DanWS wrote:Blaming "Lighters" on Royce is no excuse, lol. Eminem obviously loved the idea enough to go to his manager and get him to connect with Bruno and make the song happen. So there's there's the "Lighters" collab, tbere's his incessant shouting all the time, there's him not being technically great since Relapse, corny punchlines, not coming up with great music since Recovery. He could be got at about all those things; some would hit harder than others. Denying there's really anything that he could be got at is exactly that; being in denial.
Well, it
was Royce's idea. That's just a fact.
Yes Eminem was still involved and still advocated it and took part. But doing a song with Bruno Mars on a hook is hardly a massive thing that could destroy him in a diss lmao. It's just mildly embarrassing.
As for shouting or him 'not being technically great' since
Relapse, those are matters of taste and opinion, not obvious, undisputed facts. The shouting thing... Eminem has always shouted, as far back as "The Way I Am" and "Amityville" and on a lot of
The Eminem Show.
You not personally liking a shouting rap style is not a decent rap diss lmao. What's somebody going to say, that they hate it? yeah wow, how hugely damaging. You could attack ANYBODY on ANY aspect of the way they rap if you happen to dislike it. That's a shitty thing to diss, especially when Em takes the piss out of himself and acknowledges it in his own lyrics ("but now my throat is sore") and acts like he's doing it for spite, therefore making it a self-aware, humorous aspect.
Him not being technically great since
Relapse is also not true, and would also be an incredibly weak thing, and... spurious idea for dissing him on. Songs like "Almost Famous" and "Cinderella Man" are incredible, as is the writing on much of
Recovery. So saying he's not been technically great, I think, is rubbish. But even if that were an absolute, objective fact... again, he's hardly been totally shamefully bad so it's really not a strong thing to diss him on. It's pretty arbitrary.
You seriously think hearing somebody say he doesn't rhyme or flow quite as good as he did an album prior is going to be effective dissing lmao? that'd sound ridiculous.
Corny punchlines is another one. Most puns are corny. Puns by their nature are usually corny. It's once again, a pretty arbitrary aspect to focus on or try to attack somebody on in a diss. A great lyricist could probably use this more effectively than other aspects, as he has come out with some very bad ones of late, but it's pretty minor in comparison to most rapper's flaws.
So all you really have, is doing a song with Bruno Mars. And that definitely could be utilized as a decent one-liner or soemthing, but it's hardly great grounds for an entire diss record or attack. It'd take up, what, a few seconds of a record? that what do you have... even a great lyricist would struggle, even at this point, to say anything about Em that he or others haven't already said to better effect. Eminem has already thrown any disses of any worth in regards to himself, at HIMSELF. Better than most could do. So most things fall flat.
So, I'm not denying there's anything you could get him at. I've acknowledged there's a few minor things, but thinking that... some arguably weaker lyricism since his prior album, a few corny puns and a bad collab are enough grounds for a seriously lethal diss against arguably the best disser in rap history... is silly. Eminem would still rip anybody I can think of to shreds for hypocrisy or dismantle their career in much better form than they could his.
Most mainstream rappers have worked with a pop star at some point, most have said corny lines, these things are hardly career-sinking.
