Tbh, I don't think Em's really creative

[Blu]

Yeah, he came out with Relapse, where he had the whole serial killer attitude...but that doesn't take much effort to think of and work with.

There are some songs where Em used his creative brain, but other than that I don't think he has what it takes to really create a song that will astonish the listener (as of today).

I might be the only one who feels this way...idk, opinions?

[EminemBase]

Do you just mean lately?

Em is creative as fuck. I think maybe you mean his subject-matter or approach is sometimes limited? Em's one of the most creative artists in music I've ever seen. And even today, he's so creative with his pen when he's on-point. And can still pull off a great concept or storytelling.

Nah Em is definitely creative, as hell, I just wish he had a bigger scope and came up with more concepts right now. Even with Relapse, the attention to detail and style in itself is very creatively done, regardless of what you think of the subject-matter, it's very inventive and brilliant.

[dark456]

This guy !!! Is it trolling season ? Ok then...

[Blu]

Do you just mean lately?

Em is creative as fuck. I think maybe you mean his subject-matter or approach is sometimes limited? Em's one of the most creative artists in music I've ever seen. And even today, he's so creative with his pen when he's on-point. And can still pull off a great concept or storytelling.

Nah Em is definitely creative, as hell, I just wish he had a bigger scope and came up with more concepts right now. Even with Relapse, the attention to detail and style in itself is very creatively done, regardless of what you think of the subject-matter, it's very inventive and brilliant.

I think it's the recent material he's been pushing out. None of it has really made me go WOW like his old work used to...

I mean yeah, some of his recent work definitely required some creativity, but it was nothing spectacular.

[Blu]

dark wtf man, don't spam my threads. smh.

[EminemBase]

Do you just mean lately?

Em is creative as fuck. I think maybe you mean his subject-matter or approach is sometimes limited? Em's one of the most creative artists in music I've ever seen. And even today, he's so creative with his pen when he's on-point. And can still pull off a great concept or storytelling.

Nah Em is definitely creative, as hell, I just wish he had a bigger scope and came up with more concepts right now. Even with Relapse, the attention to detail and style in itself is very creatively done, regardless of what you think of the subject-matter, it's very inventive and brilliant.

Well he's running out of life issues to talk about, so I fully expect him to be using his creative mind to the fullest on this next LP.

Exactly, this is why I'm glad that he used his pill thing for two albums in a row, as I really don't think he's gonna even refer to it much now, other than through self-deprecation...

And in terms of his life before that, he's HAMMERED it, and again don't think he'll go backwards to that, and hopefully Kanye has inspired him in some directions too... so, yeah; given his latest verses, the fact he's sober and focused, has gotten a chance to gauge the response to Recovery from fans and critics - I have a good feeling, I think he's cooking up something lethal.

[EminemBase]

Do you just mean lately?

Em is creative as fuck. I think maybe you mean his subject-matter or approach is sometimes limited? Em's one of the most creative artists in music I've ever seen. And even today, he's so creative with his pen when he's on-point. And can still pull off a great concept or storytelling.

Nah Em is definitely creative, as hell, I just wish he had a bigger scope and came up with more concepts right now. Even with Relapse, the attention to detail and style in itself is very creatively done, regardless of what you think of the subject-matter, it's very inventive and brilliant.

I think it's the recent material he's been pushing out. None of it has really made me go WOW like his old work used to...

I mean yeah, some of his recent work definitely required some creativity, but it was nothing spectacular.

Ah I disagree there.

When I first heard Relapse, I was blown away and intruiged with the intricacy of his rhymes and flows, and tore that album apart for weeks, and I think his style and execution on that album is definitely spectacular, that style is so tailored and focused...

Then, with Recovery, I was really blown away by some tracks again, and the rapping on every track is pretty fantastic. I think if you compare either to say The Marshall Mathers LP or have the 'Eminem expectations' of totally head-fuck, fuck the world up, groundbreaking kinda shit then it pales a little, but if you hear it by itself, I think he's created some amazing material.

"Stay Wide Awake", "Almost Famous", "Space Bound", all these and more are pretty spectacular to me. I think I know what you mean, and I've been vying for something truly bigger, and more original, but he at least crafted some stories and concepts on Recovery, so I think that'll remain to be his progression, I think he's getting more creative as he goes now.

Also, I think because we're so used to him, his thoughts, his humour, his styles and what he does, we take some of his amazing shit for granted. This was evident to me when my dad's friend who's like a metal head and really critical music fan and about 50 years old listened to Encore, and he thinks it's a brilliant album. And it's the only Em album he's heard; to us it's dung because it's not up to his standards, and uneven, but to somebody who has never heard Eminem, rap, ever, and what they're normally used to, and they hear that... it's a very unusual and new thing to them.

Imagine if Recovery was Em's first album, and you heard "Cold Wind Blows", and "Space Bound" and "Cinderella Man" for the first time ever, no expectations, no perceptions; I think you'd be totally blown away, I would, and I was even being a seasoned Em listener. But imagine you had no prior experience in hearing him, I do think we take a lot for granted. And I don't mean you should logically impress yourself more by thinking like that lmao, I mean I think we have no choice but to take things for granted because we're so seasoned in to hearing him that it gets harder and harder for him to amaze or surprise us in many ways too, and we already have so many preconceptions etc.

[EminemBase]

Speaking of Almost Famous, it might have a sequel. He left it off perfectly to do one. "He's finally famous". Maybe he could do a story telling song about how fame isn't all it's cracked up to be, and how he struggles with it. I suppose it'd be kind of re-hashing the lyrics from various other songs, but it'd be more entertaining imo if it was presented in the way Almost Famous was. 3rd person story telling as if he's watching it take place.

I think he's covered that theme 'fame is a fucker' way too much man, he already talked about it a ton on every other album, I think he needs to get off the 'mememememe' vibe he's always on.

[Relapse.]

Speaking of Almost Famous, it might have a sequel. He left it off perfectly to do one. "He's finally famous". Maybe he could do a story telling song about how fame isn't all it's cracked up to be, and how he struggles with it. I suppose it'd be kind of re-hashing the lyrics from various other songs, but it'd be more entertaining imo if it was presented in the way Almost Famous was. 3rd person story telling as if he's watching it take place.

:O
Almost Famous
Be Careful What You Wish For
Infinite (album)

He's the greatest genius to ever exist in universe.

[EminemBase]

Speaking of Almost Famous, it might have a sequel. He left it off perfectly to do one. "He's finally famous". Maybe he could do a story telling song about how fame isn't all it's cracked up to be, and how he struggles with it. I suppose it'd be kind of re-hashing the lyrics from various other songs, but it'd be more entertaining imo if it was presented in the way Almost Famous was. 3rd person story telling as if he's watching it take place.

I think he's covered that theme 'fame is a fucker' way too much man, he already talked about it a ton on every other album, I think he needs to get off the 'mememememe' vibe he's always on.

He is ALWAYS gonna be 'mememememememe'. He always has been, he always will be.

Not really.

The Slim Shady LP he was in-character throughout nearly every track; he's part Em, part Shady but it's themes of fiction and creative lyricism, he's the guy performing but it ain't all himhimhim, he's making social-commentary, he creates concepts, he tells stories; he does use a lot of things from his life to base the material on, but a very creative album, with themes.

Then you got The Marshall Mathers LP which is an ingenious concept album and is chock-full of social commentary and political themes, directly and indirectly related to his work, but again, he looks outside of himself, he comments, he draws inspiration from the real world...

The Eminem Show is 'memememe' and so is Encore, it was really at that point he became the totally self-obsessed artist we think of him as, he tried to intentionally move away from that and go back to just creating with Relapse, but people didn't like it so he caved and did more 'mememe' with Recovery, but he still created some new concepts, and rapped in character, so he's showing signs that he's capable of being original again, without having to rely on his life.

[Blu]

Maybe because it's not his solo work.

Wait until he drops a solo song to judge.

I AM talking about his solo work, Recovery for example.

Nothing on that album really made me go "WOW!"

[EminemBase]

Maybe because it's not his solo work.

Wait until he drops a solo song to judge.

I AM talking about his solo work, Recovery for example.

Nothing on that album really made me go "WOW!"

"Almost Famous" didn't make you go wow?

[Blu]

Maybe because it's not his solo work.

Wait until he drops a solo song to judge.

I AM talking about his solo work, Recovery for example.

Nothing on that album really made me go "WOW!"

"Almost Famous" didn't make you go wow?

Not really...don't you think any other rapper could pull that off? It's songs like "Stan", "'97 Bonnie & Clyde", that make me go, "Wow, that took a lot of creativity and work to pull off." Ever since his comeback (Relapse included) it seems like his songs have been sorta lackluster in the creative department.

[EminemBase]

Not really...don't you think any other rapper could pull that off? It's songs like "Stan", "'97 Bonnie & Clyde", that make me go, "Wow, that took a lot of creativity and work to pull off." Ever since his comeback (Relapse included) it seems like his songs have been sorta lackluster in the creative department.

Any other rapper? haha, no. I can't even think of a rapper beside him that could pull it off like that, his writing and his flow are unique to him, and it's powerful, I don't know of another rapper right now where every line is so potent like that, and just the little details that make Em him, referring to himself in third person and just things like that which you take for granted when listening but which make him a true writer, and which a lot of rappers don't do much of.

Em flies through a barrage of techniques most don't even know or do.

It's certainly not as creative as say "97 Bonnie and Clyde" but most artists create their most amazing shit in their formative and prime years; but I still think he's created some incredible material that nobody else could do, and which is totally unique to him since his return.

But yes, I still think he can do better, with the ideas, and want more.

[Blu]

Not really...don't you think any other rapper could pull that off? It's songs like "Stan", "'97 Bonnie & Clyde", that make me go, "Wow, that took a lot of creativity and work to pull off." Ever since his comeback (Relapse included) it seems like his songs have been sorta lackluster in the creative department.

Any other rapper? haha, no. I can't even think of a rapper beside him that could pull it off like that, his writing and his flow are unique to him, and it's powerful, I don't know of another rapper right now where every line is so potent like that, and just the little details that make Em him, referring to himself in third person and just things like that which you take for granted when listening but which make him a true writer, and which a lot of rappers don't do much of. Em flies through a barrage of techniques.

Your admiration for Em's work is seriously on another level lol. I honestly don't know anyone else that's so delicate and precise when explaining Em's work.

I guess I just don't see it how you do, but hell...I'll re-listen to some of the songs off Recovery and see if my mind changes.