The Way I Am, is Incredible.

[Willy]

I found my old ipod so I've been listening to TES and prior... wowzers, he was a fucking beast. A lot of his freestyles were also incredible.., good ol' slim.

[_Hawk_]

I remember reading that Eminem said that he was in a plane, and had this piano loop in his head replaying over and over again, so then he went to one of the Bass brothers and hummed it for them, so they could play it on the piano.

This is exactly what happened, as Eminem explains in The Angry Blonde book.

You're wrong, Eminem didn't produce The Way I Am without them. Em himself says: 'I had Jeff [Bass] play the [piano] loop' once he had it worked out. Yes, Eminem went about making this track completely off his own back, but the Bass Brother's still had an influence (they should have been credited with at least assisting Em on tracks like these). Em may have had the beat in his head, but he can't play the piano. He NEEDS someone like Jeff Bass to play his thoughts out in order to make them tangible, which is why I said they deserve recognition.

Of course he can't play the piano

How is that relevant if he came up with THE MELODY.

Do you think Armani stitches his own suits?

It's about where the idea comes from. That tune, the basis for the music, is from his head. Take other rap producers who get much more acclaim, they don't even do that much.

If Em came up with the loop itself, Jeff is just playing that out. The creativity is from Em, the technical execution is from Jeff. But what's praised/relevant, is the creativity.

He did however say he produced it on his own. I am quoting what HE said, so if he didn't, then Em is wrong. I didn't make that up, so don't tell me.

Many directors don't hold or operate the cameras, or execute the editing - but they're the brains behind the directions, the ideas aka the source of the creativity.

ALL producers have assistance - Dr. Dre often gets credited when all he does is let studio musicians come up with directions independently and then focuses in when he hears something. Of all the producers who get too much credit, I think Em is the most deserving of the credit he does get, since very few come up with original melodies and arrange things like he does. Even Luis Resto who helped produce "Lose Yourself" said "Em has symphonies in his head".

They deserve recognition yes, and they often get it. People know Eminem is not an instrumentalist, but if the melody is ALL from him, he deserves nearly all the credit. He didn't get all the credit on "Lose Yourself" for example, Jeff is credited with that bass line.

If the melody is from Em, then no they didn't have an influence, they're simply responding to what he's thinking; playing out what is entirely in HIS head.

Armani doesn't stitch his own suits, but he can draw the plans for the stitcher's to follow. What part of that process, which is incomparable to this, do you not understand?

You're wrong, they have had an influence on the track. How is Em to know the exact notes that his melody is playing? In interpreting what Eminem is humming to them, the Bass Brother's are influencing the nature of the beat. They are having an impact on the track.
Yes, it is Em's creation, but as I said originally they deserve the recognition for that. If I told an artist a concept for a drawing and he drew it, who's work would it be? The artist would quite obviously get the recognition for executing it if it proved successful. And the chances are it wouldn't end up completely the same as I imagined. It would have his own artistic twist, in the same way that the Bass Brother's would be playing around with Em's melody until it sounded right to him.

There are so many ways of looking at it, but the bottom line is that Eminem is wrong when he said the track was solely his in the making (it had support), and that - as I originally said - the Bass Brother's deserve recognition for assisting Eminem. Aside from Eminem's fans they are not well known.
I agree that the melody is genius, but it's lost if it can't be made into something tangible.

You're diverging away from what I originally said, Eminembase. You originally said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them. I was telling you how you were wrong. Thank you.

[EminemBase]

You're diverging away from what I originally said, Eminembase. You originally said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them. I was telling you how you were wrong. Thank you.

Nope I'm not.

As I said, EM SAID THAT. So if that's wrong, Em is wrong. I'm going by what he said trusting that he's being honest, I don't know how that beat got made, I only know what he said.

And yes if say, an artist drew an idea; that's different though; where as with a melody - a melody is very definite, THEY know what notes to play to create his melody, but they can't choose from infinite notes, they're restricted to the limitations of a pianist to replicate his exact melody. If they simply copy what he's humming, it's almost entirely Em's creation.

Thank you and you're welcome.

[sbolli1]

One of his most brutally honest songs ever. Fucking love it.

[SoldierShady]

Yep. Em has some of the meanest production skills I've ever seen. Still hoping he starts producing again on his new album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpoeM8Kcqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKK5HMfJZzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0euvAMg2tjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0jj2ToCcVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Gi9IOXp_Q <--This should've been used tbfh!

[EminemBase]

Yep. Em has some of the meanest production skills I've ever seen. Still hoping he starts producing again on his new album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpoeM8Kcqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKK5HMfJZzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0euvAMg2tjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0jj2ToCcVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Gi9IOXp_Q <--This should've been used tbfh!

That Cashis beat is fucking nice. Fail @ people who say 'all Em's beats sound alike' too. Yeah, that beat sounds so much like "Say Goodbye to Hollywood" or "Square Dance".

The only thing his beats have in common is that the music seems well spaced out in them, there's always a definitive, actual, structure or flow to the music unlike say Alex Da Kid where his shit just sounds like a huge mess. I hope to fuck, and I really do think... Em will produce on his next one, I reckon he was practicing on SH, Yela, BME EP etc. by overseeing and honing it.

[_Hawk_]

You're diverging away from what I originally said, Eminembase. You originally said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them. I was telling you how you were wrong. Thank you.

Nope I'm not.

As I said, EM SAID THAT. So if that's wrong, Em is wrong. I'm going by what he said trusting that he's being honest, I don't know how that beat got made, I only know what he said.

And yes if say, an artist drew an idea; that's different though; where as with a melody - a melody is very definite, THEY know what notes to play to create his melody, but they can't choose from infinite notes, they're restricted to the limitations of a pianist to replicate his exact melody. If they simply copy what he's humming, it's almost entirely Em's creation.

Thank you and you're welcome.

Prove to me where Em said he made the beat without them, when I have given evidence of him saying he used the technical skills of Jeff Bass.

Exactly. You can't.

What Eminem actually said was: "'The Way I Am' was one of the few tracks that I did completely by myself". I disagree with this statement on the basis that he had inside assistance, but he is right in suggesting that it was made completely off his own back, top to bottom. It's an ambiguous statement.

[EminemBase]

You're diverging away from what I originally said, Eminembase. You originally said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them. I was telling you how you were wrong. Thank you.

Nope I'm not.

As I said, EM SAID THAT. So if that's wrong, Em is wrong. I'm going by what he said trusting that he's being honest, I don't know how that beat got made, I only know what he said.

And yes if say, an artist drew an idea; that's different though; where as with a melody - a melody is very definite, THEY know what notes to play to create his melody, but they can't choose from infinite notes, they're restricted to the limitations of a pianist to replicate his exact melody. If they simply copy what he's humming, it's almost entirely Em's creation.

Thank you and you're welcome.

Prove to me where Em said he made the beat without them, when I have given evidence of him saying he used the technical skills of Jeff Bass.

Exactly. You can't.

What Eminem actually said was: "'The Way I Am' was one of the few tracks that I did completely by myself". I disagree with this statement on the basis that he had inside assistance, but he is right in suggesting that it was made completely off his own back, top to bottom. It's an ambiguous statement.

But at no point did I say Em did say he played the piano

I said he said, he made it by himself, what you have just quoted there. So no I am not wrong in what he said, he may have been inaccurate or not complete in HIS statement, but I was not incorrect. I said Em said he made it by himself. And he did say that.

I am well aware, as I think are most here, that Eminem does not play the piano. The fact he had musicians (Bass brothers or not) to create the actual music, is assumed, since he did not sample. That's obvious and implied. But the melody, is his, the beat, is his.

[_Hawk_]

Nope I'm not.

As I said, EM SAID THAT. So if that's wrong, Em is wrong. I'm going by what he said trusting that he's being honest, I don't know how that beat got made, I only know what he said.

And yes if say, an artist drew an idea; that's different though; where as with a melody - a melody is very definite, THEY know what notes to play to create his melody, but they can't choose from infinite notes, they're restricted to the limitations of a pianist to replicate his exact melody. If they simply copy what he's humming, it's almost entirely Em's creation.

Thank you and you're welcome.

Prove to me where Em said he made the beat without them, when I have given evidence of him saying he used the technical skills of Jeff Bass.

Exactly. You can't.

What Eminem actually said was: "'The Way I Am' was one of the few tracks that I did completely by myself". I disagree with this statement on the basis that he had inside assistance, but he is right in suggesting that it was made completely off his own back, top to bottom. It's an ambiguous statement.

But at no point did I say Em did say he played the piano

I said he said, he made it by himself, what you have just quoted there. So no I am not wrong in what he said, he may have been inaccurate or not complete in HIS statement, but I was not incorrect. I said Em said he made it by himself. And he did say that.

I am well aware, as I think are most here, that Eminem does not play the piano. The fact he had musicians (Bass brothers or not) to create the actual music, is assumed, since he did not sample. That's obvious and implied. But the melody, is his, the beat, is his.

Nope. You said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them.

here:

And, "The Way I Am" was produced without them.

That is where I said you were wrong. 100% wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

[EminemBase]

Nope. You said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them.

here:

And, "The Way I Am" was produced without them.

That is where I said you were wrong. 100% wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Nope, I said:

"And, "The Way I Am" was produced without them. It was the first beat he produced completely 'on his own' (from the words of his mouth), and it's credited just to him."

'was produced without them', piggying off of HIS statement, hence saying 'from the words of his mouth' in the latter part of that statement.

The song production is credited to him. And Eminem did say, by himself. He didn't mention the Bass Bros when he said that, so no I am not wrong in what he said. He did say that.

They probably normally assist in the actual creation of the beat other than playing the melody, or help him put it together, or come up with elements themselves. And in songs like that, such as "Lose Yourself", they get credited. With that they didn't because the melody was all Em.

So no I am right, right right right.

It's implied he had someone PLAY the instruments, that's OBVIOUS. Because he doesn't play the piano. I shouldn't have to say that, that's like me stating he didn't play the guitar in the "Sing for the Moment" sample. Obvious, statement is obvious.

[EminemBase]

EmBase, check this out.

8:55 in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIz1R-hykU&list=UL

That's one of my favourite performances of it in recent times. Both guitarists get involved and when he goes down on his knees at the end, you can tell he's really into the song. It's pretty powerful.

Yeah that's pretty badass. Hope to fuck he goes back to stripped down beats with live instruments, see: MMLP. The music sounds sooooo much better.

That melodic hopping shit he does in time with the beat is badass too.

[_Hawk_]

That is where I said you were wrong. 100% wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Wow...you really get off on the fact that you're right and someone else is wrong, don't you? This isn't the first time I've seen you do that.

No, I'm supporting myself here when a little girl is trying to defend herself in all manner of ways. I said a statement was wrong and I proved it.

@ Embase: no, I'm sorry, but when Eminem said that in the book he went on to say that he had Jeff Bass play his melody out for him, hence supporting me when I say that Em was responsible for the creation of the track, but had assistance in making it.

The fact of the matter is that I said you were wrong in saying the Way I Am was produced without the Bass Brothers, because if you had continued to read the source where you are quoting Eminem from, you would see that he acknowledges that Jeff played a part in helping him.
Don't even try and worm your way out of this tunnel you are digging yourself.

Thank you

[Trimss]

EmBase, check this out.

8:55 in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIz1R-hykU&list=UL

That's one of my favourite performances of it in recent times. Both guitarists get involved and when he goes down on his knees at the end, you can tell he's really into the song. It's pretty powerful.

Yeah that's pretty badass. Hope to fuck he goes back to stripped down beats with live instruments, see: MMLP. The music sounds sooooo much better.

That melodic hopping shit he does in time with the beat is badass too.

His live performances got so much better though, his moves and presence on stage are a lot better now and even vocally, it's a lot better.

[Amaranthine]

Haha that performance..."I'm not Mr. N-Stink". Sick performance all the way around, I watched the whole thing.

[EminemBase]

The fact of the matter is that I said you were wrong in saying the Way I Am was produced without the Bass Brothers, because if you had continued to read the source where you are quoting Eminem from, you would see that he acknowledges that Jeff played a part in helping him.
Don't even try and worm your way out of this tunnel you are digging yourself.

Thank you

Actually I didn't read it from that book, I heard him say it. He said it in real life, and he just said "it was the first track I produced on my own". So no, I'm not wrong, Eminem did not mention them and that is the reference, I am referring to. Not the book.

'without them' implies without their influence. Them playing the melody he hums, is not their influence. "Lose Yourself" was WITH Jeff Bass because Jeff actually independently came up with music for it as well. WITHOUT implies without their musical input (as in inventing music for it), not without them playing an instrument. How else would the piano have been played

Thank you and you're welcome

No, I'm supporting myself here when a little girl is trying to defend herself in all manner of ways. I said a statement was wrong and I proved it.

You proved Eminem's statement was incomplete. Not that I was wrong. I wasn't in the studio when that beat was created.I was referring to what Eminem said. I didn't say no musicians were involved in creating the music, Eminem does not play the piano; so he would HAVE to have had someone else play it, obviously. I said 'without them', as the track is credited to just him, and he said 'by himself', so I was quoting those facts. So I'm still right.