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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby EminemBase » Dec 2nd, '11, 05:30

Graphic wrote:Kind of going in a different direction here, but EminemBase, who do you think is the greatest rapper of all time?


Eminem

I could write for days justifying why I think his best content is the most compelling and clever, and also why he's the greatest and most shrewd and poetic lyricist...

But in simple terms, if you look at any other great rapper (Nas, 2Pac etc.) - Eminem can do anything they can do. But none of them can do what Eminem does.

That makes him, the greatest.
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby Asche » Dec 2nd, '11, 05:39

This is my favorite thread right now. :flutter: I actually just read an article/blog post today that is relevant to this discussion. Here's a quote:

Sean Platt wrote:Though I’ve always been drawn to great lyricists and songwriters, I’d never heard anyone able to effectively indulge satire, rage, sorrow, shame, guilt, regret, power, passion, loneliness, bravado, stupidity, genius, leadership, idiocy, misogyny, sympathy and, believe it or not, tender compassion. And Eminem was doing it in a stream of pentameter that would, I’m certain, cause William Shakespeare to shudder.


I just kept that quote but if anybody would like to read the rest of the article, I'll go find the link.
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby Graphic » Dec 2nd, '11, 05:45

EminemBase wrote:
Graphic wrote:Kind of going in a different direction here, but EminemBase, who do you think is the greatest rapper of all time?


Eminem

I could write for days justifying why I think his best content is the most compelling and clever, and also why he's the greatest and most shrewd and poetic lyricist...

But in simple terms, if you look at any other great rapper (Nas, 2Pac etc.) - Eminem can do anything they can do. But none of them can do what Eminem does.

That makes him, the greatest.


Perfect answer.

I wouldn't mind reading some of that justification if you ever did end up writing it!
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby Amaranthine » Dec 2nd, '11, 05:59

Asche wrote:This is my favorite thread right now. :flutter: I actually just read an article/blog post today that is relevant to this discussion. Here's a quote:

Sean Platt wrote:Though I’ve always been drawn to great lyricists and songwriters, I’d never heard anyone able to effectively indulge satire, rage, sorrow, shame, guilt, regret, power, passion, loneliness, bravado, stupidity, genius, leadership, idiocy, misogyny, sympathy and, believe it or not, tender compassion. And Eminem was doing it in a stream of pentameter that would, I’m certain, cause William Shakespeare to shudder.


I just kept that quote but if anybody would like to read the rest of the article, I'll go find the link.

Link please. :)
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby EminemBase » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:06

Graphic wrote:
EminemBase wrote:
Graphic wrote:Kind of going in a different direction here, but EminemBase, who do you think is the greatest rapper of all time?


Eminem

I could write for days justifying why I think his best content is the most compelling and clever, and also why he's the greatest and most shrewd and poetic lyricist...

But in simple terms, if you look at any other great rapper (Nas, 2Pac etc.) - Eminem can do anything they can do. But none of them can do what Eminem does.

That makes him, the greatest.


Perfect answer.

I wouldn't mind reading some of that justification if you ever did end up writing it!


Oh I will :)

I'll write an article called maybe "Why Eminem is the Greatest Rapper of All Time"

and justify it obsessively from every angle :), on my blog.
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby Asche » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:07

Amaranthine wrote:Link please. :)

Here you go: http://www.copyblogger.com/eminem/

He also wrote this one but it's not as related or interesting imo: http://www.copyblogger.com/eminem-redux/
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby Graphic » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:13

EminemBase wrote:Oh I will :)

I'll write an article called maybe "Why Eminem is the Greatest Rapper of All Time"

and justify it obsessively from every angle :), on my blog.


Lol. Do it. And post a link! :D
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby EminemBase » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:18

Graphic wrote:
EminemBase wrote:Oh I will :)

I'll write an article called maybe "Why Eminem is the Greatest Rapper of All Time"

and justify it obsessively from every angle :), on my blog.


Lol. Do it. And post a link! :D


I will soon :) it'll be the greatest article ever written on Eminem's greatness!

God, my blog would be swarming with readers if I could be bothered lmao...

When I put effort in before I had a lot of people coming there.

I have a million article ideas in my head, I just find it so hard to actually start. I think possibly because I know it'll then take hours. Because I'm so obsessive that I'll write and write and write until my brain is empty and then perfect every word. So it's so draining.

Wish I could just DO everything I want to do, always.
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby Amaranthine » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:20

EminemBase wrote:
Graphic wrote:
EminemBase wrote:Oh I will :)

I'll write an article called maybe "Why Eminem is the Greatest Rapper of All Time"

and justify it obsessively from every angle :), on my blog.


Lol. Do it. And post a link! :D


I will soon :) it'll be the greatest article ever written on Eminem's greatness!

God, my blog would be swarming with readers if I could be bothered lmao...

When I put effort in before I had a lot of people coming there.

I have a million article ideas in my head, I just find it so hard to actually start. I think possibly because I know it'll then take hours. Because I'm so obsessive that I'll write and write and write until my brain is empty and then perfect every word. So it's so draining.

Wish I could just DO everything I want to do, always.

You know, you promised me a Spacebound Analysis. :'(
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby JamaicanPattlez » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:23

EminemBase wrote:
Graphic wrote:
EminemBase wrote:Oh I will :)

I'll write an article called maybe "Why Eminem is the Greatest Rapper of All Time"

and justify it obsessively from every angle :), on my blog.


Lol. Do it. And post a link! :D


I will soon :) it'll be the greatest article ever written on Eminem's greatness!

God, my blog would be swarming with readers if I could be bothered lmao...

When I put effort in before I had a lot of people coming there.

I have a million article ideas in my head, I just find it so hard to actually start. I think possibly because I know it'll then take hours. Because I'm so obsessive that I'll write and write and write until my brain is empty and then perfect every word. So it's so draining.

Wish I could just DO everything I want to do, always.


I really want to read it too. As a growing emcee (Not even really THAT yet), I'd really love to learn WHY he's as successful as he is, and learn from that.
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby Graphic » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:29

EminemBase wrote:
Graphic wrote:
EminemBase wrote:Oh I will :)

I'll write an article called maybe "Why Eminem is the Greatest Rapper of All Time"

and justify it obsessively from every angle :), on my blog.


Lol. Do it. And post a link! :D


I will soon :) it'll be the greatest article ever written on Eminem's greatness!

God, my blog would be swarming with readers if I could be bothered lmao...

When I put effort in before I had a lot of people coming there.

I have a million article ideas in my head, I just find it so hard to actually start. I think possibly because I know it'll then take hours. Because I'm so obsessive that I'll write and write and write until my brain is empty and then perfect every word. So it's so draining.

Wish I could just DO everything I want to do, always.


I guess that's why you're so good at getting your point across.

You don't necessarily have to write it all at once though.
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby EminemBase » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:29

JamaicanPattlez wrote:I really want to read it too. As a growing emcee (Not even really THAT yet), I'd really love to learn WHY he's as successful as he is, and learn from that.


Well one key aspect with Eminem, is melody.

That's one obvious aspect to his worldwide popularity and why he translates. He creates memorable melodic flows and melodic songs, simple as that.

A lot of rappers have a flow that gets lost in melody rather than creates it.

He's always got a rhythmic structure at work, it's nuanced and obsessed over where as a lot of rappers simply rhyme randomly and write without direction - Em constantly re-arranges and perfects the way every sentence sounds to make sure each second of delivery is on-point.

There's lots of reasons why he's so successful. And basically none of it has to do with him being white. As people have now witnessed with Yelawolf.
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby EminemBase » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:30

Graphic wrote:I guess that's why you're so good at getting your point across.

You don't necessarily have to write it all at once though.


Oh I do because... if any length of time passes... I could write half of it say and perfect it and be totally happy with it. But then if I come back to it in like a week even, I may want to change most of it... so unless I do it all at once, I'd be infinitely refining things.
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby JamaicanPattlez » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:34

EminemBase wrote:
JamaicanPattlez wrote:I really want to read it too. As a growing emcee (Not even really THAT yet), I'd really love to learn WHY he's as successful as he is, and learn from that.


Well one key aspect with Eminem, is melody.

That's one obvious aspect to his worldwide popularity and why he translates. He creates memorable melodic flows and melodic songs, simple as that.

A lot of rappers have a flow that gets lost in melody rather than creates it.

He's always got a rhythmic structure at work, it's nuanced and obsessed over where as a lot of rappers simply rhyme randomly and write without direction - Em constantly re-arranges and perfects the way every sentence sounds to make sure each second of delivery is on-point.

There's lots of reasons why he's so successful. And basically none of it has to do with him being white. As people have now witnessed with Yelawolf.



Which is why in TES he basically WAS the beat when he produced it, correct? From every snare, everything?
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Re: Prolific Writing

Postby Graphic » Dec 2nd, '11, 06:37

EminemBase wrote:
Graphic wrote:I guess that's why you're so good at getting your point across.

You don't necessarily have to write it all at once though.


Oh I do because... if any length of time passes... I could write half of it say and perfect it and be totally happy with it. But then if I come back to it in like a week even, I may want to change most of it... so unless I do it all at once, I'd be infinitely refining things.


The article would most likely be worth the time spent writing it though. I haven't ever been able to find a good explanation of why he's the greatest. I can't really put my finger on just why I think he's the best, so it would be cool to read.
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