Infinite is a really good album!

[Blake]

So i just relistened to the whole album and honestly there are tons of quotable in it. His punchlines on this album>then recovery or hts. Backstabbers is probably my favorite track. Dealing with backstabbers theres one thing i learned there only powerful when they have their back turned. Classic. Plus the beats are fantastic to chill to. They got the chill vibe. Overall its an amazing album and better then almost anything coming out today.

[mdemaz]

I was a bit skeptical at first, but I only just realized the level of groundbreaking rhyming structures in this album.

Sure, the production isn't the best and Em sounds like a AZ clone, but seriously, for it's time it was pretty amazing.
Still could have been improved a lot..Probably why the album was poorly received when it dropped..Only selling peanuts.

But oh well.

[Fa-Q]

No....its not

[DanWS]

Infinite > BME

[Devil'sAdvocate]

i like infinite,its like a dope underground album,for once.

[Sam.]

some dont like it cuz of so called big big words he used but that's bullshit that does not take away the fact that the album has some dope songs like "it's okay" ,"never to far".... only thing that is so irritating is the weak production on it .

it's a distant dream if he re does those song in his current voice and new beats that would be dope .

[DanWS]

Searchin>>>Infinite>>>Tonite>>>Never 2 Far>>>the rest

IMO

[the real slim shady]

Infinite > BME

you mean HTS... they arent really the same kinda style anyway

[EminemBase]

I think it's a great album too, I've always loved it.

It's just the production which lets it down. And I never thought I cared about production until I heard Em on really bad production COUGH Boi-1da COUGH. Only then did I realize how good he, the Bass Bros and Dre are in comparison.

I always knew they were good but man, it really can make a huge difference and I honestly think that if Em had produced all of Recovery, with The Bass Bros, it could of been a classic. Even with those same songs, just imagine sparse, solid music behind each one. If you go find Em playing "Not Afraid" live on Letterman for example, it makes such a difference. With live instruments.

I think practically every song on Infinite is solid and if you look at his relationship writing on... "Searchin" and "Jealousy Woes II", it's more sophisticated than it is now. He's pretty blunt and straight forward now... albeit more powerful and engaging maybe but still, the lyricism on JW2 for example is just awesome I think.

And yeah, his punchlines on like "313" are class. And much better than recent ones.

It's also crazy how quickly he can evolve or change his sound, as... he went from Infinite to The Slim Shady EP in like a year. He can make quantum fucking leaps in a tiny amount of time. When most artists take an entire career trying to make leaps as big.

[the real slim shady]

I think practically every song on Infinite is solid and if you look at his relationship writing on... "Searchin" and "Jealousy Woes II", it's more sophisticated than it is now. He's pretty blunt and straight forward now... albeit more powerful and engaging maybe but still, the lyricism on JW2 for example is just awesome I think.

And yeah, his punchlines on like "313" are class. And much better than recent ones.

It's also crazy how quickly he can evolve or change his sound, as... he went from Infinite to The Slim Shady EP in like a year. He can make quantum fucking leaps in a tiny amount of time. When most artists take an entire career trying to make leaps as big.

his new music appeals to a wider audience, which is good for him and for rap as a whole as it gets more people 'hooked', but it isnt really a good thing for his fans. His older stuff like Infinite is what most of his fans remember him for, recovery doesnt really feel like it is the same eminem. But then, it isnt really because he used to be slim shady, now he is eminem (he was slim shady for a bit on HTS it must be said).

[EminemBase]

I think practically every song on Infinite is solid and if you look at his relationship writing on... "Searchin" and "Jealousy Woes II", it's more sophisticated than it is now. He's pretty blunt and straight forward now... albeit more powerful and engaging maybe but still, the lyricism on JW2 for example is just awesome I think.

And yeah, his punchlines on like "313" are class. And much better than recent ones.

It's also crazy how quickly he can evolve or change his sound, as... he went from Infinite to The Slim Shady EP in like a year. He can make quantum fucking leaps in a tiny amount of time. When most artists take an entire career trying to make leaps as big.

his new music appeals to a wider audience, which is good for him and for rap as a whole as it gets more people 'hooked', but it isnt really a good thing for his fans. His older stuff like Infinite is what most of his fans remember him for, recovery doesnt really feel like it is the same eminem. But then, it isnt really because he used to be slim shady, now he is eminem (he was slim shady for a bit on HTS it must be said).

I wouldn't go that far. Recovery is only bad for its production. Yes there are some bad puns but that's not enough to ruin an album and for the most part his lyricism is on-point. And there are some real flashes of new excellence ("Almost Famous", "Cinderella Man").

But all this nonsense about it not being 'the same Eminem' is not true. He worked with different producers and took a slightly different approach to the music, but he changes his style every album. And every single time certain fans say "oh, now he's changed, this isn't the same guy". He'll ALWAYS sound different every album, as he likes to evolve.

But his basic character, and who he is as an artist and person has been the same on EVERY album. The only things that change are the music and his style. But the Eminem on "Cold Wind Blows" is the same Eminem I've always known.

It's tongue in cheek, sarcastic, he highlights his own flaws so others can't first... it's exactly the same guy. He's just presenting it differently. Then take the relationship tracks, with him talking about mistrust and not being able to trust women, and being a lone soldier etc. - you haven't heard that before? is that really new? of course not. He's always been that.

Also, this thing about 'oh he's not Slim Shady now' lmao. Once again, it's always been a mix. He's never been clearly one thing. Apart from maybe The Slim Shady LP when on tracks like "As the World Turns" he was fully in-character throughout, and on Relapse where the same could be said, but in a different state. But most of his tracks ie. "Kill You", "The Real Slim Shady", "The Way I Am" - he's constantly mixing his real thoughts with exaggerated anger or provocational jabs etc.

Whenever he says he's going to stab a slut in the face or something, that's Shady. And even on The Eminem Show he mixed that in. Because that's still him, there's not a clear separation.

Slim Shady is a mindset, not a style, and not a character. How he presented Shady on his first album was that way because that's how his style happened to be. But 'Shady' just = angry and / or sarcastic Eminem, or anything out of the norm. It's just his angst and that has been present on EVERY album. You think when he's screaming "I'LL BE SCREAMING ON THESE WHORES TILL I'M HOARSE!!!!" that's not Shady? or not in-character, or plain exaggeration?...

People keep saying he's changed but make no sense. All that's changed, and which always has changed from period to period regardless, is his style, and music. He remains the same.

[Master Chief]

Hate it.

[the real slim shady]

People keep saying he's changed but make no sense. All that's changed, and which always has changed from period to period regardless, is his style, and music. He remains the same.

Thats kind of what i meant, but i would call 'Slim Shady' a style, like i would call 'eminem' a style. what i'm saying, is that songs like spacebound are different to, say, go to sleep. This is the different styles/ personas/ alter egos that marshal uses, and recently it seems he has been eminem more than slim shady. He has been less agressive in his lyrics, and the beats he has used dont sound as 'aggresive'. Sure, he didnt make the beats himself, but hopefully you get what im trying to say. (I know what im trying to say, i just don't know how to say it)

But i do agree, that he is the same person in all his albums.

[EminemBase]

People keep saying he's changed but make no sense. All that's changed, and which always has changed from period to period regardless, is his style, and music. He remains the same.

Thats kind of what i meant, but i would call 'Slim Shady' a style, like i would call 'eminem' a style. what i'm saying, is that songs like spacebound are different to, say, go to sleep. This is the different styles/ personas/ alter egos that marshal uses, and recently it seems he has been eminem more than slim shady. He has been less agressive in his lyrics, and the beats he has used dont sound as 'aggresive'. Sure, he didnt make the beats himself, but hopefully you get what im trying to say. (I know what im trying to say, i just don't know how to say it)

But i do agree, that he is the same person in all his albums.

But Slim Shady is not a style. It's a mindset. Slim Shady is just the angry or surreal side of Eminem, that's transcendent of style. Slim Shady is not a rap style.

On "Almost Famous", when Em says "I stuck my dick in this game like a rapist, they call me Slim Rothelsberger" - you think that's not Shady? it isn't a clear definition. It's just a part of him, a side to him, that he's given a name and because of that people think it's one thing.

People only think there's a strict definition or separation due to his zany singles. All they did was exploit and exaggerate his Shady side and put it into a song format. But on those songs, he still says things 'as Eminem' and 'as Marshall' too. It's part of him.

And of all things, how the hell can you say he's been less aggressive lmfao. Are you kidding me? are you even listening to him lately. He's more aggressive than ever. I think what you might mean is he's not as good. But he's aggressive as fuck.

Back in the day he was usually aggressive when he had a reason or for a story or something, now he's aggressive like he's addicted to aggression and for its own sake. "Cold Wind Blows" and "Almost Famous" are two of his most aggressive songs ever, period.

And listen to him on Hell: The Sequel, "OUTLANDISH!!!! THESE WORDS ARE WEAPONS THAT I BRANDISH!!!" (eyes pop out of head). Whether you like his new styles or not is total preference but at least characterize what he's doing properly. As saying he's not aggressive now is so incorrect. He's so aggressive that he's had to start taking the piss out of his own aggression ("slut this!, slut that! learn the words to the song!) and basically busts a blood vessel every time he raps.

[BigBangBazinga]

I wonder if a killer would allow EmBase to say his last words.