name wrote:This thread took an awful turn. I'm not even getting into the OP discussion, there's something I want to address right in the middle of it.
Man1x wrote:I said overall, now tell me an album where Yeezy doesn't have three songs about materialism, bitches, and humor. Name one, and it has to be a rap album. Not an R&B album intended to attract teenage girls (that says nothing about the quality so don't go ape shit).
"An R&B album intended to attract teenage girls"? I realize what you're doing with this thread, but that claim is hilarious. That basically translates into an arrogance and delusion. So, basically, you're accusing everybody that thinks 808s & Heartbreak is a good album of sharing the same taste of music with teenage girls? I assume it's the same with other albums that aren't Hip Hop, such as.. WZRD? Nostalgia, Ultra? A Thousand Suns? That's a huge sentence you just said, but I ain't even getting into this because everybody who isn't a "loyal" hip hop fan knows exactly how hilarious to read that claim is.
Oh, MBDTF.
The whole album is a metaphor for Kanye's career up to this point
Dark Fantasy is his introduction into the rap game
Gorgeous is Kanye hitting back on everybody who doubted him and the beat switch for Raekwon's verse is to symbolise the fact that 'Ye is on the same track as one of his idols, futher proving that he's made it
POWER is a key track, this is Kanye at his most cocky, confident, but most vulnerable state of mind, as the song goes on you can see that the fame is starting to that it's tole, "this will be a beautiful death, jumping out the window, letting everything go". This really sets the tone for the rest of the album
All of The Lights is Kanye describing his personal problems, again that fame has brought on him, listen closely to the hook, "I want you to see everything, EVERYTHING, all of the Lights" - all of the lights = metaphor for problems, and you'll hear the phrase being used 2-3 more times on the album
Monster = 'Ye's response to the Taylor Swift incident, "gossip, gossip, ni**ga just stop it, everybody knows I'm a mothafuckin' monster"
So Appalled I'm not too sure about, I think it could be Kanye again hitting back at the criticism he got over the Taylor Swift incident, Jay also uses this track to hit back at his critics, and Pusha also drops one the "realest" verses of his career
Devil in New Dress is the start of Kanye's relationship issues (which is the theme for the next 2 songs as well). This is 'Ye reflecting on the times he spent with his girl, the guitar solo is used to add to the "reflective" theme of this song
Runaway is another key track possibly the biggest song of West's career, and maybe the biggest moment of clarity I’ve heard on a rap album. Like Devil in a New Dress, the first half of this song is also a reflective track. It starts off with how ‘Ye doesn’t care how he treats women, “I sent this girl a picture of my dick”, as the goes on though you can see that Kanye gradually starts to show remorse, and the final 3 minutes is basically Kanye crying/breaking down into a vocoder after he’s finally realised what he’s done. The first minute and a half of this is very distorted because ‘Ye’s mind is all over the place, but as things start to sink in, everything becomes clear (Kanye’s thoughts and what he was mumbling into the vocoder).
Hell of A Life is Kanye going on a drug fuelled rampage to try and forget what happened
Blame Game is his break up with Amber Rose. All the different voice effects on here are used to convey Kanye’s emotions. This is also another song where he uses the phrase “all of the lights” when talking about his problems. The Chris Rock skit at the end is the scene that Kanye talks about at the end of his part of the song. It’s a weird skit because the first time I heard it I laughed, then when I actually thought about how I’d react if I rang my girl and heard this kind of conversation going on, I felt sympathetic for ‘Ye.
Lost in The World is another key track, this is where Kanye is at at this moment and time. It starts off with Kanye being lost, broken, and just feeling totally fucked. But as it goes on ‘Ye becomes more optimistic, and in this song he drops a positive verse which describes Kanye getting back on his feet. “Run from the LIGHTS, run from the night” – Kanye is finally escaping the problems that plagued him throughout the album
That my thoughts on the albums concept, I could be totally wrong, but fuck it!
From TR's one and only, KillahBee.
Man1x wrote:Only mentioned it because people dick ride Eminem and Kanye West like they are the second coming of Christ. It's annoying and makes me hate these two. I mean c'mon people it gets old, no artist is perfect. Also, remember when everyone hated Justin Bieber? That was before he was associated with Kanye West. Now everyone likes him in order to make sure Kanye West isn't considered a sell out. Btw I never hated him but it's funny how some people's opinions change so fast.
Well indeed, but nowadays people label every fan a dickrider which is a complete turn-off for a rational discussion. Oh and about that Justin Bieber thingy, when did Kanye West not collaborate with popstars though? How could he be labelled a sell-out for doing something that he always did? Not to mention that he did some crazy verses and production with Runaway Love Remix, it wasn't even a Bieber song, basically it was a Wu-Tang song with that production.
And I don't even like Bieber, I generally hate Bieber's music, but would I say he isn't talented at all? No, I wouldn't. And unfortunately for us biased beings that automatically translates into "He's either trying to make excuses for collaborating with Kanye or he's a closet Bieber fan".
I swear Hip Hop forums are hilarious, I abandon thread.