Talib Kweli on "White Male Privilege" & Eminem

[King Lance]

Legendary Brooklyn rapper Talib Kweli explains "white male privilege" in hip-hop, claiming that it has led to the success of Mac Miller, Macklemore, and Eminem. However, Talib explains how Eminem's vision set him apart from other artists at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... t0670cSFe4

[PAINKILLƎR]

So much racism lately.

But him complementing Em gave me a pretty nice boner lol

Lol same here

[Atone]

Nothing racist about anything he said, he gave Props to Eminem the entire video, all he said was, White rappers get more than black rappers, which is true, Eminem got rolling stone when other rappers was not getting that kind of coverage

Mac Miller, barley known in the Hip Hop World (other than from blogs and forums like us) is on MTV with his own show?

name 1 black rapper who got a tv show before he had much fame,

[Trimss]

Mac Miller, barley known in the Hip Hop World (other than from blogs and forums like us) is on MTV with his own show?

Mac Miller, barely known in the Hip Hop world? You mean the first indie rapper to sell over 100 000 on his first week?

[LIL_B]

Macklemore cemented WOAT


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[Atone]

Mac Miller, barley known in the Hip Hop World (other than from blogs and forums like us) is on MTV with his own show?

Mac Miller, barely known in the Hip Hop world? You mean the first indie rapper to sell over 100 000 on his first week?

Not the 1st rapper to sell 100,000 1st week tho, he may be indie but he get's promo on MTV all the time, matter of fact, i got into Mac when MTV played a music video of him, this was before the Donald Trump song, it was something to do with shoe's, can't remember but MTV played it,

MTV played another video, people were running in the video, he, or the people were under a bridge at some point, MYV was playing the fuck out of Mac Miller, thats why he sold, Tech N9ne's 1st vid on MTV that i remember is Mama Nem, i don't think they ever played him before that, Tech N9ne is true indie and worked his ass off to get where he's at

[infinite2hts]

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[fifflaren]

Mac Miller, barley known in the Hip Hop World (other than from blogs and forums like us) is on MTV with his own show?

Mac Miller, barely known in the Hip Hop world? You mean the first indie rapper to sell over 100 000 on his first week?

Not the 1st rapper to sell 100,000 1st week tho, he may be indie but he get's promo on MTV all the time, matter of fact, i got into Mac when MTV played a music video of him, this was before the Donald Trump song, it was something to do with shoe's, can't remember but MTV played it,

MTV played another video, people were running in the video, he, or the people were under a bridge at some point, MYV was playing the fuck out of Mac Miller, thats why he sold, Tech N9ne's 1st vid on MTV that i remember is Mama Nem, i don't think they ever played him before that, Tech N9ne is true indie and worked his ass off to get where he's at

I agree, they definitely opened the doors for Mac Miller

[Trimss]

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Lil B and Riff Raff woat

I agree, they definitely opened the doors for Mac Miller

I didn't say the opposite, he was a friendly/college rapper so he was easily marketable. Just like Asher Roth when he first came out.

But I was just saying that it's really wrong to say Mac Miller is only known on blogs and forums because everybody knows him.

[Atone]

1st 2 places i knew of Mac Miller, MTV and here, i believe it was here where y'all posted "Nike's On My Feet", MTV played the fuck out of whatever video he has of people runnin around and he's under or by a bridge,

NOT A SINGLE PERSON that i hung out with was talking about Mac Milelr or playing Mac Miller, although, out of all my friends, i'm probably the only Hip Hop head, the most Hip Hop one of my friends ever played was YT Cracker,

In Iowa, none of my friends ever said shit about Miller, they were all listening to Tech N9ne, ALOT of Tech N9ne fans in Iowa,

Mac Miller is indie on an upper level, indie, but get's attention that other indie rappers don't,

[EminemBase]

Riiight...

Basically every black MC in the mainstream has been on cover of Rolling Stone...

I'm not sure of exact dates, but pretty sure 2Pac was on there fairly early in to his career?...

And Rolling Stone cock suck Jay all the time...

So with them it's just because of their talent. But if it's ANY white MC... it's because they're white? Right, makes sense. What a load of fucking horseshit.

Did Vanilla Ice get immediate approval and artistic acceptance? Fuck no. He got popularity due to a pop catchy as fuck record, so do did MC Hammer; who ain't white, and was also ginormous.

There's also a plethora of white MCs even before Em that were considered good at the time, but they didn't get worldwide gigantic exposure... they got the exposure they deserved.

Eminem got instant exposure due to his ingenious artistic content, end of.

If his content was bad or average, he wouldn't have blown up like he did, just like every single white rapper who has had bad or average content, hasn't. With the exception of Vanilla Ice, but that was fuck all to do with skin colour, it was because he wrote a hit record! A hit is a hit!

If all it took was being white and semi-decent, where the fuck is Bubba Sparxxx? and why the fuck isn't Yelawolf a worldwide phenomenon? The argument is not consistent and fails at every hurdle.

Kewli and other racist black rappers like Mos Def get way the fuck on my nerves with this shit.

And it's fucking boring. Get the fucking chip off your shoulder and grow the fuck up.

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PS. If anything there is a black privilege in hip-hop. The amount of fucking SHIT rappers that seem to get a pass... on no other account than I can tell other than they're black and so just more automatically get accepted as 'it's their music'... is unreal.

People might not like Mac Miller and Macklemore but seriously, go re-check Wayne's fucking content; I saw a statement from Macklemore and it's quite obvious that... at least they put actual thought and effort in to what they're doing, yet it's HARDER for them to get accepted because there's always the "but he's white... so he better be a genius and nothing like Eminem, or die" stigma lmao.

Take Asher Roth for example... I'm not the hugest Asher fan, but he can rap, and he's also nothing like Eminem. Yet every single critic referred to him as an Eminem rip-off... just because he's a white rapper who can be somewhat goofy :/, which is ridiculous and ironic when you consider how similar some black rappers are, but get praised for their 'harrowing street accounts', LOL.

And I listened to his debut, and it's actually pretty good... there's concepts, he's rhyming well, the music is decent, he put effort in to make something cohesive, and his thoughts were intelligent and well structured... yet the reviews, STUNK of race bias due to him being a new white rapper. It seemed to me the critics started out with the mindset of "fuck this cunt, he's not Eminem, and he's a white rapper, he's shit, fuck his album"... as their criticisms of the album sounded so forced and unfounded compared to what I listened to; dismissing the entire album as a 'stoner' album with nothing to say etc. when in fact hardly any of the album is even truly about smoking weed, there's a bunch of political commentary, self-deprecation and concepts... , so it's more like they were just dying to say that's what it is. Would they have done that if he was black?

Because I've read reviews of DOG SHIT albums that make out banal, empty, embarrassing content has way more depth than it does. Black rappers get more of a pass, because white people want to feel cool for engaging with, talking about or 'relating to black people', I'm talking specifically about white Americans mind you, as the rest of the western world seems to have grown up quite a long time ago. It's only really the US that has this childish race obsession still.

Kweli - you're a cock, and an idiot.

[EminemBase]

Date for Tupac....This story is from the October 31, 1996 issue of Rolling Stone.



Yep these guys can be so annoying and they just cant accept the fact that a white rapper may be better than a black rapper.

Well then his entire argument falls apart with that alone.

He also can't throw one of these stupid theories that "oh 2Pac was a WHITE black guy though, he acted white to get by", the kind I've heard by racist idiots like him over and over...

Because 2Pac was as boysterous, in your face and himself and true to his roots as he could be; he had fucking gangsterisms plastered on his body, an offensive shaven head and thuggish demeanor... and there is on the cover of Rolling Stone after just his 2nd major release.

It's not skin colour Kweli: it's talent. You got it spot on with 'visionary' buddy, that's what Eminem was and why he was on the cover, just like 2Pac was a visionary in the sense he knew what he was doing was bigger than the moment and carried that mindset throughout his art, he was bigger than a tight verse or a nice hook, he was an artistic thesis to study, and THAT is why he covered the Rolling Stone with his 2nd album, and Eminem with his 1st, and why you DIDN'T.

It's also of major note that does he ever consider it may be the fact that it was because Em signed to perhaps the biggest rap producer in history?... Snoop Dogg got a lot of immediate attention due to his affiliation with Dre too. Seriously, these race vibes are dated, tired and completely idiotic.

[Sam.]

70% Rap records are brought by whites, damn, that's crazy.

[EminemBase]

70% Rap records are brought by whites, damn, that's crazy.

Which means that most 2Pac fans were white, and that white fans MADE 2Pac the largest selling rapper in history prior to Eminem... there was The Beastie Boys before Eminem and other white rappers considered good in their era; so if it was about skin demographic just relating due to being white and automatically buying more... why didn't any of them, ANY white rapper prior to Em become the biggest.

It's nonsense.

Who the fuck even cares, I don't know of anybody who even thinks or talks about the race of an artist or rapper or it making ANY fucking difference to whether they like them or will buy their record... the only people I ever hear talking about the shit is failed, bitter black rappers. Major delusion.

[King Lance]

When I went to see Nas last year, 90 % of the crowd was black

when I went to see Eminem back in the days, 90% of the crowd was white