Eminem doesent walk like a duck on stage anymore

[Ku53v]

his movements are worse now than ever

[DanWS]

Smaller crows then.

wut

LMFAO! Sorry, typo. I meant "Smaller CROWD then." The Grammys, MTV awards, etc have way smaller audiences than festivals and concerts. I think Australia's concerts are in front of like 50-60k.

What difference does that make to his movements?

[Amaranthine]

It means he'd be less nervous.

[DanWS]

It means he'd be less nervous.

lol, oh so as soon as he starts performing in front of larger audiences he suddenly starts making shit movements cuz he's all nervous? come on, i don't know how you can tell yourself that, you can't honestly believe it.

[Blu]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere in "The Way I Am" that he said when he started doing drugs, it helped shake off the nervousness before performing live.

[EminemBase]

His breath control is a 2/10

That "energy" doesn't matter when you have your hype man saying half your bars on every song. I honestly haven't cared for any of his performances since like 2005.

His breath control is actually really good lol. Look at him performing Renegade on Letterman with Jay-Z in 2010.

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Em has great breath control.

The huge difference is, in particular with Tech there and what Em usually does is TONE. Eminem often puts emphasis and tone into every other line like you would in a conversation.

He's soft one moment, shouting the next, there's a whole range of expression.

Where as you'll notice, Tech there and often a lot of fast rappers, keep one flat tone and the only thing they're focusing on is the rhythm and words.

Em has done this on occasion when spitting fast, but if you listen to his "Renegade" verses for example, there's so much character and personality in every line. It's entirely different to what most rappers do and why his lyrics / vocals affect so much more.

It's a lot harder to have breath control if you're changing different elements of your vocal chords too. Also a lot of Em's songs aren't even very fast, they have a structured rhythm and I don't think the reason Porter is there is because Em can't perform the songs himself. Em just has him there for confidence / support.

And if he's gonna have him up there, it'd look a bit silly if he performed the whole thing himself and Porter did nothing, so he throws him lines to emphasize.

[Tranquil]

Wow. Just get over it, the Melbourne show was fucking great! His performance all around was pretty much perfect! The man knows how to put on a show, I agree with whoever said that Proof was a real hype man and Mr. Porter only knows his songs. Mr. Porter hardly done shit, it was Em that was hyping the crowd up not Porter.

[Mathers]

Wow. Just get over it, the Melbourne show was fucking great! His performance all around was pretty much perfect! The man knows how to put on a show, I agree with whoever said that Proof was a real hype man and Mr. Porter only knows his songs. Mr. Porter hardly done shit, it was Em that was hyping the crowd up not Porter.

I miss Proof

[Elision]

Em has great breath control.

The huge difference is, in particular with Tech there and what Em usually does is TONE. Eminem often puts emphasis and tone into every other line like you would in a conversation.

He's soft one moment, shouting the next, there's a whole range of expression.

Where as you'll notice, Tech there and often a lot of fast rappers, keep one flat tone and the only thing they're focusing on is the rhythm and words.

EmBase, while typically I agree with you on most of the things you say, I think you're wrong.
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Go watch videos of Immortal Technique, Wax, Soul Khan or DFD performing. They all add as much emphasis as you can ask for, and they rarely miss a word.

EDIT: Also, if you go back and watch Em's performances from 99 - 05 ish (rough estimate). You'll notice that he's on that level too. What's different now?

[EminemBase]

^ I didn't say emphasis, I said tone.

Em has a range of tone in his voice like he's conversing.

He'll exclaim a joke or an emotion like he would in real life where as other rappers just 'rap' it thus losing most of the actual expression.

I just watched that video and my opinion remains the same. I didn't say Tech wasn't emphasizing things or missing words. It's perfectly clear and perfectly timed, I'm talking about the range of tone in the expression, it's totally different to what Em does.

And I wasn't the one that said anything was different now. His "Renegade" performance with Jay is an example of how he's not different. Him having Porter there is for support as it's pretty obvious he's been slowly building his self-esteem and confidence back up since returning.

I don't think he has any issues with breath control.

[Elision]

^ I didn't say emphasis, I said tone.

Em has a range of tone in his voice like he's conversing.

He'll exclaim a joke or an emotion like he would in real life where as other rappers just 'rap' it thus losing most of the actual expression.

I just watched that video and my opinion remains the same. I didn't say Tech wasn't emphasizing things or missing words. It's perfectly clear and perfectly timed, I'm talking about the range of tone in the expression, it's totally different to what Em does.

And I wasn't the one that said anything was different now. His "Renegade" performance with Jay is an example of how he's not different. Him having Porter there is for support as it's pretty obvious he's been slowly building his self-esteem and confidence back up since returning.

I don't think he has any issues with breath control.

Okay, dude... Just no. Over the last 2 days I have seriously tried to appreciate Em's breath control and I just can't. I know you think it's because he's putting different emotions in different lines and shit, but I really think he genuinely has a breath/lung problem. I mean, watch this older performance by him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IyPFMWAzb8

The only time I have seen him do that since his comeback, was the Underground performance at the 2009 Relapse release party or whatever it was.

I don't know if he was a heavy smoker or anything. That's why I'm honestly curious as to why he can't perform like he did previously any more. I get drugs had a large role, but I don't think the drugs he was on, really had much of an effect on his bodily performance in regards to things such as breath control.

[stella222]

^perhaps you need to see him perform live. Most people that had a chance to experience his current show talks in superlatives about his performing skills.

[Beak]

^ I didn't say emphasis, I said tone.

Em has a range of tone in his voice like he's conversing.

He'll exclaim a joke or an emotion like he would in real life where as other rappers just 'rap' it thus losing most of the actual expression.

I just watched that video and my opinion remains the same. I didn't say Tech wasn't emphasizing things or missing words. It's perfectly clear and perfectly timed, I'm talking about the range of tone in the expression, it's totally different to what Em does.

And I wasn't the one that said anything was different now. His "Renegade" performance with Jay is an example of how he's not different. Him having Porter there is for support as it's pretty obvious he's been slowly building his self-esteem and confidence back up since returning.

I don't think he has any issues with breath control.

Okay, dude... Just no. Over the last 2 days I have seriously tried to appreciate Em's breath control and I just can't. I know you think it's because he's putting different emotions in different lines and shit, but I really think he genuinely has a breath/lung problem. I mean, watch this older performance by him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IyPFMWAzb8

The only time I have seen him do that since his comeback, was the Underground performance at the 2009 Relapse release party or whatever it was.

I don't know if he was a heavy smoker or anything. That's why I'm honestly curious as to why he can't perform like he did previously any more. I get drugs had a large role, but I don't think the drugs he was on, really had much of an effect on his bodily performance in regards to things such as breath control.

Never saw this. Best part, it's not censored at 3:35-3:45 for him for saying "your attorney fred gibbs is a faggot" like they censored it on the album.

[EminemBase]

^ I didn't say emphasis, I said tone.

Em has a range of tone in his voice like he's conversing.

He'll exclaim a joke or an emotion like he would in real life where as other rappers just 'rap' it thus losing most of the actual expression.

I just watched that video and my opinion remains the same. I didn't say Tech wasn't emphasizing things or missing words. It's perfectly clear and perfectly timed, I'm talking about the range of tone in the expression, it's totally different to what Em does.

And I wasn't the one that said anything was different now. His "Renegade" performance with Jay is an example of how he's not different. Him having Porter there is for support as it's pretty obvious he's been slowly building his self-esteem and confidence back up since returning.

I don't think he has any issues with breath control.

Okay, dude... Just no. Over the last 2 days I have seriously tried to appreciate Em's breath control and I just can't. I know you think it's because he's putting different emotions in different lines and shit, but I really think he genuinely has a breath/lung problem. I mean, watch this older performance by him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IyPFMWAzb8

The only time I have seen him do that since his comeback, was the Underground performance at the 2009 Relapse release party or whatever it was.

I don't know if he was a heavy smoker or anything. That's why I'm honestly curious as to why he can't perform like he did previously any more. I get drugs had a large role, but I don't think the drugs he was on, really had much of an effect on his bodily performance in regards to things such as breath control.

Yeah but you keep referencing his old songs and not referencing the old STYLE.

If you watch his 09 performances of Relapse songs his breath control is brilliant.

You seriously think he's had a lung collapse for no apparent reason in a year / two years?

It's because he shouts his delivery now. Most of his flows are constructed patterns of shouting and emphasis, totally different to a smooth flow and takes a totally different performance.

If you take "Love the Way You Lie" for example, think of the line "don't you hear sincerity in my voice when I talk". He's shouting the whole line but the emphasis points are so strong like "don't you heeearr sinceeerity in MYYY voice when IIIII TALLLK!!!?".

Add that to the fact he's putting his absolute all in, in terms of energy and bouncing around the stage and compare that to when he just used to stand still or slowly walk around the stage and rap very smooth flows in a single tone and you have you answer.