Tech N9ne...

[Accor]

Prime Lupe didn't fuck much with multies but he was a goat

a good rhymer to me is someone who can rhyme well without compromising ANYTHING. rhyming on it's own isn't impressive at all, especially nowadays when most of them are rehashed anyway. someone who rhymes well without sacrificing anything isn't necessarily a good lyricist though

a good lyricist is someone who writes good lyrics

[classthe_king]

I already said I'm talking about rap though... Regardless, what is a 'good rhymer' to you? How can someone be a good rhymer without looking at lyrics? There are great lyricists who have written great songs without metaphors... that point isn't conducive to you winning the argument

Lyricism isn't only confined to rap though so it's pointless to try and talk about it in regards to rap. A good rhymer to me is creative with how they rhyme, both in quality and quantity. They have to switch up and use a lot of different schemes and also rhyme words without having one being the obvious "set up" rhyme. Rhyming two words that are both real phrases or things. Like Sadistik when he rhymed "Playin sick as a teen," "raise a fist for the dream," "david lynchian scenes" and "rage against the machine" or Eminem when he rhymed "Public housing system" and "munchausen syndrome." Do I want an artist with great lyrics and great rhymes? Yeah…but those are still two separate things. It takes skill to do either one and even more skill to do both.


Rakim is an artist you have to listen to within the context of when the song was released. Obviously it's not very good when compared to songs now but at the time it was revolutionary.

By definition lyricism is, 'An artist's expression of emotion in an imaginative and beautiful way; the quality of being lyrical."

Where in the fuck did you find this definition? Because I've spent the last 10 minutes looking for it on google, and so far nothing even close. Your argument falls through otherwise.

According to wiki and online dictionaries (I don't physically own one), lyrics are the composition of words within music or poetry. Not 'the beautiful expression of emotion and imagination'. Lyrics are the just the words dude.

uhhh

[Elision]

It takes a good lyricist to write uncompromised content with dope rhymes. To me rhyme isn't impressive on it's own.. it's just repetition of similar sounds. You can't call someone a good rhymer without considering lyrics.'

this is why tech is bad


'mad at me me understandable, cannibal shoot an animal out of a cannon and have him catapult at an adult'

shit

Imagine goin' from bein' a no one to seein',
everything blow up and all you did was just grow
up emceeing

incredible

So your point is that while Em has both shit lines and good ones, he is still incredible -- but this does not apply to Tech?

And what you're failing to consider is that Tech (objectively) shoves more rhymes than anybody else into his lyrics. It's his core focus next to flow. So it's safe to say that he's going to be sacrificing more grammatical structure than anybody else.

[Accor]

I don't think eminem is incredible at all, where did I say that? Half of his discography is shit to me, the other half is overrated (here at least).

Grammatical structure isn't the only problem with tech lol, a lot of what I hear from him sounds like shit people on here in the cw section could write

[classthe_king]

You spent 10 minutes? Now I think you're the one who's an idiot.

Merriam Webster: "An intense personal quality expressive of feeling or emotion in an art."

The Free Dictionary: "The character or quality of subjectivity and sensuality of expression, especially in the arts."

Take your L bro

[Snakebeast]

I don't think eminem is incredible at all, where did I say that? Half of his discography is shit to me, the other half is overrated (here at least).

Grammatical structure isn't the only problem with tech lol, a lot of the shit I hear from tech sounds like shit people on here in the cw section could write

The fact that you think that half of his discography is shit is enough for me to say that you really don't belong here

[Accor]

does that really matter though

[PAINKILLƎR]

[Shameek]

I don't think eminem is incredible at all, where did I say that? Half of his discography is shit to me, the other half is overrated (here at least).

Grammatical structure isn't the only problem with tech lol, a lot of what I hear from him sounds like shit people on here in the cw section could write

it's funny because I'm on Boxden and someone has just commented about Eminem.

Thread title: Kendrick and Eminem ???

with Eminem making his new album i was checking in with BX to see if yall think he will throw Kendrick on his album or not?? i think it would be sick!!

Today, 04:59 AM online - Joined Oct 2011 - #11

i think it would be a plus but what Eminem got to rap about i mean he lyrical and all but most of his latest verses is just random yelling...but everybody would buy a song with him a Kendrick just off their names alone..wack or not.



This is exactly what I can read about Eminem every single day.
Everybody praises his first 3 albums but they all shit on him because of random rhyming and extremely repetitive lyrics and messages in Relapse and Recovery

[Willy]

@Accor I never said that a good lyricist HAS to do these things. I think I used 'indicator' or some shit but I can't be fucked to look. We have the same view besides a tiny difference in semantics. I choose to not have rhyme as its own category because you can't say Rapper A or Rapper B is a good rhymer without looking at lyrics. Even outside of rap... rhyme is very much so a part of lyricism. What is it if its not? The repetition of sounds? He's a good rhymer? He's good at repeating sounds?

No, he's a good lyricist. He's good at using rhyme to create more memorable lyrics. Regardless of genre.

@Class Yeah, we just have different views. I can appreciate instances of unique rhyming but I would never say so and so is a good rhymer unless I understood the context the phrases were being used. Also, rhyme schemes can definitely help in adding extra meaning to lyrics... say for example you write an AABA... that pattern, break, back to pattern adds some suspense/impact to a punchline.

[classthe_king]

^^^^The suspense in the punchline comes from the delivery though, which brings us back to is delivery apart of lyricism? No. Delivery helps the lyrics just as much as rhyming. Rhyming is just sounds and helps the verse sonically but not lyrically.


Please don't turn this into a discussion about Eminem. The thread will just get locked and everyone will get in trouble for going off topic.

[Willy]

See, I would say part of the suspense also comes from a break in a sonic pattern your brain is used to hearing followed by its return. Anyways it's been interesting debate but I gotta run, work in the morn.

[Elision]

By definition lyricism is, 'An artist's expression of emotion in an imaginative and beautiful way; the quality of being lyrical."

Where in the fuck did you find this definition? Because I've spent the last 10 minutes looking for it on google, and so far nothing even close. Your argument falls through otherwise.

According to wiki and online dictionaries (I don't physically own one), lyrics are the composition of words within music or poetry. Not 'the beautiful expression of emotion and imagination'. Lyrics are the just the words dude.

uhhh

Okay so what the fuck then? The definition of 'lyricist' does not correspond with 'lyrics'. according to google's definition of the word "lyricist"; the words must have emotional and beautiful expression. While a lyric is simply a singular word. So although wiki states in the first line that "The writer of lyrics is a lyricist or lyrist", google says otherwise.

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[King Lance]

I'm going to close this thread

Technical
Technical, is the structure of the rap and how it sounds. It includes stuff like rhyme scheme, multies, assonance, consonance, alliteration, voice, etc. It’s basically anything that helps the verse sound or flow better. A good technical rapper is someone who can flow well and not be predictable doing it. An example of good technique would be Blu in the song “Cold Hearted”:

I was cold hearted and young, a dumb kid with a gun
Cause fun days don’t last, the last nigga to laugh
So rap fell on my tongue, numb feelings remain
And pain comes and it goes
But my wounds shows the room where my pops beat my moms
Moms screamin' for help, myself hot as a sun
Cold hearted and young, a dumb kid with a gun
That I got from my pops top drawer
When he left my momma twice in a week
My momma lifeless and weak, spendin' her nights in the sheets
With seed killer number (one)
Seed killer number (two)
Seed killer number (three)

This is structured very nicely. The rhyme scheme is varied a lot to keep the listener from getting bored. He also uses assonance pretty effectively here with the repetition of both short and long vowel sounds. For example “…don’t last, the last nigga to laugh”, and “cold hearted and young, a dumb kid with a gun”. In addition to that, he rhymes “lifeless and weak” with “nights in the sheets” which is a pretty good multi. There’s more we can talk about in this verse but I’ll just right there because I think you get the point. Overall, this verse is very good technically and it shows by how well Blu flows.

Lyrical
Lyricism is how the rapper expresses his theme, message, or emotions. Creativity is important in lyricism. Similes, metaphors, entendres, word play, punchlines, etc, all help make a verse more creative or original, but they aren’t totally necessary. You can be lyrical by having original thoughts or ideas, or being deeply introspective. I think lyricism is the more subjective of the two, because people see things differently just based off of their personal experiences or personality. An artist that displays great lyricism is Common in the song “The Believer”.

-Rapgenius

[classthe_king]

Okay so what the fuck then? The definition of 'lyricist' does not correspond with 'lyric'. according to google's definition of the word "lyricist" the words must have emotional and beautiful expression. While a lyric is simply a singular word. So although wiki states in the first line that "The writer of lyrics is a lyricist or lyrist", google says otherwise.

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A lyric are the words themselves. A lyricist is the one who wrote the words. Lyricism is how good the lyricist is at writing lyrics. Not that hard.

Even google says for lyric: "Expressing the writer's emotions, usually briefly and in stanzas"


That's actually a great post King Lance