Eminem Drug Misconception

[Whitefox]

Even if he didnt do drugs, this moment wouldnt have affected the quality of album. It would be a little bit different, but overall the same. Im too tired to construct sentences.

[Arrinef]

I'm married and have kids, but I still indulge in a blunt and a 6 pack every now and then.
Moderation is key.

[Elision]

There is no doubt that LSD and MDMA helped his music. They improve everybodies creativity. You'd have to be ignorant to think otherwise. Marijuana may have played a roll as well, but there's no way of knowing for certain.

Perhaps some of you are complete fuck-ups who ingest tons of drugs and don't give a second thought because you've convinced your self it's okay and a lot of other people partake in it but I don't.

Lead your life however the fuck you want to just don't advocate that shit.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with responsible drug use. Your body is capable of having incredible experiences beyond this realm of existence. To have a body and not part-take in psychedelic use is like sitting in a car your whole life without ever turning it on. Grow up.

[Man In The Mirror]

There is a constant theme for almost all eminem fans I know that he was better "on drugs". That when he was fucked up he wrote better and all that. He said it himself in his book that he never even did any of those drugs until he started rapping about them. He also said that he doesn't even like to listen to some of the Encore Era stuff because that was when he JUST started to really use drugs in the studio..hence the totally wacky style. I get that you could say he was a little less uptight around those times...but drugs were not a part of his very early recording career (except weed) and he didn't really get high in the studio until Encore. So SSLP, MMLP, and TES were not a product of drugs. They were a product of his attitude and hunger for rap at the time. He was just on fire then. So I think we should lay to rest the whole "eminem would be better if he went back on drugs" thing. Just wanted to throw that out there to see what you think.

That is not true. What he meant with "never even did any of those drugs until he started rapping about them" is the SSEP. He never did drugs before that, but when he became slim shady he started doing drugs.
And that he never did them before encore is a lie. He was even going to call MMLP "Amsterdam" because he wrote almost the enteire album when he was there. He got so creative because of the shrooms, acid, ecstacy and weed he did when he was there. He talked about ecstacy in an interview with Howard Stern (1999) and how it effects him and how he loves it.
And he says on "I'm Shady" on SSLP:
"Well, I do take pills, don't do speed
Don't do crack, don't do coke, I do smoke weed
Don't do smack, I do do shrooms, do drink beer
I just wanna make a few things clear"

[Man In The Mirror]

I do remember hearing that TES was his "most sober" album. I think he had found the 'perfect balance' of sobriety and drugs, lol...I wanna say Proof said it, I dunno though.

If you read his book you can see he had a very stressfull life (8Mile, Shady Records, Lawsuits, TES, Touring) and this is where he first got introduced to speed and also the infamous drugs that later developed into an addiction (XANAX, Vicodin, ect.). He didn't use these to party or get creative tho. These where because he had such a tight scedual so if he wanted to sleep at all he had to take xanax to to fall asleep and then speed to wake up qick for the next day.

[EminemBase]

Ignorant people think that if you take some drugs you are automatically able to create a masterpiece, to write a song, to write a story, to shot a movie. Fuck no. You got a talent? Yes. No talent? You can take 1 kg of shrooms, 10 gr of speeds and still be nobody. No drugs will make you genius.

Well I think drugs can make anybody more creative, and creative people REALLY creative.

[Whitefox]

There is no doubt that LSD and MDMA helped his music. They improve everybodies creativity.

They do, but non-creative by nature people just dont give a fuck about it. Yes, everybody will have an awesome, coloured or whatever you wanna call this trip, but after some time they will forget about it, cause they dont know what to do with their experience and they dont have any notes of artistic personality in them. Only thing they will remember is " Oh my god, i took LSD 2 weeks ago and it was cool. it was like this and like that" whereareas creative people keep this shit in mind for ages, having every vision rewinded for numerous times, they do have an ability to think about it.

Some people cant even control their trip. They take speeds and act like a blown balloon. Because they use it for "i will take it and dance all the night and chat with people" - people just dont have any thought about other sides of it. Eminem could take speeds to expand his mindset, it means that he knew for what reason he does it - "I will do a line and check what else i can do with the subject i want to deliver in the song". Thats the difference between uncreative people using drugs and creative people using drugs.

[Whitefox]

By saying "trip" i mean "influence", sorry if something is wrong. Speed do focus better, yes. But the one moment is still undeniable - it depends on people themselves on what they will be focused more.

[Elision]

You're not going in to any sort of magical realm, you're fucking your brain up with poison to the point where it makes you either hallucinate or feel abnormal.

Pretty bold statement telling me to grow up when you seem to think drugs have magical capabilities.

Whether or not your consciousness is actually being shot into different dimensions doesn't really matter. Because the fact is you're having the exact same experience either way. You're coming back with the exact same information regardless. That being said, I suggest you look into the powerful natural tryptamines if you want truly divine experience. DMT (the most potent psychedelic drug we know of) is produced by your own pineal gland during birth, death, and every night during REM sleep (it is responsible for your dreams). It's also worth noting that the pineal gland is formed in the brain at 49 days in the womb, the exact same amount of days that it takes for reincarnation for occur in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Now unless you have directly smoked nn-DMT, or taken well over 4 grams of psilocybin mushrooms (4-ho-DMT), I cannot convince you of the reality of these worlds. So I'm not going to try to. You have to decide to step over yourself. But anybody can tell you from personal experience that these realms will absolutely convince you of their reality.

Secondly, I was promoting responsible drug use - This does not include alcohol and other harmful substances that don't belong to the psychedelic family. Take care of your body, don't be stupid.

Grow old and keep being a drug-abusing weirdo, we'll see who's the fucking kid eventually. Fucking man-child.

I don't abuse drugs. I use them.

Fucking hippie, keep listening to that ICP in your sig and stop posting this fucking GARBAGE.

That's Tech N9ne. Doesn't even belong to the juggalo family.

I consider growing up gaining responsibility, getting a job, going to college and keeping my self out of fucking trouble. Not dropping acid. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

I consider growing up to be continuously furthering your understanding of what exactly this thing we call life is. Trying to figure out what & where the fuck this "galaxy" thing is. Understanding that god isn't some divine being but all of consciousness as one massive collective. And realizing that every living thing is a shard of "god", trying to further understand itself through life. Thus not having to be alone.

Now I'm not saying that these drugs are necessary for everybody to get there, but is it a coincidence that this understanding is what lies that the core of every transcendent psychedelic experience?

[EminemInsider]

Kim was already written before SSLP even came out. 97 Bonnie & Clyde was the sequel, and he saved Kim for a surprise on his next album.

We need to also distinguish between drugs. Eminem's ambien/sleeping pills problem was in its early stages when he was finishing up TES.

[ganjakush56]

You're not going in to any sort of magical realm, you're fucking your brain up with poison to the point where it makes you either hallucinate or feel abnormal.

Pretty bold statement telling me to grow up when you seem to think drugs have magical capabilities.

Whether or not your consciousness is actually being shot into different dimensions doesn't really matter. Because the fact is you're having the exact same experience either way. You're coming back with the exact same information regardless. That being said, I suggest you look into the powerful natural tryptamines if you want truly divine experience. DMT (the most potent psychedelic drug we know of) is produced by your own pineal gland during birth, death, and every night during REM sleep (it is responsible for your dreams). It's also worth noting that the pineal gland is formed in the brain at 49 days in the womb, the exact same amount of days that it takes for reincarnation for occur in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Now unless you have directly smoked nn-DMT, or taken well over 4 grams of psilocybin mushrooms (4-ho-DMT), I cannot convince you of the reality of these worlds. So I'm not going to try to. You have to decide to step over yourself. But anybody can tell you from personal experience that these realms will absolutely convince you of their reality.

Now I'm not saying that these drugs are necessary for everybody to get there, but is it a coincidence that this understanding is what lies that the core of every transcendent psychedelic experience?

Elision...I never thought I'd randomly encounter another person who knows what fucking N,N Dimethyltryptamine is, or psilocybin. This is fucking awesome and yeah, people cannot understand the reality of the psychedelic experience if they have not experienced it firsthand. In terms of psychedelics influencing Eminem's music.. I doubt he was taking what is considered the heroic dose of psilocybin (as Terence McKenna describes it) - 5g. I doubt he was taking beyong 5g of the mushroom. Now, I now his DJ, Alchemist, has taken Ayahuasca, which is a mixture which is to be drank, containing DMT and other psychoactive compounds. It was heavily used by sectors of the Inca civilization prior to colonization. Ayahuasca, in Quechua (the language of the Inca), can be translated as "vine of the gods" or "flesh of the gods". If his DJ has done this 'drug', then it also may be entirely possible that Eminem has some experience with the tryptamine family of psychedelics as well but his music does not seem to reflect the profound understandings gathered from the psychedelic experience.

Now, weed on the other hand could have most definitely influenced his music during the SSLP and MMLP (especially since the majority of the MMLP was recorded in Amsterdam). This could be the reason why his signature wit is so apparent on the MMLP and less on the SSLP but still very prominent. It could be why the humor is so carefully crafted into the dark and twisted lyrics - that is strong creativity. BUT, Relapse was also an extremely creative album and it was recorded while he was 'flushing' out methadone, ambien, vicoden, and something else i think (i forget the 4th one). What inspired the creativity on relapse may have not been the use of any specific substance but maybe the twisted content of relapse and its structure was a reflection of how fucked up his addiction really was.

And also, to clear up any confusion, Eminem said himself that his first signs of major addiction to any 'hard' substance (excluding Alcohol) was during the filming of 8 Mile. He began taking Xenadrine which is a diet pill so strong that is acts as a speed substitute, keeping the user awake an active. Eminem was working 16hr days during the filming of 8 Mile. He said he began to take ambien during this time as well in order to sleep. Prior to this, based on what we know, he was smoking weed (probably mostly in the hashish form knowing Dr. Dre's love for it),doing ecstacy, little psilocybin consumption, and of course, Alcohol. Correct me if i'm wrong - but wasn't he an acoholic at some point? And to respond to BasedShady, psilocybin, LSD, Mescaline, DMT, Ayahuasca, 5-MEO DMT, and other tryptamine psychedelics: these are not poisonous. They are merely demonized as such by our collective society which seems to be an advocate for possessive fetishism, symbolic thought, monogomy, monotony, linear thought patterns, etc, all of which tryptamines dismantle upon consumption. Do some research before contributing to the collective demonization of tryptamines. They're a whole lot better than alcohol and caffeine! Just do some research.