8 Realistic Expectations for Em's next album

[EminemBase]

I think that's label influence. Put Beautiful, have to have the sad emotional personal Em so people can relate. Put Crack a bottle, have to have the club hit. Put We made you, have to have something for MTV.

I definitely think that's true about "Beautiful". I don't buy what Em said about putting it on there to 'remind himself' of that place. It's the song which is most like his older material on there, and an emotional track... the label need some singles and beyond "We Made You", everything else was psychotic or really harsh and fucked-up, they needed normal Em.

I also think Em may have done it like a kind of, decision for direction... as in, he put it there to see 'if they don't like the new stuff... will they like this', as I think he was initially planning to go that direction back in like 2007 with King Mathers, but then wanted to try something new with Relapse ; but when people didn't like it but liked "Beautiful" - that's the direction he took.

As if you look at Recovery, it's basically one giant template of "Beautiful". He raps differently, but he realized the majority wanted emotion and that big rock-tinged kind of sound, and that's exactly what Recovery is. So I think that song was like a back-up.

With "Crack a Bottle" that's just obvious as it was a #1, such a shame though.

I don't even mind "We Made You", as it still totally fits the album, it sounds absolutely right there and blends with the rest. Doesn't feel like a compromise, and the rapping is really good. And the production and the hook in fact, I quite like the song even on its own.

[LEVITIKUZ]

1. Tone Down The Flow

You can't understand what he's saying? You want him to stop being lyrically amazing in every verse? Great fucking idea.

2. More Original Concepts

Can't disagree.

3. Beats By Dre

Can't disagree.

4. More Adult Content

Can't disagree

5. Passing The Torch

Why? Em said he could rap till he's 50. The only one Em should past the torch to is Yela. Dre passed his torch to Kendrick, Jay passed his to J Cole, Kanye passed his to Big Sean, Snoop passed his to Wiz, DMX has passed his to MGK. Only person Em should pass his to is Yela.

6. Fewer Songs

The man hasn't put out a solo album in 3 years and an album in 2. Fuck fewer songs.

7. Decreased Label Influence

Em didn't have label influence in his last 2 albums. All the guest on Relapse were just Dre and 50. On Recovery he had Rohanna and Pink only because the tracks he sent them suited their style. Lil Wayne and SH were also on so what label influence?

8. Renegade Part 2

No. Only if Em does a Nas track and a Tech track should he ask Jay to jump a track again. Wouldn't mind it but there are better collabs Em can do before that.

[electroencephalogram]

I agree that the label's influence is probably nonexistent. Any intention to sound mainstream was probably his. You can't blame him, he knows what he has to do in order to stay relevant. I can't see eminem having to succumb to the influence of anyone. Eminem is probably treated like a god at interscope because he's in a very special position among musical artists where he can call the shots. Plus, interscope knows that if eminem doesn't like how he's being treated, another label would bend over backwards to have him, or he can easily go independent in this age.

I generally agree with the list. I really enjoyed his new flow at first, but now it's getting tiring. I would like him to go in another direction, and am very interested in how he takes it. Maybe back to TES sound? Listen to Ridaz and you can see that he still has the capability to do that. However, I think it's stupid for people to wish he goes back to his old style, I prefer seeing him move forward as an artist, not back

[EminemBase]

7. Decreased Label Influence

Em didn't have label influence in his last 2 albums. All the guest on Relapse were just Dre and 50. On Recovery he had Rohanna and Pink only because the tracks he sent them suited their style. Lil Wayne and SH were also on so what label influence?

I don't know why people keep going on about this nonexistent "label pressure."

Eminem made all the decisions on his last two albums, misguided as some of them may have been. He controls everything. Jimmy Iovine doesn't come in and go "hey Eminem, for your lead single, I want it to be melodramatic with embarrassing singing and corny punchlines. Otherwise the song is not coming out."

Not sure about that...

I don't think it's as bad as people are implying, but there's interviews from The Marshall Mathers LP days where Jimmy Iovine said he heard the album and said it needed a lead single. Which is the reason Em made "The Way I Am" - label pressure to re-create "My Name Is".

I think Em ultimately chooses but that it's probably like a working relationship. But he seems more influenced than say, Kanye, who just completely does his own thing... where as Em says things like "they needed a clean enough single", when he was talking about "We Made You" etc.

I don't think they interfere with his album that much, but just that they want hits.

[EminemBase]

Oh yeah, there was definitely label pressure in the days of "The Way I Am." That's why I said "last two albums."

I think the only input the labels have on his work these days is they'd prefer his singles to be catchy...which Eminem already knew.

I really don't think Eminem cares about cleaning up lyrics for singles either. This is the guy who said "pull his dick from the dirt and fuck the whole universe" on his latest lead single. That song is full of profanities.

Yeah exactly - I do think the direction of Recovery was Em's choice too.

I'd imagine they made some suggestions or let him know of the reaction or whatever, and then he took it upon himself to go in the direction he did, and perhaps feared he was becoming irrelevant, hence the defiant anger of it all...

And yep, that's actually the one positive thing about Recovery; I don't feel that separation of 'single' and 'album material'. Which isn't to say that the album material is 'as bad' as the singles, but more like the singles are as good as the album. The album tracks are better, but I think the singles fit seamlessly, it all feels like one batch of material... in comparison to a few times in the past where the lead single at least felt like the odd one out, and like it was made purely to be that.

So I mean, maybe one positive he's learned from Recovery is how to blend the pieces in order to avoid that total separation of album content / singles more, I just hope the actual content isn't so all over the place this time. I think coherence is his biggest challenge now.

[Emadyville]

1, 2, 3, and 4, I agree with to an extent.

All I know is it must be fucking hard for him, with how he came to be signed, to becoming famous, to becoming the biggest artist, to becoming the best selling artist, to becoming the best selling artist of his genre, to proofs death and drugs, to coming back from that, to changing his shit up for obvious reasons, to now seeing the end of his career being very soon...I expect greatness but I honestly think we'll get his heart over his head on this next album.

Not that I think it'll be bad, it is just the fact he has went through so much in life it's gotta be a struggle as to why even do it anymore to I wanna be the best and end the best. Idk. I think i'll enjoy it but the critics will be so harsh on it no matter what.

[Willy]

The list started off okay then got progressively worse.

-More original concepts.
-Less songs? No. Less songs that suck dick? Yes.

I guess I'm with Embase in that I just want this album to completely surprise me. Finally, another Em album... it's just now sinking in. Yay!

[Blu]

If any of you think you have any effect on the direction of Em's music, you should kill yourself now.

This.

Who gives a fuck what we expect? That's even more pressure on him and an album made by US, not HIM.

It won't feel like an Eminem album if suddenly everything we wanted, we got. Especially if he had to sacrifice his own ideas just to please us.

[Trimss]

If any of you think you have any effect on the direction of Em's music, you should kill yourself now.

This.

Yeah that Relapse from Recovery switch was definitely natural and not provoked by the fans's reactions.

[Blu]

You have no idea if it was or was not. Unless Em came out and made a statement saying so, we're still all unclear whether or not the fans influenced him.

Is it so hard to believe that Eminem himself wanted to expand on the whole idea of recovering from his drug addiction? Maybe he was bottling up thoughts and he wanted to let it all out.

BTW, I find it kinda funny how you all just assume that his My Life verse was towards the critics. I'm sure Em sat in his office thinking of ways to diss all the "haters" and realized subliminal shots would be most effective. lmao.

[slim-idiot]

That Relapse from Recovery switch was definitely not natural and provoked by the fans reactions, bad sales numbers of Relapse, and Interscope staff.

[tadpole25]

this list is right. he tried to overwhelm the listener with multi's to stand apart from the crowed, but quality is more important than quantity

[Blu]

608k first week is now considered bad. hahahahaha.

[slim-idiot]

That Relapse from Recovery switch was definitely not natural and provoked by the fans reactions, bad sales numbers of Relapse, and Interscope staff.

Relapse had bad sales wtf?

Yes especially outside the US.

Something like 4.5 mil worldwide, thanks to te refill.

It's not that bad but i guess Interscope expected a lot more.

[slim-idiot]

608k first week is now considered bad. hahahahaha.

608k first week after a five year hiatus.

Then the 2nd week?

And the 3rd week?

He had to smell Sacha Cohen's ass to increase his sales number.

Recovery top the billboard 200 charts for 7 straight weeks if i'm correct and the sales didn't decrease like Relapse, thanks to LTWYL.