The black community will never ever respect Eminem

[EpicForever]

The people in here burying their heads in the sand is rather sand. You might as well just cover you hears and sing *lalalalla* really loudly and try to ignore the truth.

To those saying that's just a handful of people, keep deluding yourself. That's one thread. You know how to work the search function, find any Eminem thread in there and you'll see nothing more than constant hate and abuse toward a person referred to mostly as a CAC. Those forums are just one example. Twitter is another. The internet has idiots, but it also reflects the views of people more than any other tool today. The overwhelming majority not only don't rate Eminem, but don't like him either.

You guys simply ignore so much. Whilst Eminem was dominating the charts with his last album, there's a reason why his songs had almost NO IMPACT on Urban Radio. Urban Radio does not care about Eminem, nor do they play Eminem.

The biggest delusion is the racist tapes. If you truly believe that wasn't the nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for Em's legacy in the black community, you're reaching. IF anyone really believed his lame ass excuse for it, with the girlfriend breakup and whatnot, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I wanna sell you. His racist tapes have nothing to do with Benzino. Everyone knew Benzino had an agenda against Eminem, everyone knew he was a dickhead, but that doesn't eliminate what Eminem did. The fact that this dude went on air and then potrayed Lauryn Hill as a racist makes things even more salty. When has Lauryn Hill ever come out calling white people CACs? Jay Electronica, who's not one to hold back, described the situation well, despite going overboard to an extent.

Eminem's legacy is very tainted. To think otherwise is to....

Thank you for speaking the truth in your post. About the Jay Electronic thing, was this recent? Do you have a link to it? Its my first time hearing about this. I'm surprised more emcees have not spoken about this. Canibus could have EASILY brought this up(especially today) if he wanted to.

Thank you for bringing up the Benzino point because I get annoyed when people act like he was some big bully when he called out Eminem.

Lauryn must have showed ALOT of restraint to just ignore the whole thing, and it amazes me how people aren't acting like its a serious issue and just "shrug" it off. I still am amazed when hearing that interview....I mean was Marshall high or something? How are you gonna say all that while knowing what you have in your own background that would be released 4/5 years ago.

Obviously I'm a fan of the guy but he has just done extremely idiotic things



He's lucky his ass didn't get jumped by the Marley family.(I would like to see him in a room with Nas and Damian Marley)

As for Em and the urban radio thing, I hope the news of him working with Primo is a hint that he is finally going to try to connect with the urban market much more. But before anyone says so, that does not necessarily mean he HAS to rap like Nas or Raekwon. I just mean that his style changes while still showing his "British wit" without going too over the top, and maybe actually being honest and actually bringing up the Lauryn Hill situation in a song.

You may automatically call that "unfair" or "unnecessary" but if your brave enough to criticize(no matter how young you were) then you should be brave enough to at least reference it in a song.

Thank you stillmatic for not being delusional and pointing out the certain flaws of Em, and not hesitating just because "its an Eminem fan forum".

[CrashBand]

The people in here burying their heads in the sand is rather sand. You might as well just cover you hears and sing *lalalalla* really loudly and try to ignore the truth.

To those saying that's just a handful of people, keep deluding yourself. That's one thread. You know how to work the search function, find any Eminem thread in there and you'll see nothing more than constant hate and abuse toward a person referred to mostly as a CAC. Those forums are just one example. Twitter is another. The internet has idiots, but it also reflects the views of people more than any other tool today. The overwhelming majority not only don't rate Eminem, but don't like him either.

I would like to see these people justify themselves. If someone was to deny Em's talent with any reasoning you have to question if there is not race elements involved. But again, I think Eminem is well recieved with other artists and people in the music industry (who are black).

You guys simply ignore so much. Whilst Eminem was dominating the charts with his last album, there's a reason why his songs had almost NO IMPACT on Urban Radio. Urban Radio does not care about Eminem, nor do they play Eminem.

The biggest delusion is the racist tapes. If you truly believe that wasn't the nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for Em's legacy in the black community, you're reaching. IF anyone really believed his lame ass excuse for it, with the girlfriend breakup and whatnot, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I wanna sell you. His racist tapes have nothing to do with Benzino. Everyone knew Benzino had an agenda against Eminem, everyone knew he was a dickhead, but that doesn't eliminate what Eminem did. The fact that this dude went on air and then potrayed Lauryn Hill as a racist makes things even more salty. When has Lauryn Hill ever come out calling white people CACs? Jay Electronica, who's not one to hold back, described the situation well, despite going overboard to an extent.

Eminem's legacy is very tainted. To think otherwise is to....

Well I partly agree with this. I do think Eminem isn't as well received by black hip hop fans compared to white hip hop fans.

The major problem I have with your comment is you are implying this is somewhat justified due to these racist tapes.

[Blu]

So some internet forums make up the "black community?"

Dumb thread is dumb.

[trinell05]

So some internet forums make up the "black community?"

Dumb thread is dumb.

[EpicForever]

The people in here burying their heads in the sand is rather sand. You might as well just cover you hears and sing *lalalalla* really loudly and try to ignore the truth.

To those saying that's just a handful of people, keep deluding yourself. That's one thread. You know how to work the search function, find any Eminem thread in there and you'll see nothing more than constant hate and abuse toward a person referred to mostly as a CAC. Those forums are just one example. Twitter is another. The internet has idiots, but it also reflects the views of people more than any other tool today. The overwhelming majority not only don't rate Eminem, but don't like him either.

I would like to see these people justify themselves. If someone was to deny Em's talent with any reasoning you have to question if there is not race elements involved. But again, I think Eminem is well recieved with other artists and people in the music industry (who are black).

You guys simply ignore so much. Whilst Eminem was dominating the charts with his last album, there's a reason why his songs had almost NO IMPACT on Urban Radio. Urban Radio does not care about Eminem, nor do they play Eminem.

The biggest delusion is the racist tapes. If you truly believe that wasn't the nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for Em's legacy in the black community, you're reaching. IF anyone really believed his lame ass excuse for it, with the girlfriend breakup and whatnot, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I wanna sell you. His racist tapes have nothing to do with Benzino. Everyone knew Benzino had an agenda against Eminem, everyone knew he was a dickhead, but that doesn't eliminate what Eminem did. The fact that this dude went on air and then potrayed Lauryn Hill as a racist makes things even more salty. When has Lauryn Hill ever come out calling white people CACs? Jay Electronica, who's not one to hold back, described the situation well, despite going overboard to an extent.

Eminem's legacy is very tainted. To think otherwise is to....

Well I partly agree with this. I do think Eminem isn't as well received by black hip hop fans compared to white hip hop fans.

The major problem I have with your comment is you are implying this is somewhat justified due to these racist tapes.

I'm not

[CrashBand]

I'm not

unsure if serious. but if so, I was quoting what stillmatic said.

edit:

Thank you for bringing up the Benzino point because I get annoyed when people act like he was some big bully when he called out Eminem.

Not realy, what's been brought up is the irony and hypocritical nature of Benzino trying to label Em as a racist. (as Benzino is a racist idiot himself).

Lauryn must have showed ALOT of restraint to just ignore the whole thing, and it amazes me how people aren't acting like its a serious issue and just "shrug" it off. I still am amazed when hearing that interview....I mean was Marshall high or something? How are you gonna say all that while knowing what you have in your own background that would be released 4/5 years ago.

Obviously I'm a fan of the guy but he has just done extremely idiotic things

I haven't heard the Lauryn Hill interview (if there is one) but yes looking back at the foolish pride tape I'm sure Em would agree that it was ignorant and foolish of him to of made that song. But Em is obviously not a racist and if you think this shows he is you are an idiot.

He's lucky his ass didn't get jumped by the Marley family.(I would like to see him in a room with Nas and Damian Marley)

what the fuck are you going on about?

As for Em and the urban radio thing, I hope the news of him working with Primo is a hint that he is finally going to try to connect with the urban market much more. But before anyone says so, that does not necessarily mean he HAS to rap like Nas or Raekwon. I just mean that his style changes while still showing his "British wit" without going too over the top, and maybe actually being honest and actually bringing up the Lauryn Hill situation in a song.

I kind of agree with you here (but I don't necessarily hope he tries to connect with the urban market, he should do what he wants musically and artistically for him). But I think the 'british wit' was quite a good way of describing a lot of his work. The tongue in cheek, irony, and wit he uses in his early albums along with pop culture references probably do not relate with black hip hop listeners very well.

You may automatically call that "unfair" or "unnecessary" but if your brave enough to criticize(no matter how young you were) then you should be brave enough to at least reference it in a song.

I thought he did refernence it in a song? In a very tongue-in-cheek, witty way. "Bought Lauryn Hill's tape so her kids could starve,". referencing Lauryn Hill allegedly saying she would rather die than white people buy her albums. Fucking good line.

[RainMan44]

I met a black person today at my neighborhood basketball courts telling me that Em is the GOAT and nobody can touch his rhyme schemes.

/thread

[Almostlity]

I met a black person today at my neighborhood basketball courts telling me that Em is the GOAT and nobody can touch his rhyme schemes.

/thread

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[Le Tunisien]

this is pure bullshit....it aint about black or white..cuz we Humans ! its all about preferences , some love eminem and some hate him...it has nothin to do with a " black community" or a white one .and thats it

[EpicForever]

I'm not

unsure if serious. but if so, I was quoting what stillmatic said.

edit:

Thank you for bringing up the Benzino point because I get annoyed when people act like he was some big bully when he called out Eminem.

Not realy, what's been brought up is the irony and hypocritical nature of Benzino trying to label Em as a racist. (as Benzino is a racist idiot himself).

Lauryn must have showed ALOT of restraint to just ignore the whole thing, and it amazes me how people aren't acting like its a serious issue and just "shrug" it off. I still am amazed when hearing that interview....I mean was Marshall high or something? How are you gonna say all that while knowing what you have in your own background that would be released 4/5 years ago.

Obviously I'm a fan of the guy but he has just done extremely idiotic things

I haven't heard the Lauryn Hill interview (if there is one) but yes looking back at the foolish pride tape I'm sure Em would agree that it was ignorant and foolish of him to of made that song. But Em is obviously not a racist and if you think this shows he is you are an idiot.

He's lucky his ass didn't get jumped by the Marley family.(I would like to see him in a room with Nas and Damian Marley)

what the fuck are you going on about?

As for Em and the urban radio thing, I hope the news of him working with Primo is a hint that he is finally going to try to connect with the urban market much more. But before anyone says so, that does not necessarily mean he HAS to rap like Nas or Raekwon. I just mean that his style changes while still showing his "British wit" without going too over the top, and maybe actually being honest and actually bringing up the Lauryn Hill situation in a song.

I kind of agree with you here (but I don't necessarily hope he tries to connect with the urban market, he should do what he wants musically and artistically for him). But I think the 'british wit' was quite a good way of describing a lot of his work. The tongue in cheek, irony, and wit he uses in his early albums along with pop culture references probably do not relate with black hip hop listeners very well.

You may automatically call that "unfair" or "unnecessary" but if your brave enough to criticize(no matter how young you were) then you should be brave enough to at least reference it in a song.

I thought he did refernence it in a song? In a very tongue-in-cheek, witty way. "Bought Lauryn Hill's tape so her kids could starve,". referencing Lauryn Hill allegedly saying she would rather die than white people buy her albums. Fucking good line.

Yes an interview does exist I didn't make it up. And I think you misunderstood me with what I meant when I said he should have referenced the hypocrisy before(even if you believe now is too late). Why do people bring up the fact that "Benzino was a racist too" This is exactly what stillmatic was talking about and you guys end up proving him correct by giving the expected response "he does racist things too"(not you specifially but generally). "He raped someone too".

The point is about what Eminem said/did, we know what was Benzino's purpose in trying to turn people against Eminem, its painfully obvious.

I mean when he made Yellow Brick Road he should have also added in lyrics addressing the Lauryn Hill situation. This is the interview I am referring to:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfuIMfHGJWs

By the comment about the "Marley familY' was a joke because of the fact that she is in a relationship with Rohan Marley and Damian and her brothers may have not liked the things he said.

[AbramIsaac]

Maybe Lauryn Hill is racist.

Throwing that one out there. I know about her baby daddy being half-white. But what if she doesn't like white people?

[EpicForever]

Maybe Lauryn Hill is racist.

Throwing that one out there. I know about her baby daddy being half-white. But what if she doesn't like white people?

But how do we know that? Would you have ever even used that as a hypothetical if there weren't rumors?

[AbramIsaac]

I'll be honest man, there's no reason for me to believe she's a racist.

There was a reason for Eminem to believe she was though. Rumor or not, that statement that she didn't make (for the sake of argument) was circulated around a lot in the mid-to-late nineties. He didn't start that rumor. Did his comments help spread it? Yeah, I'm sure they did.

I can't help but wonder if maybe he heard something more though. It's all speculation...but I do wonder if maybe the Outsidaz didn't tell him something as well. They worked with her, Young Zee had her on a song of his, they spent some time together. Who knows?

At the end of the day, if Eminem was wrong, he was wrong. He's responsible for his comments, but he isn't the one who started the rumor.

[EpicForever]

I'll be honest man, there's no reason for me to believe she's a racist.

There was a reason for Eminem to believe she was though. Rumor or not, that statement that she didn't make (for the sake of argument) was circulated around a lot in the mid-to-late nineties. He didn't start that rumor. Did his comments help spread it? Yeah, I'm sure they did.

I can't help but wonder if maybe he heard something more though. It's all speculation...but I do wonder if maybe the Outsidaz didn't tell him something as well. They worked with her, Young Zee had her on a song of his, they spent some time together. Who knows?

At the end of the day, if Eminem was wrong, he was wrong. He's responsible for his comments, but he isn't the one who started the rumor.

Good points.

And your talking about just what I was bringing up the other day. I was saying to myself that I really wonder if Em ever apologized to Lauryn privately. I mean the two of them besides being cool with the Outsidaz, are also cool with Rah Digga. So it would seem awkward as hell if the situation wasn't addressed especially since Lauryn is Rah Digga's "sista" as she referred to her in that 2010 interview after her second solo album came out and talked about wanting to work with her again.

Sorry if Im being harsh on Em I just feel that I'm only being honest as a fan. Even though he did not start the rumor, his big name definitely helped to spread it, no matter how false it was. Its a shame some people to this day still look at Lauryn Hill in that way. Even though your rational, there are some irrational Em fans on other forums(not necessarily this one) who talk about how they hate Lauryn Hill because of the comments and believed that she deserved the comments Em made on SSLP and the "interview".

I'm going back to the apologizing in private thing because the whole situation just seems odd to me and awkward. Besides both being cool with Rah Digga/ Outsidaz, didn't Em also spend alot of time in Wyclef's studio back in the day?

And with the way Nas has called out people so often, I cannot see him being so cool with Em(like thanking him in the Untitled booklet as an influence), if the whole Lauryn Hill situation was not sorted out.

Hip hop like any other community has plenty of gossip, and I just personally feel with how polarizing a figure Em is, some rapper would have talked about this by now....at least that is what I think.

It makes me wonder if he did apologize

I wish there was a way that we would find out one day.

Back to the "black community" again, on the whole one of the large reasons they do not feel him as much as other emcees is because he does not have that "type" of voice that they connect with like a Pac.....I forgot the word.....I think its called "timbre" or something.

But yeah that is pretty much it. Even whenit is not shouting or using the accents, and instead his normal voice(as 100 percent of Encore was), they dont really connect well with it. By the way I'm black im just telling you guys one main thing.

[OMEGA]

I don't give two fucks about what the "black community" thinks about a rapper I like.