Who is better in terms of ´Flow´ Eminem or B.I.G ?

[psu24]

lol yet you post nothing that disproves my point. Every single guy listed above are/were better than Big Sean, J Cole, Lil Wayne, Drake, Rick Ross, Wiz Khalifa, and w/e other bullshit rapper you want to name.

[Nimation]

Eminem. His flow from 99-02 was

goddamm yall stans piss me off

his flow in 1999 (slim shady lp) was generic as shit and sounded like 100 other rappers back then

2000-2002 (a span which only includes 2 albums and a few odd songs) it was unique, yea


he couldnt fuck with biggies flow, at all, listen to biggies victory verses, picture eminem rapping 2 verses on that song, would he have been better? i doubt it

personally i even think lloyd banks > eminem flow-wise, but that opinion will pull hate here

shit just because you like a rapper doesnt mean you have to think hes the best at everything

He just stated his own opinion. nothing to get mad about,

[Emadyville]

I prefer em more but i can't really say cause im biased as hell

[Squiggles123]

B.I.G. would get shit on by todays elite. And that's because he should. You need to be able to pick up where predecessors left off to progress in anything.

The greatest of our current time needed to build off where those before them left off by growing up listening to their music (which is a product of what came before that person/people)

You don't get an Em without a Biggie the same way you don't get a Michio Kaku without an Einstein, and due to that it's unfair to compare them.

This. Nice Michio Kaku reference haha.

Biggie set a precedent and was groundbreaking, so did Eminem, but in a different way. This question is funny thing to ask on an Eminem forum though, never going to be unbiased.

Juicy>Lose Yourself
Lose Yourself>Juicy

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[LIL_B]

Lose yourself no doubt. juicy isnt all that tbh

[Squiggles123]

Lose yourself no doubt. juicy isnt all that tbh

I love both songs and I tend to agree with you but I wouldn't say its a hands down vote.

Juicy was a bit before its time and every lyric is perfect in that song imo.

[Slim Fiasco]

Eminem. His flow from 99-02 was

goddamm yall stans piss me off

his flow in 1999 (slim shady lp) was generic as shit and sounded like 100 other rappers back then

2000-2002 (a span which only includes 2 albums and a few odd songs) it was unique, yea


he couldnt fuck with biggies flow, at all, listen to biggies victory verses, picture eminem rapping 2 verses on that song, would he have been better? i doubt it

personally i even think lloyd banks > eminem flow-wise, but that opinion will pull hate here

shit just because you like a rapper doesnt mean you have to think hes the best at everything

I don't think that he's the best at everything and this isn't the YouTube comment section you 14 year old close-minded fuck. If I prefer Em's flow that doesn't mean that Biggie's was bad, and considering you think Em's flow was generic as shit I shouldn't even acknowledge your opinion because it's pretty clear how much you know about flows and delivery. But I will give you an answer anyway.

First of all, Em has changed the flow on every album and even though it sucks on some projects (such as Recovery) it is still a respectful fit. Biggie sounds the same on most of his tracks, and while he changed his intonation with excellence on the first album, he was fairly lazy on Life After Death and basically sounds the same on every track other than Notorious Thugs.

Eminem's flow when he came up was far from generic and he sounded like nobody else. Feel free to post a song/artist that shows me otherwise (yet alone 100). Em's enunciation and breath control was remarkable during those years and from 00-02 there were actually 3 albums - MMLP, Devil's Night and TES.

Biggie could never pull a flow that includes rapid-fire rhymes and was usually making pauses at every couplet, and his fast flow on Notorious Thugs is laughable in comparison to Em's on Forgot About Dre (and that's just one example). Em was also great at incorporating different voices for different characters, and could go as far as doing some serious acting while rapping like in Kim. Can you picture Biggie doing something like that? Yeah, me neither. Em also has plenty of songs with a liquid-like flow, like in Renegade. Biggie could never do that either. And that Victory beat is actually more fitting for Em's voice, he would have killed that.

Eminem was able to sound vicious and to sound like speaking and flowing in the same time, which made his flow more impressive and conversational. He was also great with adding melody to his voice like on the Watcher freestyle or Cleaning Out My Closet. And again, he changed his delivery with excellence. He sounds like a different person from SSLP to TES.

I am very eager to hear your response to this, and I know it's hard to believe, but we can actually agree to disagree and I have no problems if you feel differently than me. YouTube comments don't allow this many characters, but here you can actually write more than "His flow was generic as shit" which tells me absolutely nothing (other than the fact that you're close-minded and ignorant). Here, I can try it, Biggie's flow was generic as shit... Wow

[Squiggles123]

Anyone -- TysSUN, JorDUN, JackSUN
acSHUN, pack guns, ridiculous

My mind is blown. Only from this do I now know that Jay-Z used that line in, N****s in Paris.

EDIT:

Also, you shouldn't pick a line out of a hip hop song as an example of bad rhyming like that. Whole verses yes, but every rapper has terrible lines, even in great verses/songs.

[Kill You]

Eminem has more variety in his flows than Biggie did: FACT. Biggie REALLY did sound the same on almost every song. Albeit he sounded smooth as fuck, still...you gotta be ignorant as fuck to make a statement like that, Exzibit.

[Slim Fiasco]

Flow and delivery go hand in hand though, and the terms usually entail each other (just like the terms beat and instrumental, or rap and hip-hop do). What matters about how an MC sounds is the whole package, and it's the combination of the way you stay on beat and the way you change the melody of your voice that makes the difference. With that in mind, Eminem was the best sounding MC ever in that period.

But even if we speak on the flow/rhythm patterns specifically, he was still impressive and versatile. I love how he was being fast without going double time and still maintaining perfect enunciation (see, delivery and flow overlap). And every time he would change his voice he was changing the flow pattern so the arguments remain the same, because they're applicable to both points of view.

As for his flow on Infinite, it was bad but I had specifically stated "from 99-02".

Edit: And lyrics do matter, because the way you place the lines and the syllables dictates how and when will you take a break and that influences the breath-control, and whether you'll be able to execute the flow/intonation patters that you have in mind i.e. whether they would come of right.

[Nimation]

“Shady I don’t understand your flow”, understand my flow? Bitch, I flow like Troy Polamalu’s hair boy
Don’t you dare try to follow or compare boy...

[tadpole25]

Notorious B.I.G. is very overrated. Yeah, he's good, but he doesn't have a great flow. He just has cheek fat that adds a bass effect to his voice. Eminem is better than BIG in flow, in my opinion.

As for best flow of all time,
Andre 3000 (followed by Rakim and Illmatic Nas)

[EminemInsider]

Any doofus can ride a beat. The rappers who think of cadences others wouldn't...the ones who cut through the beat to the point where it's like they're talking to you...those are the ones who are the professionals.

You listen to Eminem or Nas or Jay-Z (back when he didn't suck), the difference is obvious. They're blending voice acting with the beat.

This is one of the main reasons the KOTD guys don't make music anybody really gives a shit about. They won't go outside the box, they just want to rap.

On the other hand, Mac Lethal figured out that he had to do something different, which is why he took off.

Biggie...he basically had one basic intonation/style that he used on every song. Boring.

[SliK]

^Rakim has a great flow!

[Eedee]

^ That example of Em's lines of "No Love" are stupid. It's called his FLOW on that song. The lines don't necessarily have to end anywhere, that's just the way you write them to fit your argument. Besides, nobody said ANYTHING about rhymes spilling over into the next line or whatever.

Moreover, the Recovery booklet has the lyrics listed like this:

I'm alive again, more alive than I have been in my whole entire life I can,
See those people's ears perk up as I begin
To spaz with the pen, I'm a little bit sicker than, most, shit's finna get thick again.

If you listen to the song, he pauses after each bar the way it's officially written. But then again, I guess you really didn't do your research when typing up your argument. Shame.

Your propositions are false therefore your argument is invalid.