Eminem - 8th Studio Album official info thread

[EminemBase]

But I do agree: it would be good to at least keep the audience fulfilled with some experimentations every now and again.

I disagree. I'm glad Em does it this way.

This is why he continues to sell gigantic numbers every album - he very consciously keeps people wanting more, and guessing what's next. Anticipation and mystique = excitement.

He remains exciting because he's still unpredictable (in terms of style) as to where he's going next.

If Em continuously put out mixtapes or even constant freestyles and the latest 'updates' of where he's at: he would be less exciting, and more predictable. We'd have more of an idea of what's coming... I don't want to know what's coming.

I can't wait for the next album, but I'm glad I have to.

What is somewhat surprising in regards to your comment is that his two "freestyles" that were released prior to relapse and recovery, while both being less than 3 minutes, pretty much summed up his album.

Why is that surprising, what do you mean?

[Emadyville]

The fact that, say he had put out mixtapes or more random tracks between albums it might have been "more predictable" like you said, but with hindsight, his freestyles ended up doing just that.

[EminemBase]

The fact that, say he had put out mixtapes or more random tracks between albums it might have been "more predictable" like you said, but with hindsight, his freestyles ended up doing just that.

Yeah exactly...

I mean, a first single kind of does that but his freestyles prior to albums tend to really encapsulate how he will sound and what sort of themes he's going to go with overall.

I think if he just continues to release very short freestyles before the albums, that will still build excitement, as it's only a sneak-peak. Like a trailer for a movie.

His freestyle verses before or around album 'eras' are usually better than album material too, "Despicable" > most of Recovery. Obviously it intends what the intent of the song is, but I find he tries to... condense or present his style a certain way when it's in a song, and that can have a negative effect on his skill. Not always, as "Almost Famous" is godly but, sometimes.

[Emadyville]

The fact that, say he had put out mixtapes or more random tracks between albums it might have been "more predictable" like you said, but with hindsight, his freestyles ended up doing just that.

Yeah exactly...

I mean, a first single kind of does that but his freestyles prior to albums tend to really encapsulate how he will sound and what sort of themes he's going to go with overall.

I think if he just continues to release very short freestyles before the albums, that will still build excitement, as it's only a sneak-peak. Like a trailer for a movie.

Yeah I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was kind of taken back by your comment and in thinking about the freestyles he released and how they sorta did what you said mixtapes might have done.

I think it's better that way, although I'd love for him to release more shit prior to albums, but him disappearing for awhile before albums does add to the hype.

But in the end, I'd still take an em mixtape that made the album somewhat predictable over just an album.

[EminemBase]

But in the end, I'd still take an em mixtape that made the album somewhat predictable over just an album.

I wouldn't like that personally, because when Em drops a new album it's like opening a Christmas present, even with Recovery I remember listening to "Cold Wind Blows" like "wow, what the fuck is this" and it sounded NOTHING like Relapse or really any of his prior material.

That kind of initial BAM I get, I only really tend to get to that degree with Em and maybe Kanye, and I think it's because they keep their shit so secretive (generally, Kanye is more open than Em) / but also because they put so much effort in to making it different of course.

I've never had that as much with an Em album than how I did with Relapse though. I was listening to that for days on end, just peeling away at it, fascinated with the flows and the rhyming. Relapse was kind of magical to me in a way he hadn't been since he first came out.

(STILL annoyed I got fucked out of Relapse 2. Grr, motherfucker).

But anyway, yeah so - if I had like a whole mixtape prior to the album? I think that effect would be largely taken away for the album, as the initial 'wow' or surprise of the sound would have been 'worn-in' with the mixtape. I'm glad I'm starved of material then smashed in the face with it.

[EminemBase]

I hope with his next album he announces it with a freestyle. With the other two, we already knew about the album. I hope with this one he just drops a freestyle literally out of nowhere along with album info. (Title, release date, first single title)
That would be the most epic thing in recent music history. (assuming the freestyle is Despicable caliber or better)

Yeah that'd be a really good idea. I hope he is doing that too.

It's crazy how everything I've personally hoped for with Em and spoke about to another Em fan / online friend has come to fruition too.

Literally - when Em was about to come back like, early 2009 when they announced the albums, all I could think was "I want the craziest, most psychopathic content with intense rhyming and flows" which... couldn't better fucking describe Relapse, though I never anticipated that style.

But then all I wanted was punchlines. Relapse inspired me to listen to Infinite I think just due to the complexity of the rhymes and it just kind of made me think of that time-period, with the obsession / focus on words, and the punchlines from Infinite made me want nothing but puns...

Again, 'nothing but puns', is there a better way to describe Recovery? lmao. Now obviously Recovery isn't just puns, there's substance and other stuff to it but, 2010-now has = puns galore.

THEN I was thinking about how fucking awesome it would be to get a Bad Meets Evil project (but so was probably everybody given that they reconciled) but NEVER thought it would happen (see: 2011).

Maybe I'm god and my thoughts are directing Em's behaviour? probably true.

Okay, so what will I make Em do next, hmmm...

[Emadyville]

But in the end, I'd still take an em mixtape that made the album somewhat predictable over just an album.

I wouldn't like that personally, because when Em drops a new album it's like opening a Christmas present, even with Recovery I remember listening to "Cold Wind Blows" like "wow, what the fuck is this" and it sounded NOTHING like Relapse or really any of his prior material.

That kind of initial BAM I get, I only really tend to get to that degree with Em and maybe Kanye, and I think it's because they keep their shit so secretive (generally, Kanye is more open than Em) / but also because they put so much effort in to making it different of course.

I've never had that as much with an Em album than how I did with Relapse though. I was listening to that for days on end, just peeling away at it, fascinated with the flows and the rhyming. Relapse was kind of magical to me in a way he hadn't been since he first came out.

(STILL annoyed I got fucked out of Relapse 2. Grr, motherfucker).

But anyway, yeah so - if I had like a whole mixtape prior to the album? I think that effect would be largely taken away for the album, as the initial 'wow' or surprise of the sound would have been 'worn-in' with the mixtape. I'm glad I'm starved of material then smashed in the face with it.

I mean it really all depend...because if he could release on a mixtape throwaway tracks from BME, random shit right after, maybe D12 songs that didn't go anywhere, or shit he was just fucking with. I mean, I feel like Ridaz and Session One didn't fit the recovery feel, so if they were released prior I wouldn't have felt like he gave anything away, but maybe that's just me.

I guess my point is we wouldn't really know, obviously we would assume it would have the same feel as the album since we'd also assume the songs were recorded during his process of recording the album. But it would only be able to be judged after his album is released, so again, it really would all depend. But I agree with his recent albums feeling like opening an xmas present

[Emadyville]

I hope with his next album he announces it with a freestyle. With the other two, we already knew about the album. I hope with this one he just drops a freestyle literally out of nowhere along with album info. (Title, release date, first single title)
That would be the most epic thing in recent music history. (assuming the freestyle is Despicable caliber or better)

Yeah that'd be a really good idea. I hope he is doing that too.

It's crazy how everything I've personally hoped for with Em and spoke about to another Em fan / online friend has come to fruition too.

Literally - when Em was about to come back like, early 2009 when they announced the albums, all I could think was "I want the craziest, most psychopathic content with intense rhyming and flows" which... couldn't better fucking describe Relapse, though I never anticipated that style.

But then all I wanted was punchlines. Relapse inspired me to listen to Infinite I think just due to the complexity of the rhymes and it just kind of made me think of that time-period, with the obsession / focus on words, and the punchlines from Infinite made me want nothing but puns...

Again, 'nothing but puns', is there a better way to describe Recovery? lmao. Now obviously Recovery isn't just puns, there's substance and other stuff to it but, 2010-now has = puns galore.

THEN I was thinking about how fucking awesome it would be to get a Bad Meets Evil project (but so was probably everybody given that they reconciled) but NEVER thought it would happen (see: 2011).

Maybe I'm god and my thoughts are directing Em's behaviour? probably true.

Okay, so what will I make Em do next, hmmm...

I think the better question is what do you want next? Cause I'm not really sure where I expect or think em will go with this next album, or how he'll change his style up like he almost always does. I didn't expect what I got on relapse by any means, and even less but still didnt expect what I got on recovery so who knows

[melbournian]

But then all I wanted was punchlines. Relapse inspired me to listen to Infinite I think just due to the complexity of the rhymes and it just kind of made me think of that time-period, with the obsession / focus on words, and the punchlines from Infinite made me want nothing but puns...

I was exactly the fuckin same, summer 2009 I can almost say that I literally only listened to both of those albums. I studied them so fuckin much.

Me too - except it was winter where I'm from and I snuck a bit of SSLP in there as well. Funny how that works, I never really connected it but it certainly happened to me too.

[EminemBase]

Eminem learned before his career even started that prioritizing quality over quantity of songs will get you more respect/attention in the long run. That's why he doesn't put out a half-assed mixtape in between albums like every other boring, attention-seeking, shitty rapper. These are the kinds of rappers who think they need to put out a song every day. They don't keep their brain farts to themselves, they just post every thought and opinion as it occurs to them on their Twitter pages.

It comes down to respect. If you respect your fans/consumers by putting time/effort into your product, they will respect you. Despite how Eminem's flow and voice seems to be in the toilet, he still slaves over his rhyme schemes and lyrics.

Yep.

Lmao at your avatar - a great snap / moment of Louie in one of his classic 'breakdown slash explanation' moments: it makes me feel like I'm listening to Louie CK whenever I read your posts now too. It's like I read your post, then see that Louie pic and even if I don't agree with something I feel more inclined too due to the Louie snap.

You're one of the best comedians of the last five years man.

[Sam.]

I don't want too many producers getting involved in this project unless he tells them exactly what theme he wants so the production won't bee all over the place like on Recovery.

"Too many cooks spoil the broth".

He needs a person that isn't an outsider, like take Dre, he's comfortable with him.... Bass Brothers. I think, Eminem and Blaze have formed a good chemistry, remember they had recorded 8 songs for Recovery. He needs a bond like that to get his best material out.

@Wreck...This is exactly what I wanted to say.
I'm not against having 6 or 7 different producers, but I don't want the overall product to sound like Recovery. I'm all for creativity, but Recovery was nowhere as near creative as any other album he's made.

More like a singular feel to it?

[_Hawk_]

But I do agree: it would be good to at least keep the audience fulfilled with some experimentations every now and again.

I disagree. I'm glad Em does it this way.

This is why he continues to sell gigantic numbers every album - he very consciously keeps people wanting more, and guessing what's next. Anticipation and mystique = excitement.

He remains exciting because he's still unpredictable (in terms of style) as to where he's going next.

If Em continuously put out mixtapes or even constant freestyles and the latest 'updates' of where he's at: he would be less exciting, and more predictable. We'd have more of an idea of what's coming... I don't want to know what's coming.

I can't wait for the next album, but I'm glad I have to.

I think you appear to misinterpret 'dropping a freestyle every now and again' for 'continuously putting out mixtapes' which wasn't what I said at all.

There is nothing to be gained from dropping a random album without any build-up of hype or pre-experimentation, as the recent Art of Rap freestyle has shown.
Previous Eminem albums, such as the MMLP, benefited extremely well from the plethora of features and freestyles Eminem was on. It's only now that he's such a big name that the impact is minimal which is where your argument is flawed because it's not really an argument: it's something that is pre-conceived: Eminem always has the hype and build-up to go with everything, and releases don't detract from this. They can either assist it or accompany, but only detract if they happen regularly. Which has never happened. So if you take the amount of releases Eminem used to make into account, there's nothing to suggest at all that more features/freestyles would do any damage.

As far as predictability goes, the Westwood freestyle didn't really show what Recovery was like. The whole-point of freestyles and features is an element of experimentation which we continue to see with Em. Dropping a few more wouldn't give the game away to any degree. Indeed, I'd even happen to suggest the game for the MMLP had been given away to a considerable degree: at least as far as his voice was sounding. What was unpredictable was the content and the way it was produced.

There's only so much a freestyle can achieve. It's never going to be a Stan acapella or a verse to 'Going-Through-Changes' (No Apologies is an exception) and so I don't think a freestyle will ever detract from an album; certainly not to the degree Eminem used them when he was at his peak.

[UofLCard]

The only info 'official' on this thread so far is that he's working on the album, and that 2013 is a possible release date.

[Sam.]

The only info 'official' on this thread so far is that he's working on the album, and that 2013 is a possible release date.

What else do you expect this thread to go? It's bound to turn in a discussion, with no legit info around. Let us debate with the available info.

[radioactivejaber]

One thing I've noticed from Eminem is that he never does a push-back for his albums. Like ever. Recently, Relapse, Recovery and Hell: the Sequel all dropped on the scheduled date. So atleast we wont have a Slaughterhouse problem when the album release gets announced. I'm so hyped for this, I read somewhere that the first single for the album would drop sometime around Sept/October