How can one reach Eminem's skill level?

[mdemaz]

Anyone can do anything if they set their minds to it, but sometimes you need to know when to quit too.

This, I don't believe, is entirely true.

It's true within reason but... we all have unfair starts by default. In every sense.

We're all born with different brains, into different families, we experience different things (which shape our minds, our views, our opinions), we meet different people and adhere to different peers, we all have different genetic limitations and boundaries.

So, even if I dedicated my life to beating Usain Bolt's record - I could practice continuously and obsessively, to the absolute height of my ability, non-stop... and, I may still never, ever beat his record or come close due to the fact I may be unfortunately, on a lower peg genetically.

All sports is unfair too. We make rules to make them as fair as possible but again, some runners have unfair genetic advantages. We kid ourselves into thinking we're all the same or that we all have the same or similar potential. We're not all born equal, in any sense.

It depends on how intelligent people are really, like if you are a really...Like..
Had a terrible life, you just want to be good at everything, you know?
You try rapping, but no matter how much you try, you can't do any good, well that's fine, you rapped, that's one thing you did, but then you need to say to yourself, yeah, I need to find a different skill..

If you set your mind to rapping good, and still fail, that's not right..You gotta know when to throw in the towel and call it a day.
It's no big deal, we all experience different shit.
Some people are stupid and don't bother, some people couldn't give a shit less about quitting and turn out to be horrible rappers..

It's just common knowledge to me that that saying is cliche, but in many ways it's true, but in the grand scene of things, it's contradicting reality of how humans are all different and some people just can't do everything.
Example, if you have a mental disability, or can't walk.
Yeah, I saw those television stores blah blah, but you just can't sometimes..

Coming back to defend that cliche line, I believe it's true in many ways, but not as a whole, thus me saying that was really aimed at the obvious viewpoints of the discussion of Eminem rising up from the slums of suburban life and became extremely good at his work and all those other blah blah sob stories you hear everywhere..

But in the real world, a lot of people never try to do it, or don't feel the need to.

But in the extreme case of REALLY wanting to do something, anyone COULD possibly do "ANYTHING," whether they get help to do it, or just go nuts and reach out.

: D

[EminemBase]

But in the extreme case of REALLY wanting to do something, anyone COULD possibly do "ANYTHING," whether they get help to do it, or just go nuts and reach out.

: D

That's not true though.

Intelligence is most likely largely genetic, in the sense - it's based on not just, genetic inheritance but also chance brain structure aka genetic luck.

I am an intelligent person. I don't take much credit for it however as it's not an effort, I am lucky. And so is any naturally intelligent person. Certain people, no matter how hard they tried could never be as intelligent as certain other people, due to this reality.

[mdemaz]

But in the extreme case of REALLY wanting to do something, anyone COULD possibly do "ANYTHING," whether they get help to do it, or just go nuts and reach out.

: D

That's not true though.

Intelligence is most likely largely genetic, in the sense - it's based on not just, genetic inheritance but also chance brain structure aka genetic luck.

I am an intelligent person. I don't take much credit for it however as it's not an effort, I am lucky. And so is any naturally intelligent person. Certain people, no matter how hard they tried could never be as intelligent as certain other people, due to this reality.

Good point, but in the case of intelligence, it can have many meanings..
How do you define intelligence? Good at math?
Know how to make the right moves in life?
Able to respond in a witty way on a forum?
I can know nothing about astrophysics and probably own a massive corporation.

Many CEOs I've seen just have petty degrees in colleges and the alternative forms of schooling..
Would someone intelligent bother to get a degree to start with?
If you are poor and can't afford it, does that mean you are dumb?

Oh dude, the many questions.

[Innovation]

Many CEOs I've seen just have petty degrees in colleges and the alternative forms of schooling...

Steve Jobs is a classic example. He dropped out of college then went on to create America's (currently) most valuable company who have more money at their disposal than the US treasury. R.I.P Steve Jobs.

[mdemaz]

Many CEOs I've seen just have petty degrees in colleges and the alternative forms of schooling...

Steve Jobs is a classic example. He dropped out of college then went on to create America's (currently) most valuable company who have more money at their disposal than the US treasury. R.I.P Steve Jobs.

Fucking word...
But seriously though, if you physically try your whole life to do anything worth doing, you might actually be able to do it, if you make the right moves.
If not, oh well.
Try something else.

[EminemBase]

Good point, but in the case of intelligence, it can have many meanings..
How do you define intelligence? Good at math?
Know how to make the right moves in life?
Able to respond in a witty way on a forum?
I can know nothing about astrophysics and probably own a massive corporation.

Many CEOs I've seen just have petty degrees in colleges and the alternative forms of schooling..
Would someone intelligent bother to get a degree to start with?
If you are poor and can't afford it, does that mean you are dumb?

Oh dude, the many questions.

There are different types of intelligence - emotional intelligence, self-awareness, mathematical ability and so on. What's more important than defining the specific things you can do with certain types of intelligence is defining the foundation or area of the brain, and how that works.

Different parts of the brain do different things. And certain people are more naturally excellent in certain areas, simply by default.

As for whether somebody 'that intelligent' would bother getting a degree to begin with - I personally shun formal education, I feel it takes the art out of learning and the true joy is self-discovery and figuring things out on your own. That's a trait of intellectual independence that I think is fairly common among seriously high achievers.

There's of course plenty of truly intellectual people who get degrees also but, just for an example, take a look at some of the biggest entrepreneurs on Earth, many of them (Richard Branson, Steve Jobs) were drop-outs and carved their own path.

Innovative people have a desire to be original, and following somebody else's line of thinking or education is usually a deterrent from that mindset.

There's also plenty of examples of astute people who were born into abject poverty (relative to our society and economics) who are considered geniuses. To use Em as a quick example, he quite clearly has a mind built for literacy and despite almost no formal education in that region, he's considered one of the best lyricists of our times. And not just in a 'rapper' kind of way, but English teachers and language enthusiasts are in awe at some of his work too.

Quite clearly, this is a natural foundation.

[mdemaz]

Good point, but in the case of intelligence, it can have many meanings..
How do you define intelligence? Good at math?
Know how to make the right moves in life?
Able to respond in a witty way on a forum?
I can know nothing about astrophysics and probably own a massive corporation.

Many CEOs I've seen just have petty degrees in colleges and the alternative forms of schooling..
Would someone intelligent bother to get a degree to start with?
If you are poor and can't afford it, does that mean you are dumb?

Oh dude, the many questions.

There are different types of intelligence - emotional intelligence, self-awareness, mathematical ability and so on. What's more important than defining the specific things you can do with certain types of intelligence is defining the foundation or area of the brain, and how that works.

Different parts of the brain do different things. And certain people are more naturally excellent in certain areas, simply by default.

As for whether somebody 'that intelligent' would bother getting a degree to begin with - I personally shun formal education, I feel it takes the art out of learning and the true joy is self-discovery and figuring things out on your own. That's a trait of intellectual independence that I think is fairly common among seriously high achievers.

There's of course plenty of truly intellectual people who get degrees also but, just for an example, take a look at some of the biggest entrepreneurs on Earth, many of them (Richard Branson, Steve Jobs) were drop-outs and carved their own path.

Innovative people have a desire to be original, and following somebody else's line of thinking or education is usually a deterrent from that mindset.

There's also plenty of examples of astute people who were born into abject poverty (relative to our society and economics) who are considered geniuses. To use Em as a quick example, he quite clearly has a mind built for literacy and despite almost no formal education in that region, he's considered one of the best lyricists of our times. And not just in a 'rapper' kind of way, but English teachers and language enthusiasts are in awe at some of his work too.

Quite clearly, this is a natural foundation.

I guess it really matters how you feel as a person, how you handle things.
How your brain responds to different problems and triumphs in life.

The way you respond and create another path by yourself is one of the reasons one can be intelligent in the form of self-awareness.
Being able to claw your way into a new path without the need to be educated is also a key factor in intelligence.

Some people feel the need to stray away from the norm and create their own form of progression throughout society.

But that's just me, I think there is a lot of people who would think about intelligence differently to what we do.

And they are most likely failures in life.

[Man1x]

Suck a lot of dick

That's what Man1x does .

[D Chronic]

Lose yourself in the music.

[TheGentlePlayer]

Go to a lyrics site and steal all his verses.

[Fa-Q]

Read the dictionary.

and Thesaurus...work on rhyming different words and words that don't seem to rhyme

[Amaranthine]

Don't try to copy him.

[zedzero27]

Read the dictionary.

[Elision]

Don't try to be like other artists. You'll only disappoint yourself. You gotta do you

[JamaicanPattlez]

I use to think this too, cause I wanted to be at that level. Then I realized that you have to be yourself. If you have the drive to succeed and it's more than you want to breathe, you'll see success. I don't even think Em thought he'd be here, he just had a point to prove and had the drive. I'm a strong believer in "You work for what you want", and you gotta have drive. EmBase brought up that intelligence is a factor and I agree with that. Em repeated Grade 9 three times and dropped out, yet he was able to impress many. However, he also worked his ass off for that, so that's something to keep in mind. I'd say having an overactive imagination helps writing, because Lord knows what'll pop in your head that you could write about.