For those blacks that say they can't relate to Em's Music

[Aftermathers]

Like in that thread dude posted from that other forum just curious about this


Those that say they don't relate to Eminem's Music but will say they relate to a Rapper that Raps about exactly the same Subjects and Topics as Eminem for example 2pac, Nas and Eminem all when they make Songs of Substance Rap about Poverty, Parenting, Relationships, Politics, Living in a broken homes etc


A lotta black Rappers just like Eminem have Rapped bout growing up with out a father and poverty those 2 Subjects in partucular Eminem has Rapped about alot are 2 Subjects so many other Rappers have covered just like him.



And the most funny things is it's not like these tracks Eminem makes about these Subjects are mainly just Album tracks alot are actually Singles and at the same time really succesful so it's not like these type of tracks such as Sing For The Moment or Mockingbird or Like Toy Soldiers aren't all over TV and Radio.


You look at DMX and Eminem i make this comparission and not 2pac and Eminem cos 2pac was a Pro Black/Political Rapper or did Gangsta Rap at times and Eminem even though Raps about alotta the same Subjects 2pac did 2pac did it more from a black Conscious perspective but lets look at DMX and Eminem both have made tracks about their poverty, their bad relationships with their mothers, growing up with out their fathers, Songs about their kids, Songs about their trouble with drug addiction etc



So how idiotic is it to say you don't relate to Eminem but say you relate to Rappers that cover exactly the same Subjects as he has, have had similar experiences etc? why do people contradict them self obviously it's hate but they look idiotic.

[Trimss]

Sometimes people call Eminem corny because of his main singles, and don't even try to listen to a full album to hear how he sounds by themselves.

[Aftermathers]

Whoever spams or trolls in this thread will be warned.

Don't.

It bugs me out cos i've never actually heard a person say i can relate a Song about being a parent and loving your kid cos i am a parent my self but i sonically/musically just didn't happen to like Eminem's Songs about that Subject and pretty much the same thing regarding all his Subjects like
Poverty and so on if a person could say that and were honest no Em fan gonna hold a grudge againist them.


It's usually people will swear Eminem doesn't have tracks like this which is the thing that bugs his fans i'm sure since he has more tracks like this for an Artist that has the amount of Albums as he does. That is basically his niche as an Artist Personal/Deep style of tracks and then the Slim Shady persona. So it's hillarious seeing people act so idiotic.


And the other issue is when a lotta blacks who don't like Eminem have actually heard his Music before judging him they say things like 'oh well Eminem Rapping about a lotta ish like poverty and how hard his life was, how he was on welfare etc but he will never know what it's like to be blac it doesn't matter cos he just a white person who went through all that he not black''


So it seems sometimes it's a no win situation of course this i must say is a minority of black people i seen have this attituude mostly online but these are just typical things a lotta haters say they just contradict them self.

[Kill You]

Eminem actually hardly raps about those things.

[Aftermathers]

Sometimes people call Eminem corny because of his main singles, and don't even try to listen to a full album to hear how he sounds by themselves.

Even that's funny cos for example Not Afraid, Sing For The Moment, Lose Yourself, Mockingbird etc were far more succesful and bigger Hits than those lead Singles like My Name Is.



My personal opinion is this it's an opinion i will say but this just how i see it in 2012 the age of youtube, age of the internet there is no way most haters haven't actually heard most Eminem Albums from start to finish or somehow missed Singles like Mockingbird or Not Afraid. I think it's a reverse psychology thing where they heard his Music in full but pretend to not relate or like it cos it rubs so many people up the wrong way that these kinda tracks have such an impact and so many say they can relate that they then pretend like the Music doesn't exist.



It suits people who don't like Eminem to just have Songs like My Name Is, Stay Wide wake, We Made You etc cos the fact that a White Rapper in a black genre makes Music like Rock Bottom, Mockingbird, Going Through Changes, Beautiful etc and making that kinda Music majority relate to and out sell everyone else just rubs atleast a minority of black people the wrong way.

[Aftermathers]

Eminem actually hardly raps about those things.

Poverty, growing up in the hood/Detroits Inner City - Rock Bottom, If I Had, Murder Murder, 8 Mile Road, Lose Yourself


Being a parent, loving his daughter - Hailies Song, Mockingbird, My Darling, When I'm Gone



Growing up in a broken home, single parent home - Cleaning Out My Closet, Sing For The Moment

Politics/anti goverment/system - We As Americans, Mosh, White America, Public Enemy number 1, Square Dance


Relationships/baby mother drama - Superman, Love You More, Spacebound, Cinderella Man, Love The Way You Lie


Trouble with the law - Soldier



Those are just full tracks too Concept wise based on those Subjects not including actual tracks where he has Lyrics mentining those Subjects with out the track soley based on 1 Subject.

[Kill You]

^ That's not a whole lot of songs considering his whole discography. And Cinderella Man isn't about relationships lol.

[Aftermathers]

^ That's not a whole lot of songs considering his whole discography.

No 1 said his whole discography was just filled up with Songs with those Subjects but those are just tracks listed that are examples some are just Album tracks some are big Hit Singles.



It's like 2pac he didn't have 20 plus Songs about his mother he made Dear Mama and anyone that loves their mother can relate just 1 Song is needed


So it's the same with Em he doesn't need 20 plus Songs about loving his daughter anyone that loves their kids Hailies Song and Mockingbird etc are enough




It's also not about making a million tracks like that cos theres only so many tracks you can make with the same Subject it's about the Music brilliance of those tracks every angle is covered they have dope Lyrics, express Emotion, dope Beats and just a dope Message overall. So how can people grudge Eminem so much when he has these tracks just like their fave Rappers?

[Sukot]

This might not be a politically correct thing to say, but I think another factor in this is that maybe it's probably part of human nature (for some people) to maybe feel more attached to an artist of the same race or skin colour as them, which I think is part of the reason why Eminem's fanbase contains a higher proportion of white people than most black rapper's fanbases do.

I'm mixed race though, so I don't know really lol.

[Aftermathers]

But the main point is most blacks who say they can't relate to Eminem that actually have heard his Albums are aware of all his Introspective and Deep Songs which cover the exact same Topics, same Subjects, same Lyricall Content as Rappers they tend to like be it 2pac, DMX, Nas etc it all comes down to insecurity they just don't like the fact a White Artist is making the same kida tracks their fave Rappers are but out selling them.

[Aftermathers]

This might not be a politically correct thing to say, but I think another factor in this is that maybe it's probably part of human nature (for some people) to maybe feel more attached to an artist of the same race or skin colour as them, which I think is part of the reason why Eminem's fanbase contains a higher proportion of white people than most black rapper's fanbases do.

I'm mixed race though, so I don't know really lol.

That makes perfect sense but then why can't people just keep it real and admit that why not simply be honest and say 'yeah i realize Em makes mostly Music about his life experiences, gets Deep, gets Personal Raps about a lotta the same issues my fave Rappers do things i myself been through but i just can connect more and appreciate it more from an Artist doing that kinda Music that is my own race and my own backround'


As simple as that no 1 would be mad or hold it againist them.

[Aftermathers]

But even that's a bit iffy really


Cos do you really have to have a black Artist make a Song about poverty or loving their kid for you to relate appreciate it when you experienced those things? can't you look past a Artist being White making tracks about that Subject you relate to and forget skin color but focus on the quality of the Music and the Message and that the white Artist really actually did go through what he Rapping/Singing about?



With 2pac he makes a lotta his Deeper tracks with a Black Panther, black conscious out look so a White person can appreciate the message, the Music but you could understand if they can't directly relate



With Eminem he doesn't make Songs about his daughter, poverty, relationships etc from a white perspective just from a human everyday lower class raised perspective so it's easier for all races to relate.

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That sounds kinda racist, but Sukot is probably right.

[CrashBand]

This might not be a politically correct thing to say, but I think another factor in this is that maybe it's probably part of human nature (for some people) to maybe feel more attached to an artist of the same race or skin colour as them, which I think is part of the reason why Eminem's fanbase contains a higher proportion of white people than most black rapper's fanbases do.

I'm mixed race though, so I don't know really lol.

I agree with this. And it's not racist at all thinking this is the case, people shouldn't be offended by this idea.

It's the same as gender. I could think of a hypothetical female artist with similar themes as Aftermathers stated and you would expect a lot of girls to relate to her.

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With Eminem he doesn't make Songs about his daughter, poverty, relationships etc from a white perspective just from a human everyday lower class raised perspective so it's easier for all races to relate.

and he does make it from a white perspective you imbecile. Just as my hypothetical from a female artist about thier 'kid, poverty, relationships' would be from a female perspective.

[Aftermathers]

This might not be a politically correct thing to say, but I think another factor in this is that maybe it's probably part of human nature (for some people) to maybe feel more attached to an artist of the same race or skin colour as them, which I think is part of the reason why Eminem's fanbase contains a higher proportion of white people than most black rapper's fanbases do.

I'm mixed race though, so I don't know really lol.

I agree with this. And it's not racist at all thinking this is the case, people shouldn't be offended by this idea.

It's the same as gender. I could think of a hypothetical female artist with similar themes as Aftermathers stated and you would expect a lot of girls to relate to her.

At the same time Em grew up in a black enviroment, in black neighborhoods in Detroit, his best friend since child hood was black, Proofs mother even took care of him at a point in his teenage years so it's not like Em grew up in a white enviroment. Soi why not judge Em for what he been through, how hard he had it, where he grew up rather than his skin color somethin he can't control