Welcome to: Our house (LEAKED LINK INSIDE)

[Man1x]

http://culturevi.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/welcome-to-d12s-house-slaughterhouse-review/

Not sure if that was posted yet...

I respect his opinion, mostly because it means nothing to me, but FUCK HIM for essentially dissing D12. Fat fuck, I hope Joey's threats are real now.

Hey, D12 doesn't have a fan base outside of Eminem's influence, tbh.

Only a few actually ever cared. No offense to their music, but you have to admit they'd never sold more than Cashis if it wasn't for Eminem.

[momentsgolden]

http://culturevi.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/welcome-to-d12s-house-slaughterhouse-review/

Not sure if that was posted yet...

this review is amazing

I just read it; and I agree with it.

But, that guy basically says all the things I've been saying since the album dropped and which you made a huge point of disagreeing with me on lmao.

You make excllent reviews so if that guy is making a anything close to what you say then its a good review!! lol

i've literally read over 40 reviews of the album from 2 sentence ones to track by track ones and what defines a good review to me is not whether i agree with the person or not. Its honesty, integrity, clarity and attention to detail. Dont just say, the highlight is Goodbye and they made a commercial sound in Throw it away. Give more detail. Give me new information or a different angle i had not thought of and then i can engage you on it. For an example of an awful one- see XXL. That is why to me the Deadendhiphop one is my most anticipated as i already have an idea how they will argue but the way the do it would be interesting.

Two important differences with him and you though is-
1- Once you listen to all the songs they released, watch the interviews, i dont honestly see how Joell Ortiz could disappoint anyone. Of course he had one or two average verse but on the whole he had character, hunger, effort and a happiness that was infectious. Like he said, Royce got comfortable, Joe Budden only showed up when he wanted to and Crooked I was the robot precision.
2- he agrees that the final product is lacking but in his words

SIDENOTE: You should all purchase this album. Between the mixtape and the album, they’ve given fans plenty of good, new music to listen to. For that alone, we should support. If we don’t, we won’t get any new music from them. Matter of fact, I’m bumping my version of the album now:

you never took me up on my offer of blatantly disregarding traditional listening methods of an albums and simply create YOUR version of the album. I gave you that thread and you ddnt post or even comment on it and i assumed that meant you wanted to listen to it top to bottom as the artist intended. When i do that, i get bored and my ears clang and i get angry. When i put on any of my three playlists, i have an amazing hour of music.

[babyjane]

http://culturevi.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/welcome-to-d12s-house-slaughterhouse-review/

Not sure if that was posted yet...

Finally, someone being honest.

Is this his typical review style? I respect his opinion but he sounds more like a gossip columnist than a reviewer. I think to give a good review you have to take your personal relationships out of it and just review the music in and of itself. He makes good points but sounds like a whiny girl writing in her tumblr diary about her former friends. And damn he's repetitive; how many times did he repeat the this is an Em project/D12 thing?

I do agree with this album not really establishing a sound or personality for the group. The whole thing sounded random to me. Good but random. And Em constantly saying "Hip Hop needs this" was overhyping. Hip Hop already has this.

[Man1x]

^ Hip-Hop already has MORE than this.

[EminemBase]

you never took me up on my offer of blatantly disregarding traditional listening methods of an albums and simply create YOUR version of the album. I gave you that thread and you ddnt post or even comment on it and i assumed that meant you wanted to listen to it top to bottom as the artist intended. When i do that, i get bored and my ears clang and i get angry. When i put on any of my three playlists, i have an amazing hour of music.

But then that defeats the point of it

I don't want to have to re-arrange albums; I want a cohesive project that I hear as the artist(s) intends, and for forethought to be put in to that. Which it has been with this album.

So, if the album doesn't work on how it's presented, it's failed.

I wouldn't see a bad movie then start re-arranging the scenes.

And irrespective of sequencing; it doesn't change the songs. My disappointment with the album was not its sequencing or the structure; I didn't find the songs individually amazing but find the album lacked coherency (like Recovery maybe). I found the songs individually lacking.

It's the fundamentals that are amiss; as that reviewer clearly points out, and I agree with a lot of what he says, he gets it spot-on. And also echoes what I said about SH fans in particular wanting to like it so bad that they start justifying it and trying to kid themselves.

I want to like it, but I'm not a self-deceiver. And the album isn't awful, but let's not pretend it's something it's not, or better than it is, because we want SH to be good. Royce has already said he cares what the people think (even though he contradicted himself and said it's just an opinion... ) - so if you want them to win, and get better; knowing that Royce will take in to account what people are saying: how about some honesty? nobody has the balls to be truly honest.

Everybody is afraid of looking different or, wanting to make sure they have the 'right' view about something (particularly hip-hop fans). You mess around with the album as much as you like to convince yourself it's better than it is, you've already said you were disappointed. I've listened to it over, and over, and over and the coherence of it actually isn't bad. It's just not a special album.

[EminemBase]

^ Hip-Hop already has MORE than this.

Yep.

Yeah and good catch by the guy saying hip-hop is already lyrical; it's also becoming more consciously artistic and aesthetically aware lately too, thanks a lot to Kanye.

Which is just one guy who is lyrical, and thrilling, and at the very forefront of hip-hop right now. There's tons of great lyricists rapping right now, all with a shitload more charisma than everybody in SH combined. SH can rhyme their asses off but their subject-matter is so redundant.

There's much higher quality hip-hop out there, even in the main, main stream.

[Emadyville]

I've listened to it over, and over, and over and the coherence of it actually isn't bad. It's just not a special album.

I've heard about 2 thirds of the album and this is exactly how I'd describe it. It's not that its bad, its dope in a lot of ways but its not something that will raise eyebrows and be remembered in 10 years, which i expected.

[12characters]

^ Hip-Hop already has MORE than this.

Yep.

Yeah and good catch by the guy saying hip-hop is already lyrical; it's also becoming more consciously artistic and aesthetically aware lately too, thanks a lot to Kanye.

Which is just one guy who is lyrical, and thrilling, and at the very forefront of hip-hop right now. There's tons of great lyricists rapping right now, all with a shitload more charisma than everybody in SH combined. SH can rhyme their asses off but their subject-matter is so redundant.

There's much higher quality hip-hop out there, even in the main, main stream.

Really? I know of one or two like Kanye or maybe Jay-Z. (Tech N9ne?)
In the mainstream, anyway.

Underground, I've never heard anyone with "a shitload more charisma".

[EminemBase]

Really? I know of one or two like Kanye or maybe Jay-Z. (Tech N9ne?)
In the mainstream, anyway.

Underground, I've never heard anyone with "a shitload more charisma".

B.o.B, Big Boi, Kanye, Kendrick, Pharoahe Monch, Yela, and more.

[12characters]

Really? I know of one or two like Kanye or maybe Jay-Z. (Tech N9ne?)
In the mainstream, anyway.

Underground, I've never heard anyone with "a shitload more charisma".

B.o.B, Big Boi, Kanye, Kendrick, Pharoahe Monch, Yela, and more.

Big Boi really? No offense to him because I love his music, but I really don't see him with "a shitload more charisma". In fact, he's probably one of the more dull rappers out there (yet still great). Same goes with K.Dot.

I'll give you Ye and Monch, but I don't see where you're coming from when you say B.o.B is a great lyricist when comparing him to Slaughterhouse or when you say Yela has more charisma then all of them combined.

[BumShiv]

Royce said the album is in 2nd behind tim mcgraw or something like that. LETS GET IT TO NUMBER 1

[EminemBase]

Really? I know of one or two like Kanye or maybe Jay-Z. (Tech N9ne?)
In the mainstream, anyway.

Underground, I've never heard anyone with "a shitload more charisma".

B.o.B, Big Boi, Kanye, Kendrick, Pharoahe Monch, Yela, and more.

Big Boi really? No offense to him because I love his music, but I really don't see him with "a shitload more charisma". In fact, he's probably one of the more dull rappers out there (yet still great). Same goes with K.Dot.

"Shutterbug" > "My Life".

Big Boi is a real creative; he's got a natural, effortless charisma. He's not my favourite rapper, and he's not massively energetic, but he is engaging.

I'll give you Ye and Monch, but I don't see where you're coming from when you say B.o.B is a great lyricist when comparing him to Slaughterhouse or when you say Yela has more charisma then all of them combined.

Really?

There's more substance in the opening verse to "Bombs Away" than the first four songs of welcome to: OUR HOUSE.

B.o.B is an extremely good lyricist; he's able to bob and weave in and out of character and cadences; his voice and delivery are very charismatic and his potential maturity in some of his writing... is way beyond what SH are capable of artistically.

B.o.B's ideas and expansive thinking are just... so beyond Royce or Joell; they're all very limited in SH. They can rap their asses off, technically speaking; and there's a real artist in Joe and Crooked is a machine, we know this. But that doesn't make them great artists.

There's nothing to most of their raps, content-wise. It's flat.

And yes Yela has way way more dimensions to him than SH also. Arena Rap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SH's career. Yela has the potential to be an immortal kind of legendary artist, I can sense it; and the way he talks about music, his appreciation of multiple genres... there's a lot of shades to his ideas, his lyricism. Yep, Yela is more charismatic by far.

Both B.o.B and Yela are fun to listen to. And even though all the albums from both have been let-downs for me; they are still very enjoyable or have very enjoyable moments and a lot of merit. There's no comparison for me; SH are dull and limited. And they are just so not the top of the food chain lyrically; they may be able to pack more multies in bars but that doesn't make their lyrics the best; their lyrics are very repetitive and simple (in tone and ideas).

[momentsgolden]

But then that defeats the point of it

You are thinking of the album as a painting, i think of it as an art gallery. The artist has full creative control on the painting, they have the colours and the shades and the vision of how they want to see that particular picture come out. Its blank, they have as much freedom as possible. But an art gallery is limited by space, by lighting, by furniture arrangements, by the number of people who want to visit it. By trying to make a living. Its on record that Leonardo was not particularly happy with the Mona Lisa but if you were to create a gallery for any paintings it would take the place of pride in the centre!!

Slaughterhouse did not go in like Dre and Eminem to produce an album. To them, they went in to produce songs. That is why they flew in different producers. That is why they handed in 40 songs to Interscope. That is why they had disagreements on song selections and singles. Probably why Joe Budden made Gone. Its not like they did not like most of the records they recorded. Its because for whatever reason what each could have like ddnt make the album.

Joell is on record saying that one of the most depressing parts about it was discovering that Monsters in my Head had already been sold and therefore could not make the album. I can imagine that being a problem too with Tears of Joy. Weightscale and Juggernauts. Some of the producers they wanted could not be part of the record (See Khalil). Sometimes they had to do the "package deal" (see Alex da Kid and Skylar Grey). They also did not know themselves what the final tracklist was as it was a war caused by industry bullshit. (see scrapped Arabmuzik tracks)

So, in short, no. This is not the best Slaughterhouse could make, its the best Slaughterhouse could give you. And if i can create my own collage and enjoy it? why the fuck not...

[12characters]

Embase, you quoted that wrong

Shutterbug is great for it's unique sound though, not his charisma (as effortless as it may be).

Sure there's more substance in Bombs Away than the first four songs of WT:OH, but there's also songs with great substance on that same album as well as songs with almost no substance on B.o.B's album. That'd be like me comparing Rescuing Me to Strange Clouds or Ray Bands. They have their moments of wit and creativity, even if it's not as remarkable as someone as B.o.B or any of the other guys mentioned. I acknowledge B.o.B as a good lyricist because of his content, but it's really not like every song is innovative and his rhyming/metaphors/word choice aren't as consistent as Slaughterhouse.

Yela on the other hand is a much more innovative rapper than them. I get that. He's also great when it comes to charisma... so is Royce. I actually prefer Royce's hook making ability over Yela's as well as his natural voice. Budden also has a great voice as monotone as it may be. Individually, I would say Yela's charisma is more versatile than any of them. Combined? No. Royce's versatility mixed with Budden's unique sound alone >>> Yela in charisma. That's not counting Joell when he does that fierce sounding voice he has, or Crooked I "on a good day" so to speak.

Why are we even talking about artist potential or Yela's appreciation for other genres? I was saying that Slaughterhouse are great lyricist and there's not a lot of people better than them in that department while having SO much more charisma. I'm not discussing the perfect artist with you, nor the most innovative. Lyricism is more than just creativity, just like it's more than just "da multyz". It's a combination and I think Slaughterhouse has a solid mixture. Especially for mainstream artists.

[TRShitty]

OF COURSE people here listen to BoB.

OF COURSE they do.

LOL