupac, but this has nothing to do with whos the better Mc

Persona: Lol. Tupac.

Lol who cares? Can you only like rappers that have an image that make you feel cool and badass?

In 30 years, Pac will still be a GOAT and Joey will be chasing his grandkids (assuming he doesn't beat the shit out of them in the womb first) hitting them with his cane for playing Pump It Up in the house.

Lol you really have something against the dude don't you?

[Master Chief]

Joe Budden and it's not a contest. Joe Budden's a much smarter lyricist. He has brilliant metaphors and similes, they honestly FAR, FAR surpass 2Pac's. Joe Budden is a better rhymer. Joe Budden has better and more creative concept tracks (In My Sleep, Exxes). Joe Budden has better production, imo. I can connect to Budden's music much easier than Pac's but I guess that's personal. I just feel Joe's emotion more, songs like Ordinary Love Pt. III, Dreamerz, Un4given and Follow My Lead are just stunning songs.

Only thing I would give 2Pac is delivery. That's it. And obviously impact and influence but that doesn't make him a better MC does it?

[Kevin Paul]

How can you say Pac by far? His emotion is not more genuine than Joeys they are both very emotional artists so that could go either way

lawl

Oh shit you got me there I didn't expect a witty alternatively spelled lol my way
You win be default.

Persona: Lol. Tupac.

Lol who cares? Can you only like rappers that have an image that make you feel cool and badass?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=110433&hilit=Personality

He has a personality in his music, as does Tupac and yes that is important but its not something that decides whos a better rapper when they both have great ones

[Kevin Paul]

Oh shit you got me there I didn't expect a witty alternatively spelled lol my way
You win be default.

Not as genuine as Joe's made it seem like Tupac's trying to fake his emotions while Joe's spitting naturally, that's why I said lawl

You misunderstood me I was saying Tupacs emotion is not more genuine than joeys because Freespeach said Tupac wins the emotional aspect "by far"
My point is they are both as emotional as each other

He has a personality in his music, as does Tupac and yes that is important but its not something that decides whos a better rapper when they both have great ones

True, both have great ones but you said :

Lol who cares?

Hence why I posted that link.

Who cares when they both have strong personalities on the mic was my point. How do you decides whos better when there both great but different? You can't objectively so there is not much point bringing it into the conversation

[Kevin Paul]

Ah right sorry for the confusion bro

[N.W.A.]

Budden is good and I really have nothing bad to say about the dude, but putting him in the same sentence as Pac is ridiculous.

[Master Chief]

-Emotion: 2pac by a long shot, he makes you FEEL HIM! (tupac voice: FEEL MEH!!!), sounds more passionate, and pure. Joey has the same tone most of his songs

Debatable.

Lyrics: Defiently 2pac, warning that I ain't talkin bout rhyming, I'm taking by words, meanings and messages

No. Joe Budden is a much better lyricist than 2Pac. He has a better vocabulary, better rhyming, better metaphors and better similes.

-Delivery and Voice: Easily 2pac, Joey has a boring delivery and aweful voice (in my ear's tastes), in the words of DA put to the opposite rapper though, budden puts me to sleep

Subjective. Joe Budden doesn't have an awful voice, wtf.

-Technichalities: Rhyming, here where joey is a bit more advance though 2pac ain't a bad rhymer himself, example:

A bit? 2Pac can't rhyme like Joey did on Loud Noises or Everybody Down. NEVER.

all in all, IMO 2pac is a way better MC, and as a bonus, he's also an immortal legend in the game, who will be remembered through generations to come

No that's not a fucking bonus.

[Blu]

all in all, IMO 2pac is a way better MC, and as a bonus, he's also an immortal legend in the game, who will be remembered through generations to come

I have to disagree. 2Pac is fading away every day. The kids of today don't listen to old school Hip-Hop, they listen to Lil Wayne, Drake, Mac Miller, and all those other homosexuals. None of my friends listen to 2Pac, Biggie, NWA, and if they do, it's just a small few. Admit it, 2Pac will be forgotten.

[Cokebottle]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Holy fuck this forum kills me sometimes, JOE BUDDEN???? The Emo failed mainstream rapper with a small emo white/mexican internet following/cult of complete and utter backward depressed people is being compared to 2Pac? I DARE ANYONE OF YOU TO SAY THAT SHIT TO A REAL HIP HOP FAN OUTSIDE OF THIS CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY FANTASY LAND.

[Master Chief]

I love how when people hate on Joe Budden, for the most part, they make it obvious that it's something personal they have against him.

Oh and this thread has finally convinced me that 2Pac is overrated. Thank you, Satire.

[Cokebottle]

I love how when people hate on Joe Budden, for the most part, they make it obvious that it's something personal they have against him.

Oh and this thread has finally convinced me that 2Pac is overrated. Thank you, Satire.

No its not personal its just it makes people angry when emo fucks like yourself ignore all of Joe Buddens flaws as a rapper even on the very surface such as him having absoutely no points in delivery whatsoever its actually horrific because you think you can relate to the same old depressed jibberish he feeds you all on every one of his songs. On a personal level i can see why alot of people would hate a self admitted woman beater yes who cowers everytime when confronted by a male, but its mostly about his terrible rapping. I Always said he should write pamplets on how to escape being suicidal etc because hes good with words and NOT come anywhere close to a microphone.

[Master Chief]

I love how when people hate on Joe Budden, for the most part, they make it obvious that it's something personal they have against him.

Oh and this thread has finally convinced me that 2Pac is overrated. Thank you, Satire.

No its not personal its just it makes people angry when emo fucks like yourself ignore all of Joe Buddens flaws as a rapper even on the very surface such as him having absoutely no points in delivery whatsoever its actually horrific because you think you can relate in some way depressed jibberish he leads you all along on. On a personal level i can see why alot of people would hate a self admitted woman beater yes who cowers everytime when confronted by a male, but its mostly about his terrible rapping. I Always said he should write pamplets on how to escape being suicidal etc because hes good with words and NOT come anywhere close to a microphone.

Point proven.

Lol, you're such a fucking idiot, you actually made it even more painfully obvious that you hate Joe Budden personally. Of course to somewhat make it sound like you're being reasonable, you throw in that his delivery sucks yet you didn't say ANYTHING else lmao. So if you don't like someone's voice/delivery they immediately suck? You shouldn't listen to rap music if that's the case.

Elaborate on how Joe Budden spits "depressed jibberish". You're essentially saying he's pretentious and what not. Show me one piece of evidence that supports your idiotic claim.

[Cokebottle]

I love how when people hate on Joe Budden, for the most part, they make it obvious that it's something personal they have against him.

Oh and this thread has finally convinced me that 2Pac is overrated. Thank you, Satire.

No its not personal its just it makes people angry when emo fucks like yourself ignore all of Joe Buddens flaws as a rapper even on the very surface such as him having absoutely no points in delivery whatsoever its actually horrific because you think you can relate in some way depressed jibberish he leads you all along on. On a personal level i can see why alot of people would hate a self admitted woman beater yes who cowers everytime when confronted by a male, but its mostly about his terrible rapping. I Always said he should write pamplets on how to escape being suicidal etc because hes good with words and NOT come anywhere close to a microphone.

Point proven.

Lol, you're such a fucking idiot, you actually made it even more painfully obvious that you hate Joe Budden personally. Of course to somewhat make it sound like you're being reasonable, you throw in that his delivery sucks yet you didn't say ANYTHING else lmao. So if you don't like someone's voice/delivery they immediately suck? You shouldn't listen to rap music if that's the case.

Elaborate on how Joe Budden spits "depressed jibberish". You're essentially saying he's pretentious and what not. Show me one piece of evidence that supports your idiotic claim.

Can you please learn to read? Your brain obviously chose to ignore this to try and make some retarded point:

'even on the very surface such as'

Again hopefully your brain is still on and you can see that im not hating on Joe Budden on a personal level im explaining to you why alot of people make fun of him on a personal level i.e the Raekwon incidient. As for his music theres VERY few good songs in his catalogue imo. While he has some good songs to me you can take 90% of them and group them together as 'depressed jibberish'. I call it depressed jibberish because thats what it becomes when you have a rich person with a better life than most of his fans complaining on track after track after track about problems in his life that are most of the time so miniscule that only his crazed little fanbase would give 2 shits about.

As an Artist Joe Budden is pure horse shit, its the biggest pile of horse shit in the field, i cant even explain how terrible he is an artist. I don't want to write some sort of essay here but any rapper age 30+ thats been in the game more than 10 years and doesn't have a single great album doesn't deserve a thread of any sort, a post of any sort and certainly not a comparison to 2Pac lmao. Lets be honest, the only reason there is even any talk of Joe Budden is because Royce got back in with Eminem and Em took pity on Royce and signed the group Royce was in. Without the Shady related Joe has gained through Royce which lets be honest is all most of the stans here care about Joe Budden isnt a piece of shit on someones shoe in the rap world, if you dont believe me go ask any REAL hip hop fan out of Eminem and rap nerd fansites.

[Master Chief]

Can you please learn to read? Your brain obviously chose to ignore this to try and make some retarded point:

'even on the very surface such as'

No, go fuck yourself.

Again hopefully your brain is still on and you can see that im not hating on Joe Budden on a personal level im explaining to you why alot of people make fun of him on a personal level i.e the Raekwon incidient.

Raekwon didn't punch him, you ignorant dipshit.

As for his music theres VERY few good songs in his catalogue imo. While he has some good songs to me you can take 90% of them and group them together as 'depressed jibberish'.

What the fuck is "depressed jibberish". Explain you fucking dipshit. How can Pray For Me be depressed jibberish, how can Dreamerz be depressed jibberish, how can Better Me be depressed jibberish? Depressing songs doesn't fucking equal jibberish you little faggot.

I call it depressed jibberish because thats what it becomes when you have a rich person with a better life than most of his fans complaining on track after track after track about problems in his life that are most of the time so miniscule that only his crazed little fanbase would give 2 shits about.

Wow, so money solves EVERYTHING? Eminem made The Eminem Show 100x richer than Joe Budden and that is his most personal and emotional album with depressings songs like Cleanin' Out My Closet and Say Goodbye To Hollywood. Is that fucking depressed jibberish you fucking moron? Joe Budden has problems that he encounters day to day as a human and he puts that in his music, that is a TRUE artist.

As an Artist Joe Budden is pure horse shit, its the biggest pile of horse shit in the field, i cant even explain how terrible he is an artist.

Because you can't and you haven't AND you won't.

I don't want to write some sort of essay here but any rapper age 30+ thats been in the game more than 10 years and doesn't have a single great album doesn't deserve a thread of any sort, a post of any sort and certainly not a comparison to 2Pac lmao.

Who takes your opinion seriously? No one does so just fuck off. Joe Budden is way better than 2Pac ANd your favorite rapper, now go somewhere and cry, bitch.

[Cokebottle]

Can you please learn to read? Your brain obviously chose to ignore this to try and make some retarded point:

'even on the very surface such as'

No, go fuck yourself.

Again hopefully your brain is still on and you can see that im not hating on Joe Budden on a personal level im explaining to you why alot of people make fun of him on a personal level i.e the Raekwon incidient.

Raekwon didn't punch him, you ignorant dipshit.

As for his music theres VERY few good songs in his catalogue imo. While he has some good songs to me you can take 90% of them and group them together as 'depressed jibberish'.

What the fuck is "depressed jibberish". Explain you fucking dipshit. How can Pray For Me be depressed jibberish, how can Dreamerz be depressed jibberish, how can Better Me be depressed jibberish? Depressing songs doesn't fucking equal jibberish you little faggot.

I call it depressed jibberish because thats what it becomes when you have a rich person with a better life than most of his fans complaining on track after track after track about problems in his life that are most of the time so miniscule that only his crazed little fanbase would give 2 shits about.

Wow, so money solves EVERYTHING? Eminem made The Eminem Show 100x richer than Joe Budden and that is his most personal and emotional album with depressings songs like Cleanin' Out My Closet and Say Goodbye To Hollywood. Is that fucking depressed jibberish you fucking moron? Joe Budden has problems that he encounters day to day as a human and he puts that in his music, that is a TRUE artist.

As an Artist Joe Budden is pure horse shit, its the biggest pile of horse shit in the field, i cant even explain how terrible he is an artist.

Because you can't and you haven't AND you won't.

I don't want to write some sort of essay here but any rapper age 30+ thats been in the game more than 10 years and doesn't have a single great album doesn't deserve a thread of any sort, a post of any sort and certainly not a comparison to 2Pac lmao.

Who takes your opinion seriously? No one does so just fuck off. Joe Budden is way better than 2Pac ANd your favorite rapper, now go somewhere and cry, bitch.

I stopped reading when you said 'Raekwon never punched him' I TOLD YOU TO LEARN TO READ YOU STUPID FAGGOT, where did i say Raekwon punched him? I said the Raekwon incident, next time if you want me to read your posts and respond to you READ like i said. I did see Eminem Show (which is one of my favorite albums) and the end as i was scrolling down though you said, 'who takes your opinion seriously?' and followed it with 'Joe Budden is way better than 2 Pac', im in fucking tears laughing lmao. ID LOVE you to come and say that where i live to people in this area one of 2 things would happen if not both

1) Explosive laughter, shock, disbelief
2) You on the ground

get yourself out of the forum fantasy land asap kiddo