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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby limea » May 10th, '12, 22:52

EpicForever wrote:Once again you guys are slow.

I knew you would respond this way. Don't you think I left out the "white" comment for a reason?

This is why I kept saying how are they racist if they only dislike Em because of they think he is wack or cannot connect with his music. I left out the "white" comment multiple times because I thought you guys would be smart enough to understand that.

Hence why I kept saying how are they racist if they don't like his music style..........because like I said before I don't think its always race why he is criticized alot by them.

LOL, you didn't "leave out the white comment" in your original post.
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Fleka wrote:So, it`s ok for "the bkack comunity" to say that Em is whack and has zero great albums just because he is white? That is not racism?


If they aren't fans of his work and believe him to be wack and don't like his style of music......how exactly is that racism?
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby EpicForever » May 10th, '12, 22:59

limea wrote:
EpicForever wrote:Once again you guys are slow.

I knew you would respond this way. Don't you think I left out the "white" comment for a reason?

This is why I kept saying how are they racist if they only dislike Em because of they think he is wack or cannot connect with his music. I left out the "white" comment multiple times because I thought you guys would be smart enough to understand that.

Hence why I kept saying how are they racist if they don't like his music style..........because like I said before I don't think its always race why he is criticized alot by them.

LOL, you didn't "leave out the white comment" in your original post.
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Fleka wrote:So, it`s ok for "the bkack comunity" to say that Em is whack and has zero great albums just because he is white? That is not racism?


If they aren't fans of his work and believe him to be wack and don't like his style of music......how exactly is that racism?
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I didn't?..........



"If they aren't fans of his work and believe him to be wack and don't like his style of music......how exactly is that racism?
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby limea » May 10th, '12, 23:01

EpicForever wrote:I didn't?..........



"If they aren't fans of his work and believe him to be wack and don't like his style of music......how exactly is that racism?
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I was saying you didn't edit that white comment out of Fleka's post. If you did that, I would understand because your were using his post to make a point. I agree that it isn't racism just because you don't like someone's style of music, but that wasn't Fleka's point at all, so what was the purpose of facepalming him? :confusion:
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby Fleka » May 10th, '12, 23:09

Oh my God!! EpicForever read the OP.

"Whilst most of you rate Eminem as the greatest rapper of all time, I hope you understand that in the black community, or rather, the hip hop community, Em is no where near the best.

While most of you think that Eminem has several classic albums, the black community generally believes he has NONE.

While most of you think Relapse and Recovery were good/great albums, most believe they were pure trash.

While most of you think Em is a role model, most in the black community think he's just a culture thief."

This says that "the black comunity" dosen`t like Em just because he is white. And that is not racism? Please.
I won`t go into the "racist tape" discussion because I never heard it. Em says he was mad when he said it. People do that, get mad and say things they don`t mean. I did it, you did it, everybody did it.

You can like Eminem, or not like him or have absolutely no opinion, but you cant deny his talent and his impact in rap. I don`t like Jay Z very much, just a few songs, but I can`t say that he is not one of the best. Same goes for Em. He is one of the greatest rappers ever. Culture thief? That is pure racism. If "the black comunity" doesn`t like Em JUST cause he is white-stupid and blind racism. However you feel about Em, he is one of the greatest rappers ever and he is better than 90% of the rappers in the world. no matter what colour, race or gender.

I don`t think that is the case, Op went a bit too far.
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby EpicForever » May 11th, '12, 00:04

Fleka wrote:Oh my God!! EpicForever read the OP.

"Whilst most of you rate Eminem as the greatest rapper of all time, I hope you understand that in the black community, or rather, the hip hop community, Em is no where near the best.

While most of you think that Eminem has several classic albums, the black community generally believes he has NONE.

While most of you think Relapse and Recovery were good/great albums, most believe they were pure trash.

While most of you think Em is a role model, most in the black community think he's just a culture thief."

This says that "the black comunity" dosen`t like Em just because he is white. And that is not racism? Please.
I won`t go into the "racist tape" discussion because I never heard it. Em says he was mad when he said it. People do that, get mad and say things they don`t mean. I did it, you did it, everybody did it.

You can like Eminem, or not like him or have absolutely no opinion, but you cant deny his talent and his impact in rap. I don`t like Jay Z very much, just a few songs, but I can`t say that he is not one of the best. Same goes for Em. He is one of the greatest rappers ever. Culture thief? That is pure racism. If "the black comunity" doesn`t like Em JUST cause he is white-stupid and blind racism. However you feel about Em, he is one of the greatest rappers ever and he is better than 90% of the rappers in the world. no matter what colour, race or gender.

I don`t think that is the case, Op went a bit too far.


But your generalizing the whole community. The OP was talking about different hip hop forums with a predominantly black audience who have these viewpoints. Some of them are rational and some are irrational and say ignorant things.

Obviously if a black person does not like Eminem because he is white, then that is racism. But you said "this says" like its a proclamation by all black people. That is not the case.
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby CrashBand » May 11th, '12, 02:48

EpicForever wrote:But your generalizing the whole community. The OP was talking about different hip hop forums with a predominantly black audience who have these viewpoints. Some of them are rational and some are irrational and say ignorant things.

Obviously if a black person does not like Eminem because he is white, then that is racism. But you said "this says" like its a proclamation by all black people. That is not the case.


I think there is some truth here. I think Em is 'underrated' by black hip hop fans and 'overrated' by white hip hop fans for lack of a better word. He is probably not as well received due to the black community not relating to his musical style and themes that well.

But I think if people are straight out denying Eminem as one of the best without any real justification you have to think, maybe not consciously, that race plays a part.
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby Fleka » May 11th, '12, 10:07

EpicForever wrote:But your generalizing the whole community. The OP was talking about different hip hop forums with a predominantly black audience who have these viewpoints. Some of them are rational and some are irrational and say ignorant things.

Obviously if a black person does not like Eminem because he is white, then that is racism. But you said "this says" like its a proclamation by all black people. That is not the case.

I don`t generalize. OP said:
"Whilst most of you rate Eminem as the greatest rapper of all time, I hope you understand that in the black community, or rather, the hip hop community, Em is no where near the best.

While most of you think that Eminem has several classic albums, the black community generally believes he has NONE.

While most of you think Em is a role model, most in the black community think he's just a culture thief."

And I said that, in that case, that is racism. I personally don`t belive that is the truth, BUT THE FUCKING OP SAID IT WAS!!!
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby EpicForever » May 11th, '12, 19:19

Revolutionary wrote:^ Yeah, because all black people come from the same place and have the same mind state :zipped:
Bitch please, i've seen fancy gay black queens! Does that represent their style of life?

Look at Hopsin, Jon Connor and many other rappers.
Read what Drake, Kanye, Wayne, Ross, T.I, B.o.B, Jay..etc have said about Eminem.
Go watch the video where Lebron James (who's black) raps Em's whole Forever verse during a basketball game.
I know a lot of black people, they all love Em and his songs.

Not all black people come from the same place, neither do white people.
There are hood-like black and white people, who have the same mind-state.
These people who are on forums are not gangsta, neither from a hood.

I have not seen one black person saying Em is wack because of the color of his skin or because they can't relate to his music.
Look at MJ's impact in the whole world, he wasn't impressive, he wasn't doing something new and he definitely wasn't suitable for those "black" people you are referring to.


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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby EpicForever » May 11th, '12, 20:01

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Revolutionary wrote:That's my opinion, bo!

I seriously don't care about what you guys gonna think of me because I said this, it's not like you ever agreed with me before so it's like whatever.


An opinion does not automatically put what you say in an encased bubble of harmony, safe from any ridicule or challenges. For someone as huge as MJ, to say the things you said...it's more than likely that you're opinion is actually wrong...

You don't gotta be the "first" to do something in order to be good, being able to innovate something is just as difficult.

But anyway, it's your opinion so I'll let it snuggle cozy in it's imaginary force field of impenetrability. I don't wanna stray this off topic any further even though I don't even know wtf is going on anymore.



Yeah people can get way too cliche with the whole tired "Its my opinion!!" argument. Notice you always only hear "its my opinion" RIGHT AFTER they made their previous statement sound like a fact.

Michael Jackson deserved all the praise he got and for someone to even imply that he was not impressive in any way kind of shows ignorance. What the heck does not hearing an MJ song for 8 years have to do with your ignorant comment? What does not liking him have to do with making an ignorant comment like you just made.

As for your comment about Lebron rapping "Forever", what is your point about that? Getting praise from other black rappers like TI and BOB, and homage from celebs like Lebron does not necessarily mean that it proves that he does get alot of love in the black community.

What you just referred to was the hip hop/entertainment community. In the black community, you normally hear things like "He is nice but.......", that is normally how it usually starts off.

This obviously shows that he does get alot of RESPECT because they acknowledge his skills, they just don't connect well with certain things.
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby Ka0t1c » May 11th, '12, 20:23

didn't read, but who is racist? anybody can do whatever they want, no matter color
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby NextEpisode » May 11th, '12, 21:27

Some comments regarding MJ... It's funny, if we'd go back about 3 years, somewhere in the spring of 2009, most kids didn't know of, or at least didn't listen to Michael Jackson. He wasn't among the Top50 most followed on facebook (maybe not even the top100?)... His SoundScan sales were very low (1991- May 2009), compared to what he had accomplished in the 80s (he wasn't in the Top75)...

BUT, then Michael Jackson died, and the media hype began, the label promo began, and millions jumped on the bandwagon...

... In July 2009, Michael Jackson was the #1 followed person on Facebook. HOW? How did he jump like 100 positions? Did he release this CRAZY good record, so that he gained new fans? No, he simply became popular due to insane promotion & kids being simply influenced, and others jumping on the "popular-bandwagon"...

As a fan of all sorts of music, including some of MJ's early work. It's sad to see what death does to certain artists, and how easily influenced people are.

My point being, MJ is overrated these days. I see it quite often on this forum, that's why I made this input. Personally, I think he's a great artist, who def had an impact on the music scene, and influened a lot of artists. But the media has propelled it into something else, something of a bigger-than-life type of thing...
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby EpicForever » May 11th, '12, 21:34

NextEpisode wrote:Some comments regarding MJ... It's funny, if we'd go back about 3 years, somewhere in the spring of 2009, most kids didn't know of, or at least didn't listen to Michael Jackson. He wasn't among the Top50 most followed on facebook (maybe not even the top100?)... His SoundScan sales were very low (1991- May 2009), compared to what he had accomplished in the 80s (he wasn't in the Top75)...

BUT, then Michael Jackson died, and the media hype began, the label promo began, and millions jumped on the bandwagon...

... In July 2009, Michael Jackson was the #1 followed person on Facebook. HOW? How did he jump like 100 positions? Did he release this CRAZY good record, so that he gained new fans? No, he simply became popular due to insane promotion & kids being simply influenced, and others jumping on the "popular-bandwagon"...

As a fan of all sorts of music, including some of MJ's early work. It's sad to see what death does to certain artists, and how easily influenced people are.

My point being, MJ is overrated these days, especially by kids.

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How were his soundscan sales low? Did people return 100 million CDS and ask them not to be counted in his sales?

Overrated has got to be one of the most annoying words. People throw around the word so often without explaining in what way they mean. Just making general statements "KObe is overrated!!!....In what way? I don't know man he is just overrated.

People seriously exaggerate the whole ''people only cared about _____musician after they died. They generalize a whole group of people way too much.
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby NextEpisode » May 11th, '12, 21:56

EpicForever wrote:
NextEpisode wrote:Some comments regarding MJ... It's funny, if we'd go back about 3 years, somewhere in the spring of 2009, most kids didn't know of, or at least didn't listen to Michael Jackson. He wasn't among the Top50 most followed on facebook (maybe not even the top100?)... His SoundScan sales were very low (1991- May 2009), compared to what he had accomplished in the 80s (he wasn't in the Top75)...

BUT, then Michael Jackson died, and the media hype began, the label promo began, and millions jumped on the bandwagon...

... In July 2009, Michael Jackson was the #1 followed person on Facebook. HOW? How did he jump like 100 positions? Did he release this CRAZY good record, so that he gained new fans? No, he simply became popular due to insane promotion & kids being simply influenced, and others jumping on the "popular-bandwagon"...

As a fan of all sorts of music, including some of MJ's early work. It's sad to see what death does to certain artists, and how easily influenced people are.

My point being, MJ is overrated these days, especially by kids.

/rant


How were his soundscan sales low? Did people return 100 million CDS and ask them not to be counted in his sales?

Overrated has got to be one of the most annoying words. People throw around the word so often without explaining in what way they mean. Just making general statements "KObe is overrated!!!....In what way? I don't know man he is just overrated.

People seriously exaggerate the whole ''people only cared about _____musician after they died. They generalize a whole group of people way too much.


1. Michael Jackson has - to date - scanned (sold) some 35 million albums, according to SoundScan. Before his death, it was below 25 million... So... you were close... Divide your sum by 4 and you got it!

2. I don't use the term overrated very often, actually, it's quite rare. I look it from the objective perspective - facts/available statistics. And based on soley that, I stick by my statement.

I look at the word overrated in kinda the same way as I look at the word overvalued in the stock-market... i.e... what is the reason for the sudden gains in terms of facebook-fans/sold albums (or stock-price, when talking about stocks)... Is it something great the artist released? (or in the case of a Company, was it something great they accomplished?)... Or, is it basically hype/emotions that is pushing up the way we interpret value?

3. "People exaggerate...". I disagree. I'd put it the other way around.
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby EpicForever » May 11th, '12, 22:04

NextEpisode wrote:
EpicForever wrote:
NextEpisode wrote:Some comments regarding MJ... It's funny, if we'd go back about 3 years, somewhere in the spring of 2009, most kids didn't know of, or at least didn't listen to Michael Jackson. He wasn't among the Top50 most followed on facebook (maybe not even the top100?)... His SoundScan sales were very low (1991- May 2009), compared to what he had accomplished in the 80s (he wasn't in the Top75)...

BUT, then Michael Jackson died, and the media hype began, the label promo began, and millions jumped on the bandwagon...

... In July 2009, Michael Jackson was the #1 followed person on Facebook. HOW? How did he jump like 100 positions? Did he release this CRAZY good record, so that he gained new fans? No, he simply became popular due to insane promotion & kids being simply influenced, and others jumping on the "popular-bandwagon"...

As a fan of all sorts of music, including some of MJ's early work. It's sad to see what death does to certain artists, and how easily influenced people are.

My point being, MJ is overrated these days, especially by kids.

/rant


How were his soundscan sales low? Did people return 100 million CDS and ask them not to be counted in his sales?

Overrated has got to be one of the most annoying words. People throw around the word so often without explaining in what way they mean. Just making general statements "KObe is overrated!!!....In what way? I don't know man he is just overrated.

People seriously exaggerate the whole ''people only cared about _____musician after they died. They generalize a whole group of people way too much.


1. Michael Jackson has - to date - scanned (sold) some 35 million albums, according to SoundScan. Before his death, it was below 25 million... So... you were close... Divide your sum by 4 and you got it!

2. I don't use the term overrated very often, actually, it's quite rare. I look it from the objective perspective - facts/available statistics. And based on soley that, I stick by my statement.

I look at the word overrated in kinda the same way as I look at the word overvalued in the stock-market... i.e... what is the reason for the sudden gains in terms of facebook-fans/sold albums (or stock-price, when talking about stocks)... Is it something great the artist released? (or in the case of a Company, was it something great they accomplished?)... Or, is it basically hype/emotions that is pushing up the way we interpret value?

3. "People exaggerate...". I disagree. I'd put it the other way around.


You seriously believe he only sold below 25 million albums before his death?

What album are you talking about? His album sales were already huge, and of course sales are going to increase when an artist dies. People want to remember that nostalgia and sometimes big news makes people discover things they never heard before.

People need to get off the '" I was a fan first!!!" crap, it does not and should not matter when a person becomes a fan of an artist.
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Re: The black community will never ever respect Eminem

Postby NextEpisode » May 11th, '12, 22:24

EpicForever wrote:
NextEpisode wrote:1. Michael Jackson has - to date - scanned (sold) some 35 million albums, according to SoundScan. Before his death, it was below 25 million... So... you were close... Divide your sum by 4 and you got it!

2. I don't use the term overrated very often, actually, it's quite rare. I look it from the objective perspective - facts/available statistics. And based on soley that, I stick by my statement.

I look at the word overrated in kinda the same way as I look at the word overvalued in the stock-market... i.e... what is the reason for the sudden gains in terms of facebook-fans/sold albums (or stock-price, when talking about stocks)... Is it something great the artist released? (or in the case of a Company, was it something great they accomplished?)... Or, is it basically hype/emotions that is pushing up the way we interpret value?

3. "People exaggerate...". I disagree. I'd put it the other way around.


You seriously believe he only sold below 25 million albums before his death?

What album are you talking about? His album sales were already huge, and of course sales are going to increase when an artist dies. People want to remember that nostalgia and sometimes big news makes people discover things they never heard before.

People need to get off the '" I was a fan first!!!" crap, it does not and should not matter when a person becomes a fan of an artist.


1. Google/Wiki "SoundScan", see what it is.
2. If you look at industry facts from the mid 2000s decade onward, and compare 2000-2008 with 2009-2012, my point is almost undisputable, imo.
3. Never did I state that I had problems when people becomes a fan of an artist.
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