Tech N9ne...

[classthe_king]

The difference is that Tech N9ne making up words doesn't work within the context. And it doesn't even matter if you can clutch at straws to find meaning, the fact is that he only said"Get fanned away with grands to pay" because he needed a rhyme and no one would ever say that under normal circumstances. If you told someone you got fanned away with grands to pay they would think you were having a seizure. Besides, you're only making an argument for one of the lines. You're not even making an attempt to explain Tech's other nonsensical lines and that says enough.

[CanadaPure]

The difference is that Tech N9ne making up words doesn't work within the context. And it doesn't even matter if you can clutch at straws to find meaning, the fact is that he only said"Get fanned away with grands to pay" because he needed a rhyme and no one would ever say that under normal circumstances. If you told someone you got fanned away with grands to pay they would think you were having a seizure. Besides, you're only making an argument for one of the lines. You're not even making an attempt to explain Tech's other nonsensical lines and that says enough.

Once again, you're using the comparison of a day to day conversation with lyrics in a song. That doesn't work, music is not a conversation.

[King Lance]

The difference is that Tech N9ne making up words doesn't work within the context. And it doesn't even matter if you can clutch at straws to find meaning, the fact is that he only said"Get fanned away with grands to pay" because he needed a rhyme and no one would ever say that under normal circumstances. If you told someone you got fanned away with grands to pay they would think you were having a seizure. Besides, you're only making an argument for one of the lines. You're not even making an attempt to explain Tech's other nonsensical lines and that says enough.

Once again, you're using the comparison of a day to day conversation with lyrics in a song. That doesn't work, music is not a conversation.

disagree.

I can name at least 10 rappers who can rap and have a conversation with lyrics in a song

[CanadaPure]

disagree.

I can name at least 10 rappers who can rap and have a conversation with lyrics in a song

I should rephrase that, because you're right, there are rappers who can have a conversation through lyrics.

Music doesn't have to be a conversation for it to be good.

[classthe_king]

Like I said, I agree with you that he is reaching, but I disagree with you about it being total nonsense. Part of the fun with Tech's lyrics, for me at least, is trying to think about what they do mean, because he can be pretty abstract with his phrasing while he's trying to stick to a rhyme pattern or stay on beat.

That's not abstract. Abstract still has meaning it's just more out there and requires thought. That's not the same as Tech's lyrics requiring thought because it has no meaning and you have to struggle to figure it out.

It's not really creating meaning with these ones, because the phrasing isn't as random as you're making it. Being "fanned away" isn't that nonsensical. Think about it, fans (as in, an actual air circulating fan) blow shit away, they're getting pushed away. Grands to pay, a grand is a thousand dollars. The phrasing is awkward, but it still makes sense. You're making it more difficult for yourself than it needs to be.

You fan away a gas to make it disperse. You don't fan away a person to make them leave. Like I said, it's vaguely trying to connect meaning between concepts that aren't ever used in that way. The purpose of lyrics to convey a message, to construct an atmosphere and give the needed details. Tech N9ne's lyrics are like a painter throwing paint randomly onto a canvas and then trying to create meaning after the fact.

[classthe_king]

The difference is that Tech N9ne making up words doesn't work within the context. And it doesn't even matter if you can clutch at straws to find meaning, the fact is that he only said"Get fanned away with grands to pay" because he needed a rhyme and no one would ever say that under normal circumstances. If you told someone you got fanned away with grands to pay they would think you were having a seizure. Besides, you're only making an argument for one of the lines. You're not even making an attempt to explain Tech's other nonsensical lines and that says enough.

Once again, you're using the comparison of a day to day conversation with lyrics in a song. That doesn't work, music is not a conversation.

Jeez, I already said it's not the fact that it's not used in day to day conversation it's the fact that it's not used at all. It's making up awkward phrasing by reaching for meaning with words used in a context they wouldn't ever be used in. It's poor and inefficient lyricism.

[classthe_king]

Yes he is? I'm sure everyone's favorite rapper thinks he's a great lyricist.

lol @ something not being on urban dictionary and therefor not being real. To fan something is to wave. to fan away would to wave something away. How old are you?

?????????

No he isn't.

If we're talking about great lyricists, we're talking about Rakim, Lauryn Hill, Big Daddy Kane, Tupac, Scarface, Eminem, Nas, Jay at his prime, Joe Budden, Q-Tip, Common, if we're talking about recent great lyricists, we're talking about Lupe Fiasco, Kendrick Lamar, J.Cole, Ab-Soul,.. Tech N9ne has a great flow but has never been known as a good lyricist. He lacks quotable and metaphors, his imagery is bad and he can't paint pictures lyrically.

I am a fan of most of the people you posted, but that doesn't mean Tehc isn't a lyricist. That's just silly. The hate for Tech on here is getting absurd. This is why we can't have nice discussions because somehow the idea is accepted that tech fucking n9ne isn't a lyricist. I honestly don't even feel like I need to come up with anything to respond to that because its just incorrect. Where the hell are the tech fans in here. I'm not even that big of a fan I only have some of his music but I gotta defend him here,

@ lance: but not every verse is designed to sound like a conversation, which I'm sure you know. Budden is great at it for example.

No one said he isn't a lyricist? He's still a lyricist, he's just a bad one.

[CanadaPure]

That's not abstract. Abstract still has meaning it's just more out there and requires thought. That's not the same as Tech's lyrics requiring thought because it has no meaning and you have to struggle to figure it out.

None of us struggled to put meaning to it though, the only one who's struggling to put any meaning to the lyrics right now is yourself, because you seem to think that just because a phrase isn't used regularly means it makes no sense.

You fan away a gas to make it disperse. You don't fan away a person to make them leave. Like I said, it's vaguely trying to connect meaning between concepts that aren't ever used in that way. The purpose of lyrics to convey a message, to construct an atmosphere and give the needed details. Tech N9ne's lyrics are like a painter throwing paint randomly onto a canvas and then trying to create meaning after the fact.

Yeah, they can be sometimes.

[Mr Change]

I'm sorry but the idea that Tech N9ne doesn't make sense or that he always says random words in his rap is stupid, lol.

If you can't understand those lines from Fragile, well I feel sorry for you.

[CanadaPure]

I'm sorry but the idea that Tech N9ne doesn't make sense or that he always says random words in his rap is stupid, lol.

If you can't understand those lines from Fragile, well I feel sorry for you.

I'll play the opposite side of the coin here and say that sometimes Tech does get lost in his words when he's trying to go too fast but still maintain a rhyme scheme.

[classthe_king]

None of us struggled to put meaning to it though, the only one who's struggling to put any meaning to the lyrics right now is yourself, because you seem to think that just because a phrase isn't used regularly means it makes no sense.

I've literally explained this point about 5 times.

[classthe_king]

I'm sorry but the idea that Tech N9ne doesn't make sense or that he always says random words in his rap is stupid, lol.

If you can't understand those lines from Fragile, well I feel sorry for you.

Please explain to me what, "This jam will lay scripted, deaf and impeccable" means.

[CanadaPure]

None of us struggled to put meaning to it though, the only one who's struggling to put any meaning to the lyrics right now is yourself, because you seem to think that just because a phrase isn't used regularly means it makes no sense.

I've literally explained this point about 5 times.

And I've literally offered a counter argument to that point 5 times.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree at this point, because we both sound like broken records.

[classthe_king]

so because "fan away" doesn't LITERALLY mean to push someone away it doesn't make sense? Do you read books? there's no way you could navigate the intellectual world if you get hung up on how fanning someone away is nonsensical.

The entire verse is nonsensical. Get fanned away with grands to pay was the line with the most meaning and that's only iffy at best.

[classthe_king]

None of us struggled to put meaning to it though, the only one who's struggling to put any meaning to the lyrics right now is yourself, because you seem to think that just because a phrase isn't used regularly means it makes no sense.

I've literally explained this point about 5 times.

And I've literally offered a counter argument to that point 5 times.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree at this point, because we both sound like broken records.

You don't though. You just keep saying the same thing about it being art and just because it's not a phrase that isn't used regularly doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

But the fact is that it's not a phrase at all. It's completely made up and so awkward that it's hard to listen to. Like I said, it's inefficient lyricism that doesn't do any of the things lyricism is meant to do.