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Re: Ice-T "The Art of Rap" Film - In AMC Theaters June 15!

Postby Amaranthine » Jun 13th, '12, 19:58

Menzo wrote:
Amaranthine wrote:Well, we let 15 year olds drive on the highway with an adult in the car. But once they have their license at 16, they can drive on the highway by themselves.


Anyway, back on topic. I'm dying to see this movie. I hope it ends up on the internet or something before the DVD comes out, I don't want to have to wait 6 months or whatever it is before it's released on DVD.


Licenses here are at 16 too :b:

I really don't understand why they aren't just making it available everywhere, it would do good. Especially since the AMC theaters are in wealthier cities where, ignorantly assumed, Hip-Hop is less prominent.

I know, it's so stupid! There are tons of people who'd love to see it and can't, they're just limiting themselves. I assume it has something to do with the distribution company that bought the movie.
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Re: Ice-T "The Art of Rap" Film - In AMC Theaters June 15!

Postby Amaranthine » Jun 13th, '12, 20:09

I think it would've sold more as a straight-to-DVD, but it wouldn't have had as much press.
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Re: Ice-T "The Art of Rap" Film - In AMC Theaters June 15!

Postby Amaranthine » Jun 14th, '12, 21:43

LOL it took me five minutes to find this thread, I was looking for my blue name. Purple doesn't stand out as much against all the red.

The parts of this interview that are worth reading:
Since you are an old school hip-hop artists and still relevant, how would you explain hip-hop to someone who has never heard of it?

Rap is the delivery and hip-hop is the culture. Anyone can rap. I mean, you could consider Dr. Suess a rapper. Hip-hop is a culture that includes five elements: break dancing, writing, graffiti, DJing and the last element is knowledge. It was started in the south Bronx and it was a way for kids to express themselves and connect with the community. It was a positive movement to help keep kids off the streets and getting in trouble. Fast forward to today, it's a global thing and it's everywhere and a part of everything.

The video with Eminem freestyling... How did you get these people in your movie? Did you call them personally?


I got all these cats on speed dial. I mean, I have known Eminem since I met him on the Warped Tour, back in the day. When you have been in the game as long as I have, you meet a lot of people. I called a lot of people, asked them to do it, and everyone was with it. Eminem is the little homie and we asked him to freestyle and he went in.

Sounds like the old technical Eminem is back.


Eminem has skills, but you got to understand: what you hear on record is different than a freestyle. You don't just lose your skills or change, it just depends on what your sound is as you grow older.

Hip-hop is still young compared to other genres like rock. We haven't had a chance to have a Rolling Stones or U2, bands like that. Why is hip-hop the only genre where the younger people don't respect the elders as much?


The first word in hip-hop is hip and hip-hop likes to disregard things. We might wear a brand of clothing or a certain item, and then people say "That's played out." Fast forward a few years and a lot of that stuff will come back out like Air Jordans and the snapbacks people are wearing today. There is a love for the early hip-hop, but I think the new kids come in and don't know the history. Instead of doing the history, they say f*** it. If they did do the history, they would probably like it. In jazz, you don't see the new people saying "F*** Miles Davis," but hip-hop is all about what's next.

It's so young. Guys from your era are like the first Rolling Stones of hip-hop.


That's my job, as the O.G, to set, check, and keep the younger generation in line. My job is to make sure my set stays in pocket and maintain control like "Whoa playa, you a little outta pocket." I love the new school and I want them to know you can do more than just rock a party. When you just rocking a party, you losing out. You can be doing more. We have to realize hip-hop helped get Obama elected. Why don't you ask your readers what's the last important rap album ... with "important" being the word. Then, ask whose the last important MC? We want to lean towards saying and doing more things that are "important." Rappers love Tupac and not because he could rock parties, but because he could do everything. He was well-rounded. It wasn't just about money; he talked about politics, his mother, staying positive and all that good sh**. It wasn't just "I got more than you" and "I am setting my money on fire" -- that sh** is wack. I did a record called "Pimpin Ain't Easy," but that was one song. That isn't the essence of my career.

You are very well spoken and you drop so much game. When will we see a rapper go into politics? Have you ever thought about running for some type of office or getting involved with politics?


Nah man, I got outta crime (laughs). Hip-hop is already political because we show our conscious side and show what is going on in our communities. I don't really give a f***, but I like inspiring the youth. One day I will be gone, so it's up to y'all to keep the legacy going. If we don't, eventually one day we might not remember what hip-hop was really all about and that would be a travesty. Groups like N.W.A, The Ghetto Boys and myself weren't just gangsta rappers. We were a lot more than that and it's my job to make sure the younger generation knows this.

It is our responsibility to put people on, especially the younger kids, to the history of hip-hop.


Then you a G 'cause that's the job of the G. That's what a G does, it schools the youth and does right by them. You got groups like Odd Future and different people stepping out ... like Lupe is one of my favorite. You also have that bullsh** as well. I look at it like this: if your song has more hooks than actual rapping, then you hooking you, not rapping. There are rappers and then there are hookers. Some people aren't saying sh**, but then people like Cory Gunz are spitting fire. If I'm saying something that people don't like, then I am hating. That's a problem if people don't agree with you today, then you are written off as a hater. I have taken rap for a ride that very few rappers could do. I am trying to get Oscars and all that sh**; I'm not hating. I am trying to keep this alive.

Your movie Surviving the Game is still dope.


My thing is all about expanding the game because I am a hustler. My job is to show how far hip-hop can go. I have written books, directed, acted ... I mean don't just limit yourself to just one thing. Hip-hop could be a lot of great things. At the end of the day, we are just intelligent hood people.

If there is something I wanna do, I just go out and do it. My boy might say to me, "Yo Ice, I am going to the ballet, there are some bad bitches in there." What is my response? "Aight, let's do it. I'm with you". That's gangster. I don't let anyone else dictate my moves. Nobody is bad enough to tell you what you should be doing. Who the f*** are they? Im'a do me and you do you, and that's gangster.

The secret to your success is to just do it?


My secret is I only respect and take advice from people that I admire. I don't listen to the peanut gallery because those cats are usually the people I used to prey on. I don't listen to a sucka, I listen to the movers and the shakers and the people on my level. Anyone who tries to elevate themselves and stay sucka repellent is who I f*** with. This dumbass had me on the radio the other day saying, "Ice, you not gangster." He's the same dude if I saw him in the street, I might burn him in the street. I'll shoot a n**** so close that he'll get powder burns. I am at a point in my career that the sky is not the limit and it doesn't stop and I am trying to show ya'll that.


Another:
“You write complicated rhymes,” Ice-T says to Eminem in the new film “Something From Nothing: The Art of Rap.” Do they start out that way, he continues, or do you complicate them?

His question and Eminem’s candid attempt at answering it are what’s remarkable about this star-studded rap and hip-hop documentary, directed by Ice-T and Andy Baybutt. Despite the fluffier and repetitive responses elicited by Ice-T — the old-school rapper turned “Law & Order: SVU” lead — this is a film that does sweat the technique, with at times illuminating and spirited results.

Not that Eminem whips out a sheet of diagramed lyrics, but we do see someone else’s, while another rhyme slinger surprisingly credits his sense of structure to the high school writing formula of introduction-body-conclusion. Loosely organized by geography, “Something From Nothing” consists of Ice-T’s visiting famous practitioners he knows, and asking how they do it, and what it was like back in the day.

But he also asks them to show off their skills: Almost everyone featured, from KRS-One and Doug E. Fresh to Nas, Q-Tip and most fiercely Kanye West, freestyles — in unbroken takes — or trades favorite lines or anecdotes from some deeply felt influence.

As history, hitting the usual beats with legendary Bronx origins, East-West distinctions and so on, the film’s account can be shallow. Likewise, the bumper shots of city streets and helicopter views grow tiresome. But when the theory and practice come out in equally full force, “Something From Nothing” gets closer to the heart of the matter than you might expect from its famous roster.

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Re: Ice-T "The Art of Rap" Film - In AMC Theaters June 15!

Postby Amaranthine » Jun 15th, '12, 02:28

Show, don’t tell is one of the oldest rules of writing. And “Something From Nothing,” the iconic gangsta rapper Ice-T’s ambitious hip-hop documentary, has too much telling and not enough showing. Three dozen mostly old-school artists weigh in, and too many of them just don’t say enough to deserve as much screen time as they get.

Boil this film down to the highlights, however, and it has plenty to recommend it. The format is bare bones, mostly interviews and off-the-cuff rhymes framed by shots of urban scenes in New York and Los Angeles (rendered like sepia-toned postcards). “Something From Nothing” eschews the celebrity aspect of hip-hop stardom to focus on the craft of the form, how its practitioners write lyrics and rhymes to create what the film’s subtitle calls “The Art of Rap.”

If you think there’s nothing more to rapping than throwing out random rhymes over a recorded loop, “Something From Nothing” will disabuse you of that notion right quick. The eternal struggle of getting the right words onto paper is universal.

“Had the [expletive] right there,” Grandmaster Caz mutters at one point. Anybody who has ever written anything will be able to relate.

There are some puzzling omissions, especially Kurtis Blow and Jay-Z, but “Something From Nothing” has plenty of charisma on the screen. Some of the film’s more entertaining bits include Rakim attempting to explain his 16-dots-on-a-paper method of lyric writing (which even Ice-T admits he doesn’t understand); Immortal Technique explaining why he writes while in a state of physical hunger; Wu-Tang Clan’s Raekwon holding forth on the nunances of the word “wack”; and KRS-One recalling the start of his hip-hop career – getting called out for his clothes at someone else’s hip-hop battle. Ice-T has enough credibility and history to command respect from his peers, even when confessing that he’ll sometimes fake onstage microphone problems to cover when he forgets lyrics.

Eminem makes the most vivid impression. Spitting out the rhymes to the “8 Mile” theme “Lose Yourself,” he appears wild-eyed and on the verge of collapsing into a trance. You get a sense of him as a deeply damaged human who copes by working nonstop.

At the other end of the spectrum is Snoop Dogg, who treats rap like sport – a series of challenges to rise up to. Mellow and cool behind his shades, Snoop looks like he’s turning into John Lee Hooker, a wizened old bluesman. Or maybe a guy hanging around a barbershop spinning rhymes in an endless dozens game, which is how rap began in the first place.

And so the circle continues.

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