The Way I Am, is Incredible.

[EminemBase]

Yep. Em has some of the meanest production skills I've ever seen. Still hoping he starts producing again on his new album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpoeM8Kcqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKK5HMfJZzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0euvAMg2tjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0jj2ToCcVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Gi9IOXp_Q <--This should've been used tbfh!

That Cashis beat is fucking nice. Fail @ people who say 'all Em's beats sound alike' too. Yeah, that beat sounds so much like "Say Goodbye to Hollywood" or "Square Dance".

The only thing his beats have in common is that the music seems well spaced out in them, there's always a definitive, actual, structure or flow to the music unlike say Alex Da Kid where his shit just sounds like a huge mess. I hope to fuck, and I really do think... Em will produce on his next one, I reckon he was practicing on SH, Yela, BME EP etc. by overseeing and honing it.

[_Hawk_]

You're diverging away from what I originally said, Eminembase. You originally said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them. I was telling you how you were wrong. Thank you.

Nope I'm not.

As I said, EM SAID THAT. So if that's wrong, Em is wrong. I'm going by what he said trusting that he's being honest, I don't know how that beat got made, I only know what he said.

And yes if say, an artist drew an idea; that's different though; where as with a melody - a melody is very definite, THEY know what notes to play to create his melody, but they can't choose from infinite notes, they're restricted to the limitations of a pianist to replicate his exact melody. If they simply copy what he's humming, it's almost entirely Em's creation.

Thank you and you're welcome.

Prove to me where Em said he made the beat without them, when I have given evidence of him saying he used the technical skills of Jeff Bass.

Exactly. You can't.

What Eminem actually said was: "'The Way I Am' was one of the few tracks that I did completely by myself". I disagree with this statement on the basis that he had inside assistance, but he is right in suggesting that it was made completely off his own back, top to bottom. It's an ambiguous statement.

[EminemBase]

You're diverging away from what I originally said, Eminembase. You originally said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them. I was telling you how you were wrong. Thank you.

Nope I'm not.

As I said, EM SAID THAT. So if that's wrong, Em is wrong. I'm going by what he said trusting that he's being honest, I don't know how that beat got made, I only know what he said.

And yes if say, an artist drew an idea; that's different though; where as with a melody - a melody is very definite, THEY know what notes to play to create his melody, but they can't choose from infinite notes, they're restricted to the limitations of a pianist to replicate his exact melody. If they simply copy what he's humming, it's almost entirely Em's creation.

Thank you and you're welcome.

Prove to me where Em said he made the beat without them, when I have given evidence of him saying he used the technical skills of Jeff Bass.

Exactly. You can't.

What Eminem actually said was: "'The Way I Am' was one of the few tracks that I did completely by myself". I disagree with this statement on the basis that he had inside assistance, but he is right in suggesting that it was made completely off his own back, top to bottom. It's an ambiguous statement.

But at no point did I say Em did say he played the piano

I said he said, he made it by himself, what you have just quoted there. So no I am not wrong in what he said, he may have been inaccurate or not complete in HIS statement, but I was not incorrect. I said Em said he made it by himself. And he did say that.

I am well aware, as I think are most here, that Eminem does not play the piano. The fact he had musicians (Bass brothers or not) to create the actual music, is assumed, since he did not sample. That's obvious and implied. But the melody, is his, the beat, is his.

[_Hawk_]

Nope I'm not.

As I said, EM SAID THAT. So if that's wrong, Em is wrong. I'm going by what he said trusting that he's being honest, I don't know how that beat got made, I only know what he said.

And yes if say, an artist drew an idea; that's different though; where as with a melody - a melody is very definite, THEY know what notes to play to create his melody, but they can't choose from infinite notes, they're restricted to the limitations of a pianist to replicate his exact melody. If they simply copy what he's humming, it's almost entirely Em's creation.

Thank you and you're welcome.

Prove to me where Em said he made the beat without them, when I have given evidence of him saying he used the technical skills of Jeff Bass.

Exactly. You can't.

What Eminem actually said was: "'The Way I Am' was one of the few tracks that I did completely by myself". I disagree with this statement on the basis that he had inside assistance, but he is right in suggesting that it was made completely off his own back, top to bottom. It's an ambiguous statement.

But at no point did I say Em did say he played the piano

I said he said, he made it by himself, what you have just quoted there. So no I am not wrong in what he said, he may have been inaccurate or not complete in HIS statement, but I was not incorrect. I said Em said he made it by himself. And he did say that.

I am well aware, as I think are most here, that Eminem does not play the piano. The fact he had musicians (Bass brothers or not) to create the actual music, is assumed, since he did not sample. That's obvious and implied. But the melody, is his, the beat, is his.

Nope. You said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them.

here:

And, "The Way I Am" was produced without them.

That is where I said you were wrong. 100% wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

[EminemBase]

Nope. You said: "The Way I Am" was produced without them.

here:

And, "The Way I Am" was produced without them.

That is where I said you were wrong. 100% wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Nope, I said:

"And, "The Way I Am" was produced without them. It was the first beat he produced completely 'on his own' (from the words of his mouth), and it's credited just to him."

'was produced without them', piggying off of HIS statement, hence saying 'from the words of his mouth' in the latter part of that statement.

The song production is credited to him. And Eminem did say, by himself. He didn't mention the Bass Bros when he said that, so no I am not wrong in what he said. He did say that.

They probably normally assist in the actual creation of the beat other than playing the melody, or help him put it together, or come up with elements themselves. And in songs like that, such as "Lose Yourself", they get credited. With that they didn't because the melody was all Em.

So no I am right, right right right.

It's implied he had someone PLAY the instruments, that's OBVIOUS. Because he doesn't play the piano. I shouldn't have to say that, that's like me stating he didn't play the guitar in the "Sing for the Moment" sample. Obvious, statement is obvious.

[EminemBase]

EmBase, check this out.

8:55 in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIz1R-hykU&list=UL

That's one of my favourite performances of it in recent times. Both guitarists get involved and when he goes down on his knees at the end, you can tell he's really into the song. It's pretty powerful.

Yeah that's pretty badass. Hope to fuck he goes back to stripped down beats with live instruments, see: MMLP. The music sounds sooooo much better.

That melodic hopping shit he does in time with the beat is badass too.

[_Hawk_]

That is where I said you were wrong. 100% wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Wow...you really get off on the fact that you're right and someone else is wrong, don't you? This isn't the first time I've seen you do that.

No, I'm supporting myself here when a little girl is trying to defend herself in all manner of ways. I said a statement was wrong and I proved it.

@ Embase: no, I'm sorry, but when Eminem said that in the book he went on to say that he had Jeff Bass play his melody out for him, hence supporting me when I say that Em was responsible for the creation of the track, but had assistance in making it.

The fact of the matter is that I said you were wrong in saying the Way I Am was produced without the Bass Brothers, because if you had continued to read the source where you are quoting Eminem from, you would see that he acknowledges that Jeff played a part in helping him.
Don't even try and worm your way out of this tunnel you are digging yourself.

Thank you

[Trimss]

EmBase, check this out.

8:55 in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIz1R-hykU&list=UL

That's one of my favourite performances of it in recent times. Both guitarists get involved and when he goes down on his knees at the end, you can tell he's really into the song. It's pretty powerful.

Yeah that's pretty badass. Hope to fuck he goes back to stripped down beats with live instruments, see: MMLP. The music sounds sooooo much better.

That melodic hopping shit he does in time with the beat is badass too.

His live performances got so much better though, his moves and presence on stage are a lot better now and even vocally, it's a lot better.

[Amaranthine]

Haha that performance..."I'm not Mr. N-Stink". Sick performance all the way around, I watched the whole thing.

[EminemBase]

The fact of the matter is that I said you were wrong in saying the Way I Am was produced without the Bass Brothers, because if you had continued to read the source where you are quoting Eminem from, you would see that he acknowledges that Jeff played a part in helping him.
Don't even try and worm your way out of this tunnel you are digging yourself.

Thank you

Actually I didn't read it from that book, I heard him say it. He said it in real life, and he just said "it was the first track I produced on my own". So no, I'm not wrong, Eminem did not mention them and that is the reference, I am referring to. Not the book.

'without them' implies without their influence. Them playing the melody he hums, is not their influence. "Lose Yourself" was WITH Jeff Bass because Jeff actually independently came up with music for it as well. WITHOUT implies without their musical input (as in inventing music for it), not without them playing an instrument. How else would the piano have been played

Thank you and you're welcome

No, I'm supporting myself here when a little girl is trying to defend herself in all manner of ways. I said a statement was wrong and I proved it.

You proved Eminem's statement was incomplete. Not that I was wrong. I wasn't in the studio when that beat was created.I was referring to what Eminem said. I didn't say no musicians were involved in creating the music, Eminem does not play the piano; so he would HAVE to have had someone else play it, obviously. I said 'without them', as the track is credited to just him, and he said 'by himself', so I was quoting those facts. So I'm still right.

[_Hawk_]

The Way I Am was not produced without the Bass Brothers.
THAT is FACT.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Can you please link me to this video?

I already acknowledged that Eminem was talking about his creation of the track when he says he solely produced it. The point I was making was that this is ambiguous as he had internal assistance/help. That is the fact.

I don't agree with the perspective that because a piano has to be played it negates the fact the player doesn't take an active part in the creation of the music.
The same way I believe Damien Hirst's technicians deserve recognition when creating his spot paintings.

The fact is the Bass Brothers helped make the track. It most definitely was not made without them which was the point of yours I was highlighting as wrong.

@Insanefaggot: I really don't give a fuck about your input here, the same way I continue to not give a fuck about how you're still at school or have a test the next day (which you seem to mention in every other post of yours). So run along and do your colouring you nosy little cunt. You continue to act like the childish-mistake-that-your-parents-wish-they'd-never-made-that-you-are. I'm betting your mum shat you out so she could leave her pussy free for the doctor to fuck.

[sbolli1]

wow, just drop it guys. Jesus Christ. Just accept that Em's a good producer, who cares about all the technicalities.

[Willy]

No offense to Insane but that last paragraph had me rollin'.

[EminemBase]

The Way I Am was not produced without the Bass Brothers.
THAT is FACT.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Can you please link me to this video?

I already acknowledged that Eminem was talking about his creation of the track when he says he solely produced it. The point I was making was that this is ambiguous as he had internal assistance/help. That is the fact.

I don't agree with the perspective that because a piano has to be played it negates the fact the player doesn't take an active part in the creation of the music.
The same way I believe Damien Hirst's technicians deserve recognition when creating his spot paintings.

The fact is the Bass Brothers helped make the track. It most definitely was not made without them which was the point of yours I was highlighting as wrong.

@Insanefaggot: I really don't give a fuck about your input here, the same way I continue to not give a fuck about how you're still at school or have a test the next day (which you seem to mention in every other post of yours). So run along and do your colouring you nosy little cunt. You continue to act like the childish-mistake-that-your-parents-wish-they'd-never-made-that-you-are. I'm betting your mum shat you out so she could leave her pussy free for the doctor to fuck.

What are you not getting here?

I'm not denying the Bass Brothers were involved

I am saying Eminem said he produced it alone, and did not add to that. That is true. I know that Jeff Bass played the piano, since Eminem does not play the piano, and at no point did I think he did, so quite obviously, I always knew SOMEBODY must have played it for him.

My point is, only Eminem's melodic input was relevant to this track. Jeff Bass did not come up with that melody, Eminem did. And the melody is the only thing that drives the track, and then he probably added the drums / did the rest himself. So that's probably what he meant by 'on his own'.

It wasn't 'my point' that Eminem made it without the Bass Bros, it was Eminem who said that and I was referring to that when I said it. Which is why I said 'out of his mouth'. They are not credited on the track's production, so quite obviously they did little but create exactly what Eminem, and only Eminem thought-up, and then Eminem made it and put it together himself.

[Blu]

Hawk, you are by far the dumbest member on this board.

Em had a melody, he went to the Bass Brothers and melodized the fucking melody, and they entered the melody in the piano.

The Bass Brothers NEVER went up to Eminem and suggested the melody for the song, they didn't suggest a single fucking thing. It was Eminem's creativity that led to the beat even being made possible. It doesn't even matter that the Bass Brothers helped him with the beat. He could have easily went up to any well known producer and paid them some money to get the melody on the beat.