Em turned down role in new movie

[PAINKILLƎR]

What?! Bale is a God.

[SliK]

@EmBase You said he was a bad actor. I assume bad acting equates to bad performances. That was the point I was addressing and yes the Eminem analogy works.

[Whitefox]

Keanu Reeves is shitty acting. And Eminem is a million times better than him.

What? Eminem did good in 8 mile just because everything from the subject matter of the movie to the surrounding were familiar to him. Thats the case of his "good" acting. I really dont think that Em can handle some different role, which is not connected with hip-hop.

Not really.

There's still good and bad acting.

You could give Keanu Reeves a movie about his life and he'd still be awful; because he delivers lines in a wooden way, he's flat, hollow, lacks charisma, screen presence and conviction... he ACTS unrealistically, Eminem acts realistically - doesn't mater what the subject-matter is, he's still delivering lines which aren't thoughts from his head, and acting convincingly.

Fuck Keanu Reeves. Do you really think that Eminem is a good actor? You based it on what? On one movie where he doesnt even play, where he saying phrases and do things like he does it everyday? Seriously, i think that he was good in 8 mile because he wasnt even acting. I bet the whole process of shooting were like they were telling him "you saying this, then do this". Nobody fucks his brain with things like "oh, you dont have in this scene enough angst and on this episode you should show more depression". Fuck it, it wasnt like this. As I said, he was good because of the subject matter and surrounding. And his face gesture is a zero without a hole - just admit it. Look at his face - nothing, no emotions. The only role he would be capable of is a deaf murderer. Thats it. Eminem is a bad actor.
I dont wanna see his dead unemotional face for an hour. 8 mile was cool to watch, no doubt, but take a look at his episode in "The Wash", is it good acting? Fuck no. It was funny to see, but as for acting itself it was below average.

[EminemBase]

@EmBase You said he was a bad actor. I assume bad acting equates to bad performances. That was the point I was addressing and yes the Eminem analogy works.

No, what I said was:

"Bale is quite a bad actor at times. His accent sounds so transparently fake and he over-acts like fuck, sometimes I cringe at how OTT and unreal he feels. But he often puts so much in to it, so much intensity that it ultimately convinces and feels compelling in some way..."

"Quite bad" and "at times" and then going on to say he ultimately convinces and feels compelling in some way is rather different than saying 'he's a bad actor', and no the Em analogy doesn't work as I said Bale has bad elements to his acting but is ultimately compelling... that's way different than saying he has some bad performances and some great ones. I'm saying he's got those bad elements all the time, mostly what I'm speaking of is over-acting... a better analogy would be Kanye West, and saying his lyrics and rapping are fairly shitty but he has his moments and the end result is always great.

Compared to Em where as when he's great, he's just basically all great - the flaws are so minor that they near don't exist; this is the kind of solid feel I get from performances by Norton, De Niro, Pacino... not from Bale. He's like a Kanye; slightly wacko genius who pulls it off most of the time.

[EminemBase]

Fuck Keanu Reeves. Do you really think that Eminem is a good actor? You based it on what? On one movie where he doesnt even play, where he saying phrases and do things like he does it everyday? Seriously, i think that he was good in 8 mile because he wasnt even acting. I bet the whole process of shooting were like they were telling him "you saying this, then do this". Nobody fucks his brain with things like "oh, you dont have in this scene enough angst and on this episode you should show more depression". Fuck it, it wasnt like this. As I said, he was good because of the subject matter and surrounding. And his face gesture is a zero without a hole - just admit it. Look at his face - nothing, no emotions. The only role he would be capable of is a deaf murderer. Thats it. Eminem is a bad actor.
I dont wanna see his dead unemotional face for an hour. 8 mile was cool to watch, no doubt, but take a look at his episode in "The Wash", is it good acting? Fuck no. It was funny to see, but as for acting itself it was below average.

Em never had a friend called Cheddar Bob who shot himself in his leg, he never got jumped by Pappa Doc and had to battle the free world... there's loads of fictional elements and scenarios and aspects to that character and in that movie which are totally invented...

And yes you can judge good or bad acting REGARDLESS of subject-matter.

Just like a great rapper could be rapping about nonsense but you could still tell they're a great rapper by their - flow, delivery, lyrics, pace etc. etc. as it's the foundation / technique that you're judging, not the content.

Similarly - yes, I believe you can see Eminem is a good actor from 8 Mile - his delivery of lines, his realism in his body language, facial expressions, how he acts in the moment - his anger, his depressive glances... the range of emotion and expression he displays in FICTIONAL situations in front of a camera - the situations and the scropt don't matter to judging acting... saying he wasn't really acting is just ridiculous. He was delivering lines, to a camera, pretending to be doing and thinking things that he wasn't - that's acting, and you can judge that.

Just like you can see Gervais is a great actor from The Office; it was based on his experiences as a manager but that's not what you're judging when judging acting :/ would it be more impressive if he convingly played a serial killer? Sure, that's a different discussion - but that's range and a discussion on WHAT they can act, not whether they CAN act.

You can see form Em's performance that he CAN act realistically.

Put a shit actor in ANY subject-matter and they ACT badly (unconvincing delivery of lines, off-key / hollow emotion, awkward and unrealistic body language etc.)

[Whitefox]

I fucking hate you.

[SliK]

@EmBase You said he was a bad actor. I assume bad acting equates to bad performances. That was the point I was addressing and yes the Eminem analogy works.

No, what I said was:

"Bale is quite a bad actor at times. His accent sounds so transparently fake and he over-acts like fuck, sometimes I cringe at how OTT and unreal he feels. But he often puts so much in to it, so much intensity that it ultimately convinces and feels compelling in some way..."

"Quite bad" and "at times" and then going on to say he ultimately convinces and feels compelling in some way is rather different than saying 'he's a bad actor', and no the Em analogy doesn't work as I said Bale has bad elements to his acting but is ultimately compelling... that's way different than saying he has some bad performances and some great ones. I'm saying he's got those bad elements all the time, mostly what I'm speaking of is over-acting... a better analogy would be Kanye West, and saying his lyrics and rapping are fairly shitty but he has his moments and the end result is always great.

Compared to Em where as when he's great, he's just basically all great - the flaws are so minor that they near don't exist; this is the kind of solid feel I get from performances by Norton, De Niro, Pacino... not from Bale. He's like a Kanye; slightly wacko genius who pulls it off most of the time.

Sorry but "quite a bad actor" whether or not you said "at times" is just plain wrong and sounds quite ignorant. He is never "quite a bad actor".

That IS like saying Eminem is quite a bad rapper at times. But guess what, everyone (including Eminem and Robert DeNiro) has given less than 100% at some stage in their lives. However, unlike you, I do not believe Bale's great performances have any flaws at all. I would very comfortably place him along side the likes of Edward Norton. That is why I think the analogy works (and after all it is all subjective, your opinion [though well argued] is not fact). Bale has had enough flawless performances to call him a fantastic actor.

[EminemBase]

@EmBase You said he was a bad actor. I assume bad acting equates to bad performances. That was the point I was addressing and yes the Eminem analogy works.

No, what I said was:

"Bale is quite a bad actor at times. His accent sounds so transparently fake and he over-acts like fuck, sometimes I cringe at how OTT and unreal he feels. But he often puts so much in to it, so much intensity that it ultimately convinces and feels compelling in some way..."

"Quite bad" and "at times" and then going on to say he ultimately convinces and feels compelling in some way is rather different than saying 'he's a bad actor', and no the Em analogy doesn't work as I said Bale has bad elements to his acting but is ultimately compelling... that's way different than saying he has some bad performances and some great ones. I'm saying he's got those bad elements all the time, mostly what I'm speaking of is over-acting... a better analogy would be Kanye West, and saying his lyrics and rapping are fairly shitty but he has his moments and the end result is always great.

Compared to Em where as when he's great, he's just basically all great - the flaws are so minor that they near don't exist; this is the kind of solid feel I get from performances by Norton, De Niro, Pacino... not from Bale. He's like a Kanye; slightly wacko genius who pulls it off most of the time.

Sorry but "quite a bad actor" whether or not you said "at times" is just plain wrong and sounds quite ignorant. He is never "quite a bad actor".

That IS like saying Eminem is quite a bad rapper at times. But guess what, everyone (including Eminem and Robert DeNiro) has given less than 100% at some stage in their lives. However, unlike you, I do not believe Bale's great performances have any flaws at all. I would very comfortably place him along side the likes of Edward Norton. That is why I think the analogy works (and after all it is all subjective, your opinion [though well argued] is not fact). Bale has had enough flawless performances to call him a fantastic actor.

I'm not saying Bale has some bad performances and some great ones... I'm saying he's consistently bad in moments, even in his great ones.

So the Kanye analogy is more accurate. As Kanye can have a great album (Bale / great film / overall performance) but there's many spots of 'ehh' and weak moments and where he clearly misses the mark as an actor/rapper... with Em, there isn't really any places on MMLP where he's consistently on and off or missing the mark.

I think Bale's overall effect is powerful but that he's a consistently corny actor, even in his good performances. I think he consistently over-acts. De Niro isn't consistently bad or constant holes in Goodfellas or Taxi Driver, it's solid start to finish, inside out.

I LIKE Bale, I like most of the films he's been in, some very much so (American Psycho I think is one of the best films of the last 15 years)... but even in that - again, I think his overall performance... he pulls it off, and achieves what he sets out to, but what I mean is... there are many moments within for me where he feels unauthentic... I can feel that he's acting and it feels bad. I've never felt that with great performances from other great actors. There is no 'ehh' moments for me with Norton in American History X. Bale is good, but only sometimes great for me... he's hit and miss WITHIN performances (not like hit and miss with separate ones).

BUT, all this mention of American Psycho has got me pumped to watch it again.

On a related note: that faggot who played Bale's role in the Kanye... parody of that infamous American Psycho scene... is one of the worst actors I have ever seen.

I'm fina do that tonight yo.

[EminemBase]

I fucking hate you.

[Arrinef]

I'm just glad it ended with 8 mile. At least he didnt milk acting and create an "are we there yet" movie or go big budget like 50 did with righteous kill and suck

[EminemBase]

I'm just glad it ended with 8 mile. At least he didnt milk acting and create an "are we there yet" movie or go big budget like 50 did with righteous kill and suck

Lmao, 50 sucks ass.

He thinks he can just do what he did in music and basically create mixtape-esque films and he'll be huge... but they're all of such shit quality, he needs to practice.

[CrashBand]

You seen Seven Psychopaths EmBase?

[Francesco]

Em's been too lazy & has missed a lotta chances... too bad.

[EminemBase]

You seen Seven Psychopaths EmBase?

Not yet yo. Saw the trailer a while ago, looked quite good if I remember.

Reviews are good too... I shall peep it soon. You seen it?

[CrashBand]

You seen Seven Psychopaths EmBase?

Not yet yo. Saw the trailer a while ago, looked quite good if I remember.

Reviews are good too... I shall peep it soon. You seen it?

Yeah, I'd recommend it. It's kind of absurd, but it's one of the better recent movies I've seen.

It's well written and well acted. I've always been a fan of Sam Rockwell, and Colin Farrell has slowly grown on me throughout his career.