Behind Kanye West's Mask

[Trimss]

Except for the fact Graduation was better than both famalamalam.

I'll always think Graduation was when he reached his peak. His production on it is absolutely amazing and its replay value is great. It still sounds fresh today.

[EminemBase]

It's kinda tricky though... ghostwriters always suppose to write for other artist from different perspectives than their own.
For example look at Em's verses on Dre songs & then look at the ones Em's written for Dre.
Most notably look at how crazy Pharoahe Monch lyrically is & then look at the relatively simple stuff he's written for Diddy in the past.

Yeah but if the writer has a signature style, you can hear it a mile away.

You can hear Em's writing in any verse he's written for Dre; not only in the rhyme style (although that is a major give away) but also in the things that he says - referring to himself in the third person, using doctor puns, just little things of detail that Em usually does.

Just like you could clearly hear Em in 50's "Never Enough" verse, that thing of referring to the music as a drug and then proceeding to describe how to shoot it etc. - that's Em as fuck, and you can majorly hear it in the rhyming, and 50 has admitted Em helps him sometimes. On that song it's clear.

Where as... all the lines Kanye was coming out with on all of his first three albums... you can hear the same mind at work with the lines he writes now. There's a resemblence in style of thought which is clearly his; so unless Lupe could masterfully dupe Kanye's thoughts and purposely dumbed down his rhyming or structure... seems pretty unlikely.

Also lines I've heard from Lupe are actually cheesier than Kanye's... Kanye's lines always packed a punch for me and were rarely cheesy, regardless of structure.

Things like talking about his head being so big you can't see the screen if you sit behind him, saying shit like "you say I think I'm never wrong... you know what, maybe you're right"... he actually comes out with some clever ass smartass lines, and those lines he came out with on all those albums sound like they're from the same mind that spit "sophisticated ignorance - write my curses in-cursive!", so unless Lupe is still writing for him or it's a coincidence... I highly doubt it.

You can hear Kanye literally improving in rapping and in writing from the first album up until Watch the Throne; I think it's obvious it's his writing and that he's been getting better with it.

[viJilance]

Oh yeah, because when Eminem promoted 50 Cent's gangster ass he didn't do the same? Chief Keef is in the same position that fif once was and 50 even said that. Double standards eh?

Kanye is promoting Chief Keef, Lupe Fiasco, King Louie bceause they're all from Chicago and he supports his city. See, he's doesn't collab with people just for the fuck of it.

Oh yeah his two first album are great as fuck, too bad they're not even his best. Just look at your other pathetic thread, you just started listening to hip hop and you're still in your "real hip hopp fuk da mainstremmm phase" but you really sound ignorant.

I hated g-unit, so yes- Eminem was a money hungry faggot at the time, but Chief Keef isn't music, g-unit in some ways is, and Eminem makes good music. Just because I don't like g-unit doesn't mean they're bad, but I can say Kanye is a faggot and its true, because it painfully obvious. I trust Em's judgement, Kanye is too much of a baby to make his own decisions.

Just because I absorb the culture faster than you, don't be jelly. You've been at it for how many years? and you still like Cockring West? AND think his new shit isn't cancer?

0/10 go watch the throne you fucking goof.

[Almostlity]

Oh yeah, because when Eminem promoted 50 Cent's gangster ass he didn't do the same? Chief Keef is in the same position that fif once was and 50 even said that. Double standards eh?

Kanye is promoting Chief Keef, Lupe Fiasco, King Louie bceause they're all from Chicago and he supports his city. See, he's doesn't collab with people just for the fuck of it.

Oh yeah his two first album are great as fuck, too bad they're not even his best. Just look at your other pathetic thread, you just started listening to hip hop and you're still in your "real hip hopp fuk da mainstremmm phase" but you really sound ignorant.

I hated g-unit, so yes- Eminem was a money hungry faggot at the time, but Chief Keef isn't music, g-unit in some ways is, and Eminem makes good music. Just because I don't like g-unit doesn't mean they're bad, but I can say Kanye is a faggot and its true, because it painfully obvious. I trust Em's judgement, Kanye is too much of a baby to make his own decisions.

Just because I absorb the culture faster than you, don't be jelly. You've been at it for how many years? and you still like Cockring West? AND think his new shit isn't cancer?

0/10 go watch the throne you fucking goof.

[viJilance]

Oh yeah, because when Eminem promoted 50 Cent's gangster ass he didn't do the same? Chief Keef is in the same position that fif once was and 50 even said that. Double standards eh?

Kanye is promoting Chief Keef, Lupe Fiasco, King Louie bceause they're all from Chicago and he supports his city. See, he's doesn't collab with people just for the fuck of it.

Oh yeah his two first album are great as fuck, too bad they're not even his best. Just look at your other pathetic thread, you just started listening to hip hop and you're still in your "real hip hopp fuk da mainstremmm phase" but you really sound ignorant.

I hated g-unit, so yes- Eminem was a money hungry faggot at the time, but Chief Keef isn't music, g-unit in some ways is, and Eminem makes good music. Just because I don't like g-unit doesn't mean they're bad, but I can say Kanye is a faggot and its true, because it painfully obvious. I trust Em's judgement, Kanye is too much of a baby to make his own decisions.

Just because I absorb the culture faster than you, don't be jelly. You've been at it for how many years? and you still like Cockring West? AND think his new shit isn't cancer?

0/10 go watch the throne you fucking goof.

you have no idea how hard i'm laughing

[Francesco]

It's kinda tricky though... ghostwriters always suppose to write for other artist from different perspectives than their own.
For example look at Em's verses on Dre songs & then look at the ones Em's written for Dre.
Most notably look at how crazy Pharoahe Monch lyrically is & then look at the relatively simple stuff he's written for Diddy in the past.

Yeah but if the writer has a signature style, you can hear it a mile away.
You can hear Em's writing in any verse he's written for Dre; not only in the rhyme style (although that is a major give away) but also in the things that he says - referring to himself in the third person, using doctor puns, just little things of detail that Em usually does.
Just like you could clearly hear Em in 50's "Never Enough" verse, that thing of referring to the music as a drug and then proceeding to describe how to shoot it etc. - that's Em as fuck, and you can majorly hear it in the rhyming, and 50 has admitted Em helps him sometimes. On that song it's clear.
Where as... all the lines Kanye was coming out with on all of his first three albums... you can hear the same mind at work with the lines he writes now. There's a resemblence in style of thought which is clearly his; so unless Lupe could masterfully dupe Kanye's thoughts and purposely dumbed down his rhyming or structure... seems pretty unlikely.
Also lines I've heard from Lupe are actually cheesier than Kanye's... Kanye's lines always packed a punch for me and were rarely cheesy, regardless of structure.
Things like talking about his head being so big you can't see the screen if you sit behind him, saying shit like "you say I think I'm never wrong... you know what, maybe you're right"... he actually comes out with some clever ass smartass lines, and those lines he came out with on all those albums sound like they're from the same mind that spit "sophisticated ignorance - write my curses in-cursive!", so unless Lupe is still writing for him or it's a coincidence... I highly doubt it.
You can hear Kanye literally improving in rapping and in writing from the first album up until Watch the Throne; I think it's obvious it's his writing and that he's been getting better with it.

Good points but Kanye easily outrapped Jay on Run this town & it definitely didn't look like he wrote that. I kinda had it mixed if he sounded like him on Forever too but that at least resembled to his other records.

[viJilance]

Only Big L outrapped Jay-Z (and of coure Em on Renegade) Kanye can't rap a 2 year olds dick around his mouth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfKMIdoJL0

[EminemBase]

It's kinda tricky though... ghostwriters always suppose to write for other artist from different perspectives than their own.
For example look at Em's verses on Dre songs & then look at the ones Em's written for Dre.
Most notably look at how crazy Pharoahe Monch lyrically is & then look at the relatively simple stuff he's written for Diddy in the past.

Yeah but if the writer has a signature style, you can hear it a mile away.
You can hear Em's writing in any verse he's written for Dre; not only in the rhyme style (although that is a major give away) but also in the things that he says - referring to himself in the third person, using doctor puns, just little things of detail that Em usually does.
Just like you could clearly hear Em in 50's "Never Enough" verse, that thing of referring to the music as a drug and then proceeding to describe how to shoot it etc. - that's Em as fuck, and you can majorly hear it in the rhyming, and 50 has admitted Em helps him sometimes. On that song it's clear.
Where as... all the lines Kanye was coming out with on all of his first three albums... you can hear the same mind at work with the lines he writes now. There's a resemblence in style of thought which is clearly his; so unless Lupe could masterfully dupe Kanye's thoughts and purposely dumbed down his rhyming or structure... seems pretty unlikely.
Also lines I've heard from Lupe are actually cheesier than Kanye's... Kanye's lines always packed a punch for me and were rarely cheesy, regardless of structure.
Things like talking about his head being so big you can't see the screen if you sit behind him, saying shit like "you say I think I'm never wrong... you know what, maybe you're right"... he actually comes out with some clever ass smartass lines, and those lines he came out with on all those albums sound like they're from the same mind that spit "sophisticated ignorance - write my curses in-cursive!", so unless Lupe is still writing for him or it's a coincidence... I highly doubt it.
You can hear Kanye literally improving in rapping and in writing from the first album up until Watch the Throne; I think it's obvious it's his writing and that he's been getting better with it.

Good points but Kanye easily outrapped Jay on Run this town & it definitely didn't look like he wrote that. I kinda had it mixed if he sounded like him on Forever too but that at least resembled to his other records.

I definitely think he wrote that.

The lines on "Run this Town" sound like they're coming from the same mind as the lines on Graduation and all of his albums. Sounds like Kanye to me.

Also, the fact he did outrap Jay just shows how overrated Jay is, if such an apparently mediocre rapper can keep up with him when Jay was in a pretty decent zone.

[Francesco]

I definitely think he wrote that.
The lines on "Run this Town" sound like they're coming from the same mind as the lines on Graduation and all of his albums. Sounds like Kanye to me.
Also, the fact he did outrap Jay just shows how overrated Jay is, if such an apparently mediocre rapper can keep up with him when Jay was in a pretty decent zone.

I think he didn't write that & Jay kinda implied it in that interview with the Kobe & Paul Gasol comparison to be honest. Like... Sometimes Paul Gasol scores more than Kobe...but then again Kobe assists a lot to Paul Gasol in these games.